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Another Crappy Logo?

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That's not a logo, that's an illustration.

A logo is small, simple, and is made so it looks good and recognizable when severely reduced. It's usually just the type and a small bit of simple art... look at the top logos in the world (Playboy, Marlboro, Microsoft, Apple, GM, etc) and restart the process from there.
 
logo should just be letters, simplicity is what works best. When I get back from work tonight.. ill see if i have free time to design you something.
 
That's not a logo, that's an illustration.

ditto. it's more like a graphic than a logo.

There are free logo maker programs which make nice simpe logos in seconds.
 
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I got rid of them awhile ago, they sucked too.

Hope Thx, it can be just the letters HCF too. Maybe a mountain behind it or something? I dont know, I seriously am thinking about just saying screw it I'm that frustrated.
 
The biggest issue is this,

how will the logo look when used in actual or varying sizes?

I can tell you right now in a glance that reduced down, you and others will have a very difficult time reading what it says.

So for that reason and that reason alone, it fails.
 
I think the other problem is the domain is so long.
 
I think the other problem is the domain is so long.
That is what you have to work with.

Design the logo around the domain. Don't design the domain to fit the logo (artwork) you've done. That's too constraining and limiting.
 
Easier said then done, I've tried myself numerous times (I'm no designer) and have hired out 3 times now, still have no logo worth keeping. Like I said, I'm just fed up. I'm actually ready to get a new domain (shorter) and just change the name and forward whatever links I have to the new one. Thats how frustrated I am with this. Sadly, ATV.com is taken and way outta my budget even if it were for sale.
 
I got rid of them awhile ago, they sucked too.

Hope Thx, it can be just the letters HCF too. Maybe a mountain behind it or something? I dont know, I seriously am thinking about just saying screw it I'm that frustrated.


A mountain is a classic logo symbol, go with that. My sister ran a small blog last year Hillaholics.com I probably checked out your domain at some point, ended up buying bushwalkingforum.com still have it if you want it for free.

EDIT: just noticed it's an ATV site not about walking ;)
 
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Hint: hire a professional, not a kid doing part time "design" on a pirate copy of Photoshop.
 
Acro, I hired professionals. 3 times now. I wont bring their name up because I accepted the logo but only because they took forever to do a simple revision, then another, then another, just got tired of trying to explain to them what I wanted only to get back something completely different. I know theres a great logo somewhere in someones creativity but as of yet it just hasnt surfaced and I'm just fed up with it all. But... I really do need that "kick ass" logo for my site to help it stand out from the comp and for stickers/tshirts etc. I'll probably just wait a few more months then try someone else. Maybe even you (:
 
I will speak for myself...a professional is someone who trains and studies his craft. It is not the software or capability to create something that makes someone call themselves a professional. Before getting into medicine, I was in advertising. I was a designer and illustrator who worked my way up to art director and creative director. I had studied in college for 5 years, was teaching college level classes, and had won numerous awards.

Unfortunately for me, computers were not part of the design ciricullum at the time (early to mid 80's). As they became more integrated into design and advertising, seemed we had to outsource our work to a handful of experts in the nation. I had the sense and the knowledge of art, design, composition, graphics from a mechanical point of view (doing it all by hand - painting, drawing, sketching, layout, storyboards) rather than an electronic point of view. No art software was available. It was still all done within the basic framework of a computer.

I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but software teaches you how to use the software. It does not replace an education in art, design, typography, composition, theory, history, etc.

So yes, it is essential to use the tools and know how to use the tools. But having art software does not make an artist.

And before anyone speaks up, these little logos in my siggy are something I knock out in a matter of minutes so I can have a visual library for domains. I am my only client and I am easy to please. And no, I am not doing them for anyone else simply because I do not want to spend hours going back and forth doing comps for something that someone wants to pay 25 bucks for. I am simply not into making 4-5 dollars an hour working for someone else.

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Speaking of which, does anyone know any good, great, best tutorials on computer graphics?

Here's the issue.

I have been approached by two authors to illustrate children's books.

I love the ideas, the stories, the concepts, and think the books would do very well.

Before I spend a fortune on software, time, and study to learn new software, my first inclination is this...

design and paint the illustrations by hand.

Then I will not only have the original artwork but I can scan it and keep it on file to fit the book's sizes and formats.

I have not said no and have not said yes to the projects. The authors will commit to me if I commit to them. In other words, both are slated to be not one but a series of childrens books. One author already has enough for about 15 books around the same character.

I would most likely do these illustrations in a combination of watercolor and gouache.

But if there is some real nifty software out there with good tutorials, I'll be glad to take a look. I alread have Jasc PaintShop Pro and a couple of others (canvas, CS3) but have never learned to use them.
 
Just go to 99designs and place your logo campaign over there, and then ask your member go for vote. Benefit of this crowdsourcing your logo doesn't need to care about the submitter are professional or beginner, as far as your logo is acceptable by your members.
 
Why not use HFC but with a bike climbing them ( the letters, half way up the H or on top with the front and back wheels digging in a bit causing the letters to be of center?
 
Why all the worry about a logo? A nice logo will not help you make any extra money imo, and as Adam said, you will never get consensus anyway on what is a good logo.

I would go with a simple and free logo and worry more about doing SEO.

When I make a site the logo is one of the least important items worked on. I have never paid for a logo and never will, my logos are all basic and made in-house with an easy graphics program or using a free online logo maker program.
 
HasRob,

I have been having a lot of problems trying to find the right person to do logo's and banners for me.


I hired logocat.com to do some work for me....i will let you know how i find the results when they are finished.
 
Speaking of which, does anyone know any good, great, best tutorials on computer graphics?

http://www.cooljeba.com/ used to be good, looks like his site is half upgraded though

I paid $250 to logotournament.com and had 120 logos made.

The best way to get the logo you want is find a website with the style you like, and tell the artist to do a similar style.
 
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