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closed ((((((( DropLists.com ))))))) End-user value vs. speculator price range

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It's good to see that there continues to be strong and growing competition in the market for expired domain names.

It's interesting that people like DeletedDomains.com have been able to switch to charging real money for droplists and similar services (yes, i do consider US$9.99 per week per user to be real money, even with the steep long term discounts). It's even more interesting that they have been able to do this for quite some time now, despite the fact that there are many other services continuing to provide drop lists free of charge.

When i talk about the droplist market, I also include the 'little-guy' market - the people who are happier to pay $119.80 for registering 20 good names the day after they drop, rather than pay $120 for two possibly better names at places like SnapNames the day before (and the latter price assumes they are extremely lucky not to have competitors for those names). I think people in the know elsewhere in this forum have suggested that what i have termed the 'little guy' market above is significantly more than 50% in terms of domain name volume.

Droplists seem to be one of these services where it's very difficult to know that you are getting the real thing. How do you know whether the drop lists contain ALL the names that are being dropped from the Zone that day. Yes, you can subscribe to many different services and compare the length of the lists. Problem is, different services cannot even agree on how many names expire on any given day. Among the 15,000 - 30,000 domain names that are dropped into the pool of available names each day, you don't know whether the droplist provided by one service is shorter than it's direct competitor's droplist because they have access to fewer sources or because they register the really valuable names before they send the list out.

Similarly, what about speed? How do you know that you are not paying good money to a shady dealer who has subscribed to a good service and after registering the good domains distributes a list of the remaining names to his own subscribers.

Such questions can only be answered if somebody (for instance a dedicated service called DropLists.com) could afford to follow all available lists day in day out, and separate the wheat from the chaff.

You don't have to be very imaginative to see the possibilities. But then I'm always an optimist, so I'm sure there are many factors on the downside (but hopefully also some on the upside that i may not have thought about).

The good thing is, many of the people who have informed opinions probably visit this forum.

So what do you guys think? How much is DropLists.com worth to a speculator and how much to an end user (ball park indications are OK)?
 

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End user: low-mid $xxx,xxx




VERY nice domain
 

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An early clarification for those who are new to this market: just because a name has expired, it doesn't mean it will drop - i.e. that it will become available to the public for re-registration - registrars are required by law to wait a rather long time before they drop a name; this is to give time to the existing owners to notice that their name is not working anymore and renew it themselves during the so called redemption period; indeed some of the biggest registrars like Network Solutions and GoDaddy don't even charge a premium for renewing a name after it expires - which is how i usually renew names with them myself. If anyone were following such names hoping to re-register them just because they have expired, they are wasting their time.

This is why the real attention is not focused on lists of expiring names (a hefty portion of which are never going to be available to the public, and there is no way to know which names these are at the time of expiration) but on the lists of names scheduled to be dropped.

Instead of using rather long names along the lines of "lists of domain names that have expired a couple of months earlier and have not been renewed by the existing owners during the compulsory redemption period and have gone through the five day waiting period thereafter" or words to that effect, people in the industry typically refer to "drop lists".

In fact one of the platinum categories in this very forum (which i guess is THE forum for domain names) is called "DropLists"
 

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it's a very descriptive domain for a specific service.

however, this type of service is used mainly by resellers.

therefore, the enduser potential is very low imo

as a developed site, what you can offer that other don't?

my opinion would be $600.00 minimum reseller, for domain only

of course if there's traffic, then value is higher!

but it's a buyers market.....who knows
 

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Duncan said:
End user: low-mid $xxx,xxx


No way....

$1000-$4000

There is no way you will get 6 figures for this domains...its very nice but nowhere near tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars
 

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End User GT what do you think DeletedDomains is worth? 4000?
 

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Deleted Domains is an entire website...if the domain were not developed DeletedDomains.com wouldn't be worth more than $4000 either - remember how much value a website can add to a domain...right now DropLists.com is just the domain and not worth anything near $xxx,xxx
 

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Thats why I said end user, like if he created a site like DeletedDomains, sorry for not making myself more clear, but the domain is perfect for a site like that. Might want to pick up the singular version as well
 

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The "s" at the end kills it. generally your best off developing it. I own **.com , .net and ***.net !

Not a REAL market out there buying these domains! There isn't many who want to develop them like other sites! I recommend developing it.

Current value is High $xxx to very low $x,xxx IMO .
 

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$2k max to an existing droplist/catchdrop player, like Pool.com
 

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Reseller : US$450 to US$650

End user: Can not appraisal. (Very niche market)

Good luck !

toho
 

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I say develop it..partner with someone if you have to.

Hey Biggie
"but it's a buyers market.....who knows"

I would not call this a buyers market...
 

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Back in the days when there were no Pool/SnapNames/eNom dropcatchers, the drop list provided valuable information. With the current market, only few people can afford the top names; For the lesser names, it takes alot of work just to find a decent name.

Probably alot of people stopped using droplist already.

Probably 2K ish .. if even that.
 
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