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$0 because of what I posted here:-
http://www.dnforum.com/showpost.php?p=443556&postcount=6
http://www.dnforum.com/showpost.php?p=443556&postcount=6
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Edwin said:
There are companies that will register the .jp for you AND give you a Japan presence, and I of course would have them go through one of these registrars and simply request a transfer.
That is if I get a buyer. Seems like a great name for realtors or auctions.
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benebuck said:
The information I gave about the difficulty of transferring .jp domains comes directly from one of the head guys at just such a company. So I don't think you can "simply request a transfer".
I guess it's a bit like .co.uk - you can change the information associated with the domain Admin but the LEGAL ownership change process is complicated, time-consuming and costly.
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I heard this about .de .us .info .biz .org .tv and on and on
If you can get a great key word, and you use it, the domain name will bring value...
If you can get a great key word, and you use it, the domain name will bring value...
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Again, please re-read my original post.
I did NOT say "no .jp domains have value"
I said: .jp domains under a certain 'value' have zero value because nobody will bother to pay for and do the transfer required to acquire them.
Actually, I believe .jp is going to be a very strong extension in a few years time. The extension already gets some automatic typeins, depending on the domain name - and right now the overall Web market in Japan is growing quickly.
I did NOT say "no .jp domains have value"
I said: .jp domains under a certain 'value' have zero value because nobody will bother to pay for and do the transfer required to acquire them.
Actually, I believe .jp is going to be a very strong extension in a few years time. The extension already gets some automatic typeins, depending on the domain name - and right now the overall Web market in Japan is growing quickly.
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I think three types of domain may (note emphasis) become valuable under .jp:-
A) Easy to spell Japanese domains. By this, I mean domains where there's no potential for argument about how they could be spelled. If you know Japanese, you'll understand that you can make a case for writing "tu" or "tsu", "oo" or "ou" or "o-", etc. So it's better to go for something obvious, short, easy-to-remember and which can't be misspelled - for example kuruma.jp (car)
Remember too that Japanese people aren't as used to typing "Western" (or in this case Romaji) letters as we are, so beyond about 9-10 letters the domain's getting *too long* for the target market.
B) Foreign terms that have been absorbed into Japanese via Katakana, if they're VERY generic and widely known. Example: loan.jp, home.jp... Same qualification as above re. length etc. Also, plurals are pretty much a no-no as the concept doesn't exist in Japanese so for example loans.jp might only be worth 5-10% of loan.jp, even though in the .com market loans.com might be worth MORE than loan.com!
C) Very very very generic English-language domains (i.e. "Top 100" quality names). Things like weather.jp for example. And/or domains that would have a strong enough market just from the (relatively small) foreign community here.
Unfortunately I don't see any potential for a domain like sold.jp. It doesn't work in Japanese in the sense that people aren't (generally - you can always find exceptions) familiar with the past tense of "to sell". Now if you'd had sale.jp, that would probably worth a bit because people would instantly recognize it from "se-ru" (Katakana) which is displayed in just about every shop and department store at one time or another.
One final thought: Japan is probably around 2-3 years behind the US and at least 18 months behind Europe. If you look at the near-dead market for .co.uk or .de domains at the beginning of 2003 and earlier, it probably gives you some idea of the current situation.
Couple that with the intensely difficult transfer process and the current lower penetration of the Web in Japan and any investment in super-premium .jp domains is probably going to take at least 2-3 years to blossom, and more likely 5.
I'm a believer - I have a couple of dozen domains lined up including advertising.jp, leasing.jp, p**no.jp (adult term), yakitori.jp - but I don't realistically expect to see a yen of profit until 2006 or later.
A) Easy to spell Japanese domains. By this, I mean domains where there's no potential for argument about how they could be spelled. If you know Japanese, you'll understand that you can make a case for writing "tu" or "tsu", "oo" or "ou" or "o-", etc. So it's better to go for something obvious, short, easy-to-remember and which can't be misspelled - for example kuruma.jp (car)
Remember too that Japanese people aren't as used to typing "Western" (or in this case Romaji) letters as we are, so beyond about 9-10 letters the domain's getting *too long* for the target market.
B) Foreign terms that have been absorbed into Japanese via Katakana, if they're VERY generic and widely known. Example: loan.jp, home.jp... Same qualification as above re. length etc. Also, plurals are pretty much a no-no as the concept doesn't exist in Japanese so for example loans.jp might only be worth 5-10% of loan.jp, even though in the .com market loans.com might be worth MORE than loan.com!
C) Very very very generic English-language domains (i.e. "Top 100" quality names). Things like weather.jp for example. And/or domains that would have a strong enough market just from the (relatively small) foreign community here.
Unfortunately I don't see any potential for a domain like sold.jp. It doesn't work in Japanese in the sense that people aren't (generally - you can always find exceptions) familiar with the past tense of "to sell". Now if you'd had sale.jp, that would probably worth a bit because people would instantly recognize it from "se-ru" (Katakana) which is displayed in just about every shop and department store at one time or another.
One final thought: Japan is probably around 2-3 years behind the US and at least 18 months behind Europe. If you look at the near-dead market for .co.uk or .de domains at the beginning of 2003 and earlier, it probably gives you some idea of the current situation.
Couple that with the intensely difficult transfer process and the current lower penetration of the Web in Japan and any investment in super-premium .jp domains is probably going to take at least 2-3 years to blossom, and more likely 5.
I'm a believer - I have a couple of dozen domains lined up including advertising.jp, leasing.jp, p**no.jp (adult term), yakitori.jp - but I don't realistically expect to see a yen of profit until 2006 or later.
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Edwin said:
Regarding .JP domain transfers, there seems to be confusion between .JP transfers and .CO.JP transfers.
.JP transfers work the same way as .com transfers and do not require legal documentation or lawyers. (.CO.JP however does, as it is tied down to legal company documentation submitted to the government.)
For more info on .JP domain transfers, you can read my previous post:
http://www.dnforum.com/showpost.php?p=444277&postcount=11
Cheers,
M.Yukai
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