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nice domain,
a bit expensive for my pocket though!
 

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cogeek said:
nice domain,
a bit expensive for my pocket though!

But just the right price for a .net registry suitor :wink:
 

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cogeek said:
nice domain,
a bit expensive for my pocket though!

Well netfix.net is up for auction at Sedo, and I don't expect it to make anything like that!
 

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lol not even close to $001,500 ;)
 

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Bashar said:
lol not even close to $001,500 ;)

Well I will let you know, along with how I get on eventually with my single letter Arabic IDNs that you also scorned!
 

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i dont believe in IDNs personally otherwise i would got em all back then ;)
 

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Bashar said:
i dont believe in IDNs personally otherwise i would got em all back then ;)

I know that and your entitled to your point of view, but I believe history will prove you wrong. They are already taking off in the far east. Indeed, I already have one that features on Alexa. IDN traffic is a reality. Just because the Arabic Internet is current still stuck in the 14th century doesn't mean that it won't happen. I have spent many years working in Algeria and Libya. These people are not fools. The system often prevents them prospering, but the internet will give them the means to circumvent the system. These people are natural born traders, but they have their own culture and IDNs give them the possibility of fully expressing that culture. IDNs are coming. In local cultures their importance will lay waste to the dominance of Anglo-Saxon culture, and although that is my culture (you can probably tell I am enjoying a glass of wine), I believe it is no bad thing. It is clear that dominating others cultures doesn't alway make you friends. And everybody needs friends.

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IDNs have value, but question is how much ... for marketing an IDN makes sense - easier to remember, etc.

Drawbacks of IDNs is they are built on a kludge; they are registered as alphanumeric domains beginning with "XN--" ... and IDNs still use the standard anglo-saxon TLDs, such as .COM.

So one ends up, for example, with an arabic 2nd level domain with an anglo-saxon extension. Bizarre.

And then there's the big issue of name confusion - IDNs can potentially contain characters that appear exactly as others to the end user; for people think phishing is bad now, IDNs will really mix things up and likely end up resulting in filtering out IDNs (many network admins already do filtering for some TLDs, like .biz and .info) and/or displaying them untranslated (XN--...).

In a nutshell, there's likely good money in IDNs, but one has to keep in mind that important technical differences exist - none of which are going away anytime soon.

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valuenames said:
IDNs have value, but question is how much ... for marketing an IDN makes sense - easier to remember, etc.

Drawbacks of IDNs is they are built on a kludge.............
Ron

Ron,

Thanks for that! Most reasoned argument against IDN that I have heard yet!

Yes, the when is a dot com a dot com argument has not been fully resolved, but my guess is that dot com will as it has up until now follow the example of what is going to be the biggest IDN market China. I don't personally believe that you will have dot com and a host of "IDN dot coms" operating beside each other as separate registries.

China already operates ML versions of dot CN, so that the kludge is avoided, but dot com like just coca cola is recognized internationally anyway. Just as Simplified and Traditional Chinese Domains have been linked and now cannot be double booked, I believe that there will be just one dot com with many different representations that all resolve to the same registry, otherwise it would be a trademark war zone. Those that hold the dot com now will therefore and legally would in any case have rights over any IDN equivalent.

The point is though that only the current version is dot com, whatever happens!

As far as value is concerned, it is difficult to put a value on single alphabetic character domains as there English Equivalents are largely reserved by IANA and therefore will never come to market! With three quarters of the Arabic Alphabet, a similar proportion of the Davanegari Alphabet and Single Numerals, the biggest collection of popular Japanese Hirigana Characters and endless highly used single Chinese Glyphs and a few single Russian Cyrillics, even if they are only worth a few thousand each, that already make me a multi-millionaire on paper.

I must admit I get a bit fed up with US-Centric approach of most domainers. Dot de is already proving that it is mainly to market size and importance that is the main determinant of domain value. China will be no different, except that like the US most of the focus to date has been on Dot Com, and China will of course be not only the largest market but also the largest economy.

I remember when dot CN first came out as a second level domain, there was great skepticism as to whether it could compete with .com.cn., yet it eclipsed it in no time, and nobody with any brain would register .com.cn as first choice now. How quickly things can change. China is heavily promoting IDN version of dot CN, but as dot com is the biggest TDL in China the spill over is obvious. I already have dozens of domains that have traffic in three figures each month and I would expect that to grow exponentially over the next few years.

It is difficult to see why when type-in is the greatest measure of value in the US, the same property in an IDN would mean worthless.

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only time can tell ;)

i'm not talking about arabic IDNs, i'm talking about all IDNs btw including chinese, japanese etc..

dont tell me japan and china are in 14th century too? they have a billion population, atleast you would see 1 famos IDN site, but do you see any? :)
 

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Bashar said:
only time can tell ;)

i'm not talking about arabic IDNs, i'm talking about all IDNs btw including chinese, japanese etc..

dont tell me japan and china are in 14th century too? they have a billion population, atleast you would see 1 famos IDN site, but do you see any? :)

Bashar,

Obviously, the Chnese and Japanese markets for IDN are already ahead of Arabic, Russian and Davengari, although probably behind the Koreans. Don't know when their calendars start from. We are probably two or three millenia behind on that measure.

I was looking at Google last night-night and came up with a whole load of Japanese and Chinese IDN with respectable Google Rankings. Admittedly they didn't mean much to me, but then they wouldn't. A lot of it is still done by URL forwarding, but many larger organisation are at least acknowledging that this is too important to completely ignore!

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lots of 5 figure sales already happened on the IDN .de market!

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nicorlino said:
lots of 5 figure sales already happened on the IDN .de market!

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Yes, precisely. If the Germans are prepared to make the necessary sacrifices to ensure their names have the Umblatts in the right places, how much more will other nations be prepared to accept any short comings of IDN to have their names in their own native script!

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dwrixon said:
Yes, precisely. If the Germans are prepared to make the necessary sacrifices to ensure their names have the Umblatts in the right places, how much more will other nations be prepared to accept any short comings of IDN to have their names in their own native script!

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Reaching those names still depends on the browser you are using, but this for sure is a longterm investment.

If anybody has great german IDN'S .com, just drop me a pm, willing to pay good money for good keywords.

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Bashar said:
only time can tell ;)

i'm not talking about arabic IDNs, i'm talking about all IDNs btw including chinese, japanese etc..

dont tell me japan and china are in 14th century too? they have a billion population, atleast you would see 1 famos IDN site, but do you see any? :)

Perhaps not household names over here, but a few examples of IDN links set up to site with Google Rankings.

www.ねこ.com
www.卵.net
www.日本の.jp/
www.富田製薬.com
www.窓の杜.jp/
www.鹿島亨.jp/
www.ゆびとま.jp/

Look even Domain Forum has set up to handle non-ASCII characters!

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All I see are squares in place of the non-ascii characters...

Clicking on the links doesn't help either - squares are also in the actual urls.

I'm running Windows XP SP2 / MSIE 6.

Any ideas why I'm getting squares and not the correct characters? Anyone else getting squares too??

Ron
 

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valuenames said:
All I see are squares in place of the non-ascii characters...

Clicking on the links doesn't help either - squares are also in the actual urls.

I'm running Windows XP SP2 / MSIE 6.

Any ideas why I'm getting squares and not the correct characters? Anyone else getting squares too??

Ron

Ron,

To see these Japanese Characters you have to have the East Asian Character Sets installed in you operating system. Sorry have been at this for a while so I forget. Go to Control Panel, Regional and Language and hit the Languages tab. Tick the appropriate box(s). You will need the Window installation disks.

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So, what was the domain that sold? I don't see it listed @ sedo.
 
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