closed .com .com Russian Idn's.

[Rubber Duck]

typos also sold for even 65,000$ ... and there are bad typos like doname-name.com

but miniclip.com is a good typo for miniclips.com

typos are not that bad man!

imagine some one paid for dawnload.com 65,000 while line.com went for 60,000$

also there are some bad idn and good idn

arabic idns are bad because you write arabic from right to left then switch to write .com from left to right

spanish and french idns are great because it has similarities with english letters

To compare IDN with Typos is to totally miss the point. IDN are the real deal. They are primarily aimed at the Markets of Asia. They have no relevance to the domestic US market, just as English has no real relevance to the domestic markets of Japan, Russia, India or China!

Good IDN will be worth infinitely more than Typos, primarily because they will get a hell of lot more traffic than Typos.

As resurgent economies of India, Russia and China bear down the current dominant position of the US, then the importance of these domains will become obvious. The Chinese buy 100M Mobile Phones a year. How many do the Yanks buy? Who buys the most computers, cars etc. How many people in China will need to get laid?

This is all about Internet Marketing and Retailing. You have to try to travel the world in you mind and see it from the potential buyer's perspective. You also need to understand the profound difference between having a few phrases of English and it being a mother tongue!

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[maxo]

I would like to say a few words regarding the topic.

I have to say that the domains like: гадания.com and сонник.com do not have much value. I would say it is not even worth the registration fee. Actually if anyone is familiar with Russian language they should know that to type: сонник.com one should switch the keyboard layout to Russian so they can type "сонник" and then switch it back to english to type ".com", which rarely happens. In addition to that, as you all probably know IDN domains requires specific software to be installed in the system, so it can resolve.

IDN Russian domains are not popular at all in Russia, the outcome is based on the marketing research I carried out 5 months ago regarding Russian market.

 

[Rubber Duck]

I would like to say a few words regarding the topic.

I have to say that the domains like: гадания.com and сонник.com do not have much value. I would say it is not even worth the registration fee. Actually if anyone is familiar with Russian language they should know that to type: сонник.com one should switch the keyboard layout to Russian so they can type "сонник" and then switch it back to english to type ".com", which rarely happens. In addition to that, as you all probably know IDN domains requires specific software to be installed in the system, so it can resolve.

IDN Russian domains are not popular at all in Russia, the outcome is based on the marketing research I carried out 5 months ago regarding Russian market.

The argument regarding switching characters is illogical because they have to switch in and out to do Latin character domains anyway. The fact that they are switching at a different point is not very significant. Soon this will not be necessary as dot com and dot ru will be aliased, so using Latin Characters will no longer be necessary.

Value is a mute point. It depends whether anyone wants to buy it or not and how much they are prepared to pay. Latin domains have no value in regard to search position for Russian Pages, whereas IDN will if they do not have already. Eventually, it will be necessary to go IDN if you want search ranking. Of course not everybody yet appreciates that.

Your research at the time was probably sound, but as Harold Wilson once famously said " A week is a long time in politics".

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[touchring]

I would like to say a few words regarding the topic.

I have to say that the domains like: гадания.com and сонник.com do not have much value. I would say it is not even worth the registration fee. Actually if anyone is familiar with Russian language they should know that to type: сонник.com one should switch the keyboard layout to Russian so they can type "сонник" and then switch it back to english to type ".com", which rarely happens. In addition to that, as you all probably know IDN domains requires specific software to be installed in the system, so it can resolve.

IDN Russian domains are not popular at all in Russia, the outcome is based on the marketing research I carried out 5 months ago regarding Russian market.

I think there's no question that idns will become popular in the matter of time in countries where English isn't the primary business language. Also, the .com issue might be address in the future when Icann (as pointed out by Dave) allows idn.idn - which in my opinion is a natural progression.

 

[Rubber Duck]

I think there's no question that idns will become popular in the matter of time in countries where English isn't the business language. Also, the .com issue might be address in the future when icann allows idn.idn - which in my opinion is a natural progression.

Yes, I think there is a lot confusion over what people mean by Business Language. What we are not interested in here is the language that heads of large organisations use to communicate with one another.

What we need to know is what is the medium of exchange. The language that is used in the street market or bazaar is the same that will be adopted online. Online commerce is about mass retailing to lower middle and upper working classes.

The numbers at the top of the food chain are too limited to be of interest and those at the other end too poor to get online. Retailing is switching from the Mail to the Internet. Who is shopping in the Mail and who would otherwise be doing it with the next 5 years. How do we get them off Main Street and into Online Stores?

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[Sarcle]

I would like to say a few words regarding the topic.

I have to say that the domains like: гадания.com and сонник.com do not have much value. I would say it is not even worth the registration fee. Actually if anyone is familiar with Russian language they should know that to type: сонник.com one should switch the keyboard layout to Russian so they can type "сонник" and then switch it back to english to type ".com", which rarely happens. In addition to that, as you all probably know IDN domains requires specific software to be installed in the system, so it can resolve.

IDN Russian domains are not popular at all in Russia, the outcome is based on the marketing research I carried out 5 months ago regarding Russian market.

Thanks maxo, we really do appreciate any feedback. But about the specific software needed to resolve is not true. Firefox they resolve, and soon to be released IE7 they will also. They resolve in punycode in ie6 now but that isn't user friendly.

Although it seems some of the larger investors are already moving in!

