The war is about to start

[Luc]

I agree...North Korea is a problem for the world as well.

There are MANY countries which have, and continue to create
nuclear bombs.

Bottom line. If you stop for a second and THINK. Forget everything
the media has been feeding you the past 6 months and just
think if this decision is the right one to make. Think if putting
millions of Americans to an immediate threat is worth the payoff.

The answer is no. World leaders in dozens of countries agree
that the time for WAR has not YET come.

I still fail to see how bombing the living hell out of Iraq will
stop terrorism. The big guns have already left the country
and bombing their home land will only PROVOKE them to
retaliate, and as we all known from 9/11, they fight dirty.

 

[beatz]

Even more interesting,

say if Saddam indeed leaves the country with 48 hours as demanded - what reason would the US have to still invade the country, with or without weapons?

I mean, would they go to Iraq and say," Oh, we like that oil field over there, we think it's ours"?

I guess Bush's biggest nightmare must be Saddam indeed leaving the country cuz he would have to look for a new alibi to invade and get the oil.

 

[StockDoctor]

Originally posted by beatz
Stocdoctor - who is to decide who is a terrorist and who is not?

At the moment it looks like the nation that has nukes and wants to attack another country for no other reason than oil is the US.
Also, people like Sharon overtook the term "terrorist" and abuse them in their own interest in connection with the palestinian.

So who is the terrorist and who is not?

At the moment it's the US threatening the world and ignoring law.

It won't be difficult for the U.S. to determine who the terrorists are. Anyone who starts anything anywhere will be kept under their respective countries rule for fear of U.S. reprisal.

The reason (other than Bushs oil interests) have already been answered above. You don't want U.S. rule, but I'd trust the U.S. to make the decision before anyone else. We are a fare people believe it or not and no one else has the power to stop this madness. Who else would you recommend? All these little war mongers with their religous leaders saying everyone who doesn't believe in our religion is Satan?

I believe the U.S. could stop the Israel/Palestinian conflicts, the Ireland idiocy, etc etc. Who else do you have in mind?

To answer your last note. Anyone who pulls a trigger is a terrorist. Commit an action and face the U.S. wrath. That means everyone. NO exceptions. If there are any triggers pulled, it should be just one. But it should be a BIG one.

 

[beatz]

Originally posted by Stocdoctor


It won't be difficult for the U.S. to determine who the terrorists are. Anyone who starts anything anywhere will be kept under their respective countries rule for fear of U.S. reprisal.

Uh?

So it's the US that would have the right to decide who is good and who is bad?

That's *exactly* what the rest of the world does NOT want to happen.

Why?

Well, by your definition it's the US govt at the moment that behaves like a terrorist.

But the rest of the world doubts the US will threaten themselves.

Btw - to make a decision who is good and who is not is one of the main purposes of the UN.

Not the US.

So to give the US the right to determine who is a terrorist would be the most stupid thing - i mean, *at this moment* the US is saying they will go to war *against* the WHOLE WORLD's will.

Giving the US the right to decide?

C'mon.

 

[Luc]

I guess Bush's biggest nightmare must be Saddam
indeed leaving the country cuz he would have to look for a new
alibi to invade and get the oil.

Yep.

But what kind of a leader would leave his country behind, fleeing?

Does Bush honestly expect this stubborn bastard to pack his
bags and leave his OWN country? Would Bush do it? Would anyone?!

The Iraqi people will fight to the last man no question about
that.

 

[StockDoctor]

Originally posted by beatz
Even more interesting,

say if Saddam indeed leaves the country with 48 hours as demanded - what reason would the US have to still invade the country, with or without weapons?

I mean, would they go to Iraq and say," Oh, we like that oil field over there, we think it's ours"?

I guess Bush's biggest nightmare must be Saddam indeed leaving the country cuz he would have to look for a new alibi to invade and get the oil.

I agree with you Beatz. That would be a nightmare for Bush and his oil interests. But I'd love to see Saddam leave and give Bush that nightmare. I don't want this war. I don't want any war.

