legal - Unresolved Namess Sale -

[planoali]

Ok just got done reading through most of this (don't have the time to read it all, have to study for a calculus test in the morning). I don't remember buying any names from '9mm' and just checked my TR on namepros and didn't see his name anywhere. I think the only way I'm tied into this is that I bought some LLLL.com's from dnou who had originally bought them from 9mm. Not sure if they were stolen or what not but don't believe dnou did anything wrong. I bought the names via this topic at namepros:

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for...0-each-below-llll-com.html?highlight=hjxe.com

I believe I bought the last 17 and paid with paypal. I have resold some of these names at tdnam and most of them to the same buyer who seems legit as far as I know. I'd be willing to give out the buyers info if there is any evidence that points to him. Otherwise I prefer not to get him involved since he didn't do anything wrong.

Need to make a correction, dnou joined last march and may be innocent but for sure he then sold all those LLLL to 9mm and his partner Ali !


So dnou is potentially not involved if he can confirm selling them to Ali and 9MM. If we see those names for sale again though it IS 9MM and his partner.




What I know on Ali/Plano is he has a name LLL .net that went from 9MM to him recently , bought up a bunch of LLLL's, is located where 9MM says he has a partner. So it is wrong place wrong time or he is connected to 9MM. Not 100% on this yet. The David Williams name is funny though and may or may not be a mask.

The only LLL.net I have is one that I bought via sedo.com and I can prove that if necessary. I did buy a bunch of LLLL.com's but so did many others.

My only connect for sure is he has to say he bought several LLLL off dnou . dnou's connection is buying from 9MM . There is also inconsistent whois and to be frank is the reason for alert, why do people do this ?

Maybe Dnou can say HOW he paid 9MM ! and Planoali how he paid dnou ?

Where is there inconsistent whois? I'm pretty sure all mine are correct, not sure which names your talking about. Also I'm pretty sure I paid via paypal to dnou.

Ya, I am sitting here thinking, if dnou is 110% innocent that means Ali would be as well. There are still things I find curious, like him being where 9MM said he had a partner. He only joined np's in June 07 apart from trades its still just 9 months . He bought all his LLLL from a guy who dealt with 9MM that uses inconsistent whois. Alot fo hhhmmm factors but maybe I am wrong. The David Williams thing is very weird though. This guy has partners, 16 or not he is alot of places.

I didn't buy all my LLLL.com's from dnou. In fact only a VERY small percentage of my LLLL.com's came from him. So 9mm has a partner in plano, texas? It's not that small of a town (69th biggest in US). I'm really confused here.


I haven't done anything wrong and don't even believe I have ever dealt with 9mm. I'm willing to provide whatever info I may have although I don't think I have any info that may help since I never dealt with '9mm'.





Also a big thanks to Eg.Domains and pcpro for alerting me about this topic.

 

[calif.bob]

I haven't done anything wrong and don't even believe I have ever dealt with 9mm. I'm willing to provide whatever info I may have although I don't think I have any info that may help since I never dealt with '9mm'.

Ali, I believe that you were just an innocent victim of circumstance in this and that you in fact have not done anything wrong.

At this time, I don't see the true connection between 9MM and Plano at this time. His reach was broad, but now it seems to have shrivveled up - at least for the moment.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that he is still reading these postings - obviously under a different SN.



I appreciate you taking the time to check your transaction info as well.

 

[spidergoat]

In JP's post from alecp, alecp mentions he sold frikkle.com to 9mm.

Well, just noticed there is a frikkle (profile says 16 years old - sound familiar?) lurking on this thread right now ...

 

[EG.domains]

In JP's post from alecp, alecp mentions he sold frikkle.com to 9mm.

Well, just noticed there is a frikkle (profile says 16 years old - sound familiar?) lurking on this thread right now ...

He delivered his post thru JP already. i think he can't post because he doesn't have DNF membership yet.

I was contacted by alecp.com . Alec was mention earlier on as a possible connection to 9MM . He has asked me to post the following in his defence. He has every right to defend himself so here it is. As you will notice it was a matter of wrong whois ( not updating ) that gave the appearence something was arry, he assures me it is just a mistake with whois.

Hello.

I stumbled across the following thread:

http://www.dnforum.com/post465-post-1401685.html

I am indeed a domainer, and I am indeed 16 years old, however, I am not at all affiliated with Patrick Norman or 9MM.

I have, however, sold and traded domain names to Patrick.

I believe I initially bought VDYZ.com and UWKZ.com from him while he was a member of NamePros, and I later made the following deal with him on DigitalPoint:

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=652767

In this, I traded several of my 4 letter .com domains and 3 letter .in domains (plus a miscellany of other domains) to him in return for a ccc.com: j8l.com

There are a few other domains I traded to him for the ccc.com that are not listed, such as ifpy.com, yhhi.com, frikkle.com, and pastetext.com (Those are the first few that come to mind; I can check if there are others.)

