IDN Domains 4 years in - What's their true fate?

[bwhhisc]

I think idn.idn will make idn.com,net,etc almost useless. I am not versed in IDN's but if a user has to switch the settings for their keyboard to type .com it seems an idn version of .com,net,etc would be preferred.

Read the Verisign report from last month (link in this thread). .com and .net will most likely be aliased to .com (idn) and .net (idn) in most non latin languages where transliteration is possible.

If you have followed the ICANN/GNSO/GAC documents, there is an agreement that neither idn.idn, or Verisign's idn.com(idn), or idn.net(idn) would be launched ahead of the other to gain an unfair advantage. Most native domainers in China and Japan are very bullish on idn.com, and equally as bullish on idn.cn, and idn.jp.

 

[phio]

Looks like it's going to make an interesting second half of 2009 for idns.
One thing I have noticed is that they are becoming more friendly to the top 3 search engines, so I am very happy about that. My portfolio is diversified so my biggest traffic gainer during the 1st quarter of 2009 has been thai domains. Russian is still several lengths ahead of the pack, but the race is definately on.

 

[memmst]

http://www.markmonitor.com/mmblog/?p=62
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20090324_planning_for_internationalized_top_level_domains/

By now, most companies have begun the process to understand how the introduction of new gTLDs (Generic Top-Level Domains) will impact their respective businesses. Some companies are considering submitting applications to operate their own branded gTLDs. Many others are focused on how to address the anticipated launch of new gTLDs defensively, in terms of application objection filing and responding to abuse when the new extensions begin appearing in the root. Of course, we are optimistic that new policies will be adopted by ICANN to mitigate risks of brand abuse in the new gTLDs, based on ICANN's recent creation of the IRT (Implementation Recommendation Team) which will work to develop and propose solutions to the overarching issue of trademark protection.

Along with the introduction of new gTLDs however, internationalized versions (IDNs) of .com and .net are expected. There is also a fast-track process underway to introduce a limited set of IDN ccTLDs (Country-Code Top-Level Domains). Because most of the focus to date has been on placed on Community-Based extensions and Open extensions, many companies are not yet fully aware of how these new IDN TLDs will also impact their current approach to registering, managing and monitoring domains.

Currently, all existing gTLDs allow for the registration of non-native character sets to the left of the dot (숭문.net or 中国首饰.com), but with the introduction of IDN TLDs, registrations containing the translation of .com or .net will also be possible (태영산업.회사 or海尔.康姆).

Clearly, this has the potential to exponentially increase the size of corporate domain portfolios and the potential for abuse, especially as world markets expand in size and in importance. Fortunately, VeriSign has recently socialized an idea that would protect the rights of existing .com and .net domain owners by providing them exclusive rights to register existing domains across all newly introduced .com and .net IDN TLDs.
Although a formal commitment has not yet been made by VeriSign to support this approach, this may now be the time to begin evaluating the registration of brands in .com and .net using native character sets to support important markets. In particular, companies should consider registering translations, transliterations, and transcriptions of their famous marks now to support current and planned global marketing efforts. By doing so, owners of these domains could potentially have exclusive rights to register in matching .com and .net IDN TLDs, when they become available.
We are hopeful that VeriSign will adopt this policy when they submit their applications for the internationalized versions of .com and .net, and that others who also intend to offer internationalized TLDs and ccTLDs will follow suit as well.

 

[A D]

I can tell you I have renewed my IDN's for another year.

Bring on Q4 2009!

-=DCG=-

 

[Gerry]

I can tell you I have renewed my IDN's for another year.

Bring on Q4 2009!

-=DCG=-

I've renewed mine as well with the exception of identical nets.

 

[Wot]

My personal preference is for IDN.cn some of which have had x,xxx offers and in one case xx,xxx - not in selling mode yet, more consolidation and in some cases development- see my sig.

 

[memmst]

I can tell you I have renewed my IDN's for another year.

Bring on Q4 2009!

-=DCG=-

You made the right choice.
Chuck Gomes, GNSO Chair / Vice President of Policy and Compliance for VeriSign replying to Attorney Mike Rodenbaugh:

Mike,

Let me use our own plans for IDN versions of .com and .net as an
example. Our current plans that we have communicated to our customers
and others is as follows:
Second level registrants for any .com or .net domain names will have the
right to activate their second-level name for any IDN versions of the
corresponding .com or .net name and no one else will be allowed to do
that.
All second level registrations for IDN versions of .com or .net will be
associated with their corresponding ASCII .com or .net as applicable.
In essence, the result will be that all active second level domain names
for .com or .net (ASCII or IDN) will have the same registrant. For any
that are not activated, they will be unavailable to others.
I don't think there should be any user confusion in the DNS in this
approach. Do you?

Chuck

http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-idng/msg00223.html

 

[tekz999]

Will this finally be the rise of IDNs? I have been holding to them for these past damn 4 years, and every year I kept asking myself, when the heck will I sell them for a million each? Maybe now finally I am seeing, some sheds of light.

 

[bwhhisc]

I kept asking myself, when the heck will I sell them for a million each?

A few have finally made it to the xxx,xxx mark, so that may happen sooner than you think.
If you don't mind sharing, what are your best IDN name or two and well tell you what your chances are.

 

[Gerry]

What is the planned roll-out as to which languages, first, etc.

I saw something pertaining to this quite some time ago but if was not official then.

Perhaps someone can point out some update links.

 

[Sarcle]

What is the planned roll-out as to which languages, first, etc.

I saw something pertaining to this quite some time ago but if was not official then.

Perhaps someone can point out some update links.

We don't know for sure yet. We'll get a good idea on Dec. 9th when the GNSO meeting takes place.

http://gnso.icann.org/

 

[dn-101]

A few have finally made it to the xxx,xxx mark, so that may happen sooner than you think.

The two reported sales were MIS-reported. DNJ called it bluff :smilewinkgrin:

 

[DNWizardX9]

Don't you have to babysit your online dating site that has 700 users online atm? dn 101?

Ok n/m just kidding it is just bots

 

[bwhhisc]

The two reported sales were MIS-reported. DNJ called it bluff :smilewinkgrin:

Sorry, but you are wrong. Moscow.com (Russian IDN) sold for xxx,xxx. John Berryhill handled the deal.

I know the parties on both ends of the deal.
Do you know them? Give us a link to the DNJ "bluff" comment. lol

So, are you willing to put your MONEY where your mouth is in this case?

 

[dn-101]

John B is fully apprised of the underworld involvement :asleep:

 

[bwhhisc]

John B is fully apprised of the underworld involvement :asleep:

So, your not ready to put your money where your mouth is eh? :lol:
Didn't think so....

In the meantime here's yet "another" xxx,xxx IDN sale....in this case $ 150,000 US.
A well publicized sale, with press release by Zodiac Capital Limited in Australia.
http://www.nsxa.com.au/ftp/news/021719735.PDF

ZODIAC
Zodiac Capital Limited, ACN 126 263 170
Level 1, 275 George Street, Sydney NSW 2000 Australia
Phone +61 2 9299 9270
Fax +61 2 9299 9276
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

ZODIAC CAPITAL TO INITIATE A MAJOR GAMING PROJECT
Sydney NSW, January 14, 2008 --

Zodiac Capital Limited (ASX: ZOD) advises that it has entered into an agreement to acquire a controlling interest in the dot-com Japanese domain name for “gambling”, (“ギャンブル”, pronounced “Gyanburu”).

ギャンブル .com is an IDN (International Domain Name) Internet portal and vertical indexing directory specializing in online, mobile (cellular phone) and traditional (brick & mortar) gambling and related businesses offered in the Japanese language. ギャンブル is “gambling” as written in Kana - the most commonly used term for gambling in Japan.“Gyanburu” is the Rōmaji (anglicized) version of ギャンブル.

Under the terms of the Acquisition Agreement exchanged over the weekend, the Company will fund the final development and commercialisation of the Gyanburu domain as the premier Internet portal for the Japanese gambling industry. Details of the Agreement are as follows:
• Payments totalling $150,000 to the current owner of the domain
• Two-year funding of the business plan to a total of $450,000
• Development of a stand-alone Australian corporation to commercialise the Gyanburu domain.

Mr. S. Allan Marquardt, president of 131486 Alberta Ltd., owner of the Gyanburu domain, said “The Japanese gambling industry revenue is recognized as the largest in the world and is estimated to be in excess of US$300 Billion. With the Zodiac involvement, the Gyanburu domain could become the natural internet destination for Japanese speaking gamblers worldwide.

” About Zodiac Capital Limited: Zodiac is an aggressive investment and transaction oriented business focused on wealth creation for its shareholders. The Company’s business activities are focused on advanced development stage projects and opportunities that are suitable for future listing on recognised stock exchanges and may require further working capital, development assistance and/or management to realize their respective potential. The major Zodiac Capital investment focus is in the resource and energy market sectors; opportunities in China, the Asian Pacific region; and to a lesser degree within the financial services, communications and Internet market sectors.

 

[dn-101]

The "high end trades" in question are at the root of market manipulation.
One of the goals is that elusive "market perception", or rather, "misperception".

As a used car salesman you would know :smilewinkgrin:

 

[bwhhisc]

The "high end trades" in question are at the root of market manipulation. One of the goals is that elusive "market perception", or rather, "misperception".

C'mon big talker, put your MONEY where your mouth is or quit yapping. :lol:

And don't be shy, if you are short on cash you can put up some of your IDNs!

Your personal modus operandi on IDNs seems to be "bash em' while YOU continue to buy them." lol

 

[dn-101]

At this point Pinyin, translits amd mobis represent better investment.
And don't forget those clunkers :asleep:

 

[bwhhisc]

At this point Pinyin, translits amd mobis represent better investment. And don't forget those clunkers :asleep:

http://sedo.com/search/searchresult.php4?tracked=&partnerid=&language=us&listing_type=auctions_only

Whats that I see at SEDO today ...an IDN at 24,900 EURO with 3 hour to go.

heizöl.de 24,900 EUR 8 3h 31m

German translation- heating oil

The "high end trades" in question are at the root of market manipulation. One of the goals is that elusive "market perception", or rather, "misperception".

Oh no....another 6 Figure IDN sale today. 69,000 Euros = $101,657 U.S. dollars

dn-101...I think your idn MYTH is now BUSTED!!!!!!

I am still taking bets though, even on whether IDN moscow.com sold for xxx,xxx+ :lol:

http://okok.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/idn.png

Büromöbel.de Translation: Office Furniture

**kudos to Pred for first posting this sale and link.