It sure makes it clear though. If saddam valued his people over his own interests he'd leave and end this thing. He says he will not. That decision is now all anyone needed to see.

 

[beatz]

No.

Like, if the US decided to go to war with france, and asked Chirac to leave the country and he would not want to do that - would you also say "that's all anyone needed to see"?

 

[Ed30]

Don't you people get it?? It's NOT about oil.

 

[TopNames.com]

Well, I can tell you there is no way the American people would support Bush if he dropped a nuke.

 

[Luc]

Don't you people get it?? It's NOT about oil.

No. You don't get it. CNN brainwashed you to the point where
you would kill for this cause. You're not alone, so don't feel
bad.

 

[system0]

Originally posted by Stocdoctor


It sure makes it clear though. If saddam valued his people over his own interests he'd leave and end this thing. He says he will not. That decision is now all anyone needed to see.

i think if you asked any ruler to leave their own country they would not do so - what if the un said to america bush must leave or the un will attack

do you think bush would leave?

 

[beatz]

Right,

it's about

- oil
- religion
- a "new world order" (equals Bush's wish the US to be No1)
- Money

Nothing else.

 

[TopNames.com]

See, now I'm pissed ...it's NOT about religion...do you realize how many Muslims are in the US? Comments like that are irresponsible and moronic.

Kuwait is a muslin state is it not? We defended them (along with other nations) from another muslim state. Was one of our motives oil and money...yes...but so was the reason Iraq invaded Kuwait in the first place.

I knew Beatz would take it there...

 

[beatz]

Sure it's about religion.

You may wanna look up some of Bush's recent speeches and how often the words "god", "good", "evil" and so on show up.

Plus he openly said that god himself gave him the duty to fight the evil in the world.

If you don't believe me, i for real ask you to look up some speeches.

I mean, might be normal for you, but for us Europeans this mixture of politics with religion is outrageous.

This man is dangerous.

 

[StockDoctor]

Originally posted by DomainRetriever


Yep.

But what kind of a leader would leave his country behind, fleeing?

Does Bush honestly expect this stubborn bastard to pack his
bags and leave his OWN country? Would Bush do it? Would anyone?!

The Iraqi people will fight to the last man no question about
that.

Saddam is NO leader. You say "the Iraqi people" as if Saddam represents them. If anything, he's leading the army there into the toilet. The U.S. people just want to flush Saddam down into the sewer where he belongs. I believe Bush was forced into that decision to give them one more chance to avoid this thing. Saddam would rather waste the people of Iraq in defense of his own personal interests. He and everyone else knows it's suicide. But I saw those 60 soldiers in white willing to lay down their lives for Saddam. If Saddam doesn't leave soon, they will.

 

[Ed30]

Originally posted by DomainRetriever

so don't feel bad.

I don't! (PS I don't watch CNN).

 

[system0]

saddam is their leader - the general public of iraq love him

whilst i admit his election recently was dodgy - he was still elected - wasnt bush elected in a similar kind of way after al gore beating him in votes

i cant believe how much people have little value for other human beings - babies, kids and woman will die in this war - thousands upon thousands will

this gun ho attitude has to stop - the uk and the us are not the police of the world

 

[Ed30]

Originally posted by fonzerelli_79
saddam is their leader - the general public of iraq love him

Actually they loathe him. They say they love him, otherwise they get shot.

 

[TopNames.com]

Beatz...it's not about religion regardless of what you say. Using the word "god" does not make this a holy war and you never even addressed my Iraq attacking Kuwait point in my last post.

Have you ever read about the mistakes of those who appeased Adolf Hitler in the 1930's? If other countries appeased Saddam, history could repeat itself.

 

[TopNames.com]

Originally posted by fonzerelli_79
saddam is their leader - the general public of iraq love him

Fonz...you're kidding right? The No-Fly zones are in effect to *protect* Iraqi people from Saddam...