It appears that he has not bothered to update the WHOIS information since the trades; I have not really bothered to check, nor have I been in contact with him to tell him to update the WHOIS information. What the new owner of any domain does is not really my business nor my responsibility.

The above paragraph is why it looked like Alec owned names that belonged to 9MM

Best Regards,
Alec

 

[thejosh]

In JP's post from alecp, alecp mentions he sold frikkle.com to 9mm.

Well, just noticed there is a frikkle (profile says 16 years old - sound familiar?) lurking on this thread right now ...

Can we get a mod to run an IP check?

 

[domain newbie]

I want to give everybody an update on my end

fbi/authorities - Got a hold of the toronto police's fraud unit and supply them with all relevalent info. The operator have directly related the case to an investigator. Still waiting to hear back from the fbi.

$5k from ehsan mapour - still haven't received it yet. just talked to him earlier and he said he will return it tomorrow.

good job, i'm pretty sure ehsan mapour is involved too, there is absolutely no way someone would send me muny without my involvement and agreement to it

pinut laundry

 

[tonyfloyd]

frikkle now gone....doesnt seem to be lurking anymore....hhhmm....

 

[TheLegendaryJP]

:sigh2:

I know. What needs to happen now is a clamp down on everyones business practices. ALOT of losey goosey stuff I see going on. Not with bad intentions but no due diligence and accepting very odd requests in order to obtain domains.

 

[Restecpa]

I also purchased ebay items for 9MM in exchange for domains as he did not have a paypal account and wanted certain ebay items. Following is the address he used to have the ebay items posted to:

Patrick Norman
171 Pine Apt 3
Sudbury ON P3C1X2
Canada

Now this is worth gold I doubt he would give false shipping info... otherwise what's the point in ordering anything. And while it might not be him personally, it still is a good lead.
The circle seems to be closing in on him... and it's closing faster than he would like :lol:

 

[tekz999]

We are making this part of history!
This has to be one of the biggest flame war on the dnf!
610 replies and 17,025 views!

 

[VTEC]

We are making this part of history!
This has to be one of the biggest flame war on the dnf!
610 replies and 17,025 views!

9MM you are famous :roll:

 

[Restecpa]

He's famous alright...

And these tags ought to make great news titles... :lol:

1337 n00b h4x0r , 16 years old , 9mm gets f*cked(.com) , 9mm out of bullets , 9mm peter , bloodclot p*ssyclot 9mm , canadian scammer , domain theft unravels , fbi , foolish kid , huge dildo store , pornos.com , scam , scam of the year , stains in his underwear , thieves , ticks on dicks , un-bloody-believable , wanker?

 

[draggar]

:sigh2:

I know. What needs to happen now is a clamp down on everyones business practices. ALOT of losey goosey stuff I see going on. Not with bad intentions but no due diligence and accepting very odd requests in order to obtain domains.

We (as a community / industry) need to start doing monitoring and policing ourselves or else people like senator Snowe will try to do it for us.

Oh, wait, she already is.

We still have time to help fix the industry. It will never be 100% but things like what is going on in this thread will help.

 

[PRED]

we need closure
the guys that lost money need it back and 9mm and accomplices need to be brought to justice

i have a feeling the thread will only end with 9mm's mugshot :yes:

in the meantime, here's one i prepared earlier :smilewinkgrin:

there's hope for you yet 9mm on the upside, look how well Bill turned out :-#:
was 'Microsoft Legal' working for you then? :smilewinkgrin:

 

[draggar]

You made a rex X in a white box, how original, Predator. :lol::smilewinkgrin::cheeky:

 

[PRED]

You made a rex X in a white box, how original, Predator. :lol::smilewinkgrin::cheeky:

think you gotta typo in there

can you not see the image?

try this

if not, probs your end biatch :smilewinkgrin::-#:

 

[draggar]

I see the jpg but not the png.

That pic is a classic. Love the clothes.

 

[PRED]

lol
yeah, it was just a minor motoring offence i think, still, Bill's cheesy grin tells us he knew somethink no-one else knew back then

Guess what? He was right, about as right as you can get :yes:

 

[sashas]

Guys, just one thing while the blame gun is pointed to several other members: many times when you buy lower value names, its pretty common to forget about updating the whois. I just checked some of my domains and sure enough, some lower value names didn't have the updated whois.

 

[katherine]

i have a feeling the thread will only end with 9mm's (mug)shot :yes:

I corrected your sentence

Anybody in the Sudbury area could pay a visit to the shipping address we've got ?
It could be a maildrop though.
But the money can definitely be traced to bank accounts.