 

[maxo]

The argument regarding switching characters is illogical because they have to switch in and out to do Latin character domains anyway. The fact that they are switching at a different point is not very significant.

I can not really agree with that. From my point of view it is pretty logical, because they have to change the keyboard layout twice to type Russian IDN. As for my research, I do indeed agree that it is not up-to-date, but it was based on 30,000 domains which was 10% of the whole domain population in Russia, which makes me think that it was some what approximate to the real situation on the market. Also I have to say that the number of .com domain registration in Russia was around 23,000 if I am not mistaken, which also makes me think that IDN .com domains won't be that popular in Russian market in the future as well.

Thanks maxo, we really do appreciate any feedback. But about the specific software needed to resolve is not true. Firefox they resolve, and soon to be released IE7 they will also. They resolve in punycode in ie6 now but that isn't user friendly.

Although it seems some of the larger investors are already moving in!

Sarcle, I have to say you are totally right regarding FireFox, but it did not for IE at least.

As for the investors I do not know about that It's hard to predict if IDN in Russian market will be popular as far as it depends on the anticipated market demand

 

[Rubber Duck]

Yes, but they have to change twice anyway. They start in Russian, and need to go back to Russian at the end!

 

[Sarcle]

It's hard to predict if IDN in Russian market will be popular as far as it depends on the anticipated market demand

Well say for instance this domain here.

рассказы.com It has recieved 4 hits today all from europe. and .20 cents. revenue Not bad for as you say no-one being able to type it and it's not listed in google?

I think your commission while it may have been sound, misunderestimated a country the searches and type's in russian, yet has english domains and their ability to switch between modes.

 

[maxo]

Sarcle,

What about сонник.com and гадания.com? Do they also receive traffic?

What I want to say is that I think сонник.ком (ком=com in Russian) IDN would be far popular than generic TLD Russian IDN.

 

[Rubber Duck]

Yes, but Russia is working with ICANN on the incorporation of IDN aliases in the root. As I understand it a final decision on this will be made in January.

It would seem likely that "ком" will map to "com". Once this is up and running then the problems should be resolved, but if someone else has tagged your domain then it won't matter anyway.

I would think that Verisign would want to use ".ком" and probably have the clout to secure it. If not then some other Alias which over time will become even more synomous with dot com will be adopted.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[Sarcle]

Sarcle,

What about сонник.com and гадания.com? Do they also receive traffic?

What I want to say is that I think сонник.ком (ком=com in Russian) IDN would be far popular than generic TLD Russian IDN.

I normally wouldn't do this but there seem's to be a lot of confusion as to whether people type these in or not.

See for yourself. Notice they are all from russia. They are two days worth of stats. And yes .ком would be far more popular, but the root alias will be determined by icann and when that is settled you can expect these numbers to friggin' fly off the charts. :cheeky:


сонник.com stats

гадания.com stats

 

[maxo]

I was not able to check the stats, seems my internet connection is dying

What about the CTR with those Russian IDN domains? As far as I know CPC is not that well developed in Russia, which means no local ads are displayed, which makes me think of lower CTR.

 

[Sarcle]

What about the CTR with those Russian IDN domains? As far as I know CPC is not that well developed in Russia, which means no local ads are displayed, which makes me think of lower CTR.

While the CTR is noticable lower on certain domains, the advertisers are only a matter of steps behind. In case you haven't read the news lately Microsoft, Yahoo, and Google are all revamping their advertising methods to include the rest of the world. Seems they realized that they can make more money including the rest of the world. :cheeky:

I personally feel better knowing I have secured a good name first then the wait and see method. Usually works out better that way.

 

[Rubber Duck]

I was not able to check the stats, seems my internet connection is dying

What about the CTR with those Russian IDN domains? As far as I know CPC is not that well developed in Russia, which means no local ads are displayed, which makes me think of lower CTR.

Yes, I think we need to remember here that Russia in common with most Asian Internet markets is a long way behind the US. When the best dot coms were registered back in 1995, Google did not exist, there were no PPC programmes, you couldn't check domains at Overture and nobody really associated domains with investment. Look how things have changed!

The point is that the wheel does not need to be reinvented. Everybody knows that as the Russian Economy develops, Russian domains will be valuable. The development of Russian PPC using Cyrillic Keywords is inevitable. Search in Russia is already predominantly in the local script.

IDN is a no brainer, as only IDN domains will provide Search Ranking, although I am not sure that URLs in search engines are yet converting to the Cyrillic Characters. Of course this will happen just as it has in Japan and China over the last couple of months.

Of course there are question marks about the relative importance of gTLD and ccTLD as there are in every market. They alway co-exists. Sometimes the ccTLD is very important, sometimes not. With the size of the Russian Population and economic expansion, there will be room for more than one extension. Just look at the US, where there are 7 or 8 are in common usage. There will be a place for dot com, but whether it will be bigger than dot ru only time will tell.

The fact that dot com is already well established in the IDN market will also give it a good head start over dot ru.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

While the CTR is noticable lower on certain domains, the advertisers are only a matter of steps behind. In case you haven't read the news lately Microsoft, Yahoo, and Google are all revamping their advertising methods to include the rest of the world. Seems they realized that they can make more money including the rest of the world. :cheeky:

I personally feel better knowing I have secured a good name first then the wait and see method. Usually works out better that way.

I agree monitoring domains that you don't own is a futile exercise. If they cost $8 for a year and you end up dumping 50% that is $16 to acquire road-tested domains. I think my time is worth that!

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon