my earnings is falling down

[dvdrip]

3500 domains just left sedo.
More to follow tomorrow!
Goodbye thieves.

 

[Theo]

I think you need to cool off your jets and save your steam rebutting the ...statements of Sedo reps who share the same account and disperse little info at a time.

So, the "amazing increase" in revenue was planned two weeks ago to be a yo-yo like feature? Because Sedo today told us the PPC will vary daily. Yes, so far the variation has a downwards trend; down or WAY down.

 

[David G]

Theo, you guys may be right, possibly Sedo is taking a bigger share or their stats are screwed up somehow. I am not saying you are for sure in error and Sedo is blameless. It's just that when I see someone get beat up and feel like I have an alternate explanation for it using my experience with the providers it can be discussed, even though no one here knows for sure the true facts.

Even the Sedo employees may be in the dark about what happened. They obvioulsy made an error when they said in public your earnings should improve early in the threads without waiting to see if so or not. I still feel it likely is due to the poorer performance of the Google keywords vs the old system where they somehow seem to have artificially valued keywords (likely on the high side) but now are doing it directly based on what they are paid, but again that could be wrong of course. Perhaps the Sedo employees simply assumed the actual EPC values would be better than the old method.

I do know Adsense and YPN are down considerably recently (also eported by others), but some may not see that because they may have limited numbers of domains on it, or mostly using still good keywords.

 

[Theo]

Obviously, I am not here to bash Sedo. I am here to see if Sedo will stand up to their name, admit that the announcement was a flop and amend their methodology. I was the first to congratulate them and I am the first to raise hell when they don't deliver. After all, a company that manages 5 million domains - if I am correct - will come in the spotlight more often than the quiet guy. But the bottom line is, I am not in this business for nobody's charity.

 

[wolfis.com]

what i still not uderstand is :

everytime ( and i mean every single time) one of these sedo reps tells us something , i see the complete oposite.


1) revenue will most likely increase ( well we know better ,don't we)

2) game related and music related will decrease and product keyword domains and educational domains will increase (maybe someone from sedo should look into my account and look at examples )

and then the issue with the traffic count has not been taken care off.
( sedo please don't think i am that stupid ,not to notice if something is wrong when i have domains that have a certain amount of traffic for YEARS - and then it is cut in half and then it goes back to normal then cut in half ect ..)

and of course the issue with the constant keyword changing - give me a break - several 100 of my domains parked at sedo have NEVER been optimized by SEDO's staff evenso i have countless times asked for it - however in sedo's defence i must say that the few domains in my account that i and a sedo rep spent months of fine tuning, where messed around several times by sedo's completely incompetent staff who thinks they know what they are doing.( totally screwed them up ,so that i had to change them back and those names working as they should)

so in short ,when other companies optimize or even auto optimize these 100's of domains AND pay the same or very close to the same , what does sedo offer that should make me keep the unoptimized names at sedo , especially then i have to change the keywords every few days ( which i don't have the time for it) and then have to wait to have them approved.

 

[David G]

Interesting how it's said I must be a Sedo employee and how I seem to be their only supporter at the forum since I have actually been far more critical of Sedo in the past vs praising them.

I have posted things such as I may not be buying names there anymore and been openly quite critical of some departments and employees (but not the ones who post here who I do not know) and their sometimes unfriendly attitudes and poor communications.

 

[Theo]

Nah, you can't be a Sedo employee, Dave. You're up past midnight posting here :-D

 

[fishfinger]

@Trader......you DID hijack this thread. My rev/ctr are down threads come up all the time and it is tempting to leap to the employees defence.
However you chose the wrong one to do so. I am lucky enough to have adsense but I know one year ago this would have put me out of business. We are talking about peoples income/livelihood here, it is not about who likes sedo and who doesn't.

Since you do not have a single domain parked at sedo I suggest you move along and go play zorro elsewhere. Leave this thread to those who care.

 

[domainah]

I think having domains at sedo or not is not a prerequisite for posting here, as a forum is a place where you want to inform yourself especially before you decide to use someone's service, I think you gotta allow all opinions, with regards to revenue being down, I am actually making more money now, unfortunately there are no public and reliabale stats on what percentage of sedo accounts make more or less now, but sedo has so many accounts that I would think that many accounts do make more, because if you have 100K customers or so more people than posting here should have said something, it would be great of Sedo to post an honest stat at the end of next month how many people made or or less

@Trader......you DID hijack this thread. My rev/ctr are down threads come up all the time and it is tempting to leap to the employees defence.
However you chose the wrong one to do so. I am lucky enough to have adsense but I know one year ago this would have put me out of business. We are talking about peoples income/livelihood here, it is not about who likes sedo and who doesn't.

Since you do not have a single domain parked at sedo I suggest you move along and go play zorro elsewhere. Leave this thread to those who care.

 

[Theo]

I honestly believe that there should be a third party auditing all of these figures at PPC provider level. I mean, you do trust an entity like a bank, right? But there is no regulatory body governing PPC provider payouts - there are no disclosed figures. Everything is done assuming that the PPC providers are being 100% honest.

Food for thought.

 

[Avensen]

The more this thread is being ignored by Sedo and trolled by some DNFmembers, then more often this idea bothers my mind:

What if I just send my account login and password to Google guys, and kindly ask them to check if things are all right there?

 

[Theo]

By the way, John/Brad, why wasn't there any affiliate payouts to my account yet? The current total amount for May to August is above the $50 cutout - which is also a ridiculous policy on your part, separating affiliate payouts from parking revenue.

 

[simon]

i wrote a PM to Brad Tilley here and also wrote email to his sedo email but no reply yet.
so i am wondering where those guys might be.

 

[fishfinger]

@Domainah.....A thread does have a topic you know. If Trader wants to ask things such as: Do you really have 500K views? Can you really make that much with a domain? or make what he calls an educated guess he should start a new one.

Sedocouk said he would try to answer questions, I for one was looking forward to his answers a lot more than to traders guess on why he thinks we are earning less.

@Simon...I emailed him too and got no answer, but I did receive my invite for Cologne/Maastricht so I am thinking it might just be worth the trip now...

 

[Theo]

I guess to get an answer from Sedo in the middle of the US workday would be impossible. I've only seen UK and Germany-based reps comment here and that's 5 and 6 hours ahead of US Eastern time - already at the end of the work week. Forget about weekend support.

Sedo should have a support team that covers the US better. I am sure they utilize India-based personnel for the keyword processing, I've seen some keyword changes done at times when both the US and Europe are closed for business.

What's next, logging in to "Acorn Domains" to find out about the issues and problems explained here?

 

[Fearless]

I think Sedo is likely the victim of using the most un-transparent Google feed.
The Google feed is the unstable part of the equation. If they used Overture, there would be consistency, until Overture comes out with their own "smart pricing". Slated to arrive next year.

 

[Theo]

My observations are shared among several here.

The announcement of bigger revenue doubled my income - for 48 hours.

Then, the fall was phenomenal. My biggest earners lost more than 50% of their daily revenue and dozens of other domains picked up, earning cents on the dollar. My overall revenue dropped by 25% or more after the first week. Then, in the past week revenue has hit new lows. There is no consistency. Domains make dollars one day and cents the next, for the same keyword. Sedo claims we need to re-optimize the keywords. Mine have been hand-optimized and I have SEO experience.

Sedo said that their feed "went wrong" initially and things should improve, when in fact what "went wrong" during those first 2 days was that we received a larger chunk of money than usual. Most people mentioned their revenue doubled - then it dropped lower than it was before.

Now Sedo claims that revenue will fluctuate based on other parameters daily. They say that services and entertainment will suffer and products will rise. The people here - myself included - use a broad range of keywords and the trend is to one direction: down.

I have no explanation for the lack of response by Sedo and I mean, addressing our complaints and concerns instead of the typical "optimize your keywords".

I should not have to optimize 7 days a week.

And Sedo needs to disclose figures: what % we are being given from the feed.

 

[Theo]

Example of how Sedo plans to make us "more money"

09/07/06
11 Views
3 Clicks
$0.87 $/Click
$2.62 Revenue

09/08/06
7 Views
2 Clicks
$0.05 $/Click
$0.09 Revenue

So $0.87 per click yesterday and $0.04 and $0.05 today.

I just had lunch so I am waiting for my icecream from Sedo.

 

[maroulis]

Example of how Sedo plans to make us "more money"

09/07/06
11 Views
3 Clicks
$0.87 $/Click
$2.62 Revenue

09/08/06
7 Views
2 Clicks
$0.05 $/Click
$0.09 Revenue

So $0.87 per click yesterday and $0.04 and $0.05 today.

I just had lunch so I am waiting for my icecream from Sedo.

Theo this is exactly what happened to me as well, so this "dynamic-pricing" surely can't be tamed because even IF we were prepared to tweak day by day, it takes 24h for updates on keywords to go live on system....

plain BS, I've never seen this kind of arbitrage and AdWords doesn't change CPC pricing so dramatically in real-time...

 

[Theo]

I think our clicks now pay for Sedo's choice of India-based support. I've seen some keywords update in 8 hours or so. Sometimes perfectly valid keywords get rejected, due to the person in New Delhi or Benghal not being knowledgeable about certain usage of American English; in this case re-submit. Another Punjabi will accept it.