closed 135 LLLL.com portfolio, Worth the $850 Investment, Yey, or Ney?

[GUA]

So my total expenditure on producing this portfolio has been $856.21 ($6.34 per name)
How much is it worth?

Basically I have been spennding mid $xxx per name on various all premium/pronouncable names. I thought this time around I'd invest the cash in registrations, was it a good choice?

I think in some respects an easier way of appraising this would be like so.
Do you:
a) Think I could easily get $850 back for these 135 names?
b) Think I could easily get $1700 back for these 135 names?
c) Think I'd struggle to get $850 back?

Also If you could point out your personal favorites etc, that would be dandy. Thanks

vuxh.com
pyuq.com
pyoq.com
yixh.com
yixj.com
qwuq.com
qufq.com
qowq.com
qevq.com
qyuq.com
oyxr.com
nxov.com
uxht.com
ziwj.com
ziwv.com
quxq.com
qegp.com
qehp.com
qfbl.com
qfbp.com
qfho.com
qfnp.com
qfrl.com
qgbi.com
qgfi.com
qghm.com
qgfp.com
qgpo.com
qgnl.com
qgho.com
qgmo.com
qgpi.com
qgri.com
qhlo.com
qhnl.com
qhpo.com
qigp.com
qihp.com
qlfo.com
qmfp.com
qnbp.com
qnfp.com
qnho.com
qnlo.com
qnro.com
qobm.com
qogm.com
qprl.com
qrdo.com
qrml.com
qtbp.com
qtfo.com
xgsu.com
uhxr.com
ihlq.com
lrsq.com
lgpq.com
nprq.com
ngpq.com
nfbq.com
ocfq.com
odtq.com
otmq.com
ogrq.com
osnq.com
osgq.com
opgq.com
phfq.com
phgq.com
phlq.com
phmq.com
plbq.com
plfq.com
rdlq.com
rdpq.com
rdtq.com
rfbq.com
rfnq.com
rgtq.com
rgrq.com
rhbq.com
rhlq.com
rhmq.com
rhnq.com
rhrq.com
rlfq.com
rlgq.com
rlnq.com
rmlq.com
rngq.com
rnpq.com
rnmq.com
rpnq.com
tpbq.com
xhgb.com
rnxm.com
zcft.com
zlhi.com
zlrn.com
zpgr.com
zrmp.com
zcrh.com
rnxh.com
rnxf.com
znfi.com
qwuj.com
rfxh.com
pgxt.com
pxmf.com
ixgh.com
zfdt.com
xfpe.com
xihb.com
xnhi.com
xofh.com
xogf.com
zpft.com
xrbn.com
xrfb.com
zfhi.com
xrnp.com
zltn.com
xrft.com
zlfn.com
zlrm.com
zdlg.com
rnxb.com
xrhn.com
zlge.com
zsrp.com
pnxr.com
zrge.com
ztfp.com
zdfi.com
rnxg.com

 

[Theo]

Not exactly the cream of the crop, I'm afraid. An occasional 'x' or 'q' or 'z' are fine but when you have 2 or more of these letters in a 4-letter combo, the odds of selling individual names become much smaller. That told, when I registered XYNO.com (sold) and IQXS.com back in 2000, I wasn't looking at it as a random registration but as something that made sense to me.

Best of luck.

 

[Kventures]

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[Dr Nump]

The problem is that it might take 2-3-4 years for *all* LLLL.coms to be valuable.

until then you are stuck paying 850$ a year to renew them.

Same situation with L-L-L.coms right now

I think it's a good investment, but you have to put in some money for the next 2-4 years

A very good advice !
I myself have 140 LLLL.com and some .net , and I have to say until all LLLL.com gone (in the next 3-4 years or so) , those suck domains is not easy to sell.

Regards

 

[domainah]

I couldnt see a single one in there without bad letters, you are better off buying 4 good ones for $200 each, this also keeps renewal fees low, the chances that anyone would pay good money for any of them are remote IMO, not a good investment. IMO you would have been better off buying some L-L-L.coms

 

[GUA]

Thanks for the opinions guys, I appreciate the honesty. I guess I will stop with regging random LLLL.com. That being said IMO these are the cream of the crop of the rubbish that is left. Also taking into account that they have dropped in numbers by 1000 in 2 days, I am confident within a year they will easily sell for at least double reg fee. What would you say to this statement guys?

 

[BostonDomainer]

I would sell a few for $35 some at $20 some at $10 and some at $7. Then slowly decrease pricing. I would also check if any .net or .org is taken then offer them to the owner. I've gotten $100s before for really bad names.

My favorite in the list is ZDFI.com OSNQ.com to answer your question/.


cheer mate!

 

[domainah]

a quick check showed that for all domains .net and .infos are still available..I think I would go by traffic and see which might get some type-in or typo traffic and keep those...I cant see them doubling in price any time soon, there are almost half a million LLLL.coms, the ones not getting any traffic over lets say 30 hits a month I would get rid of as I dont see any value for them at all, its better to get some money now selling them in bulk and maybe get 200 or 300 back than paying another 800 in renewals over the next 12 months. good luck

 

[1john2004]

.... and I have to say until all LLLL.com gone (in the next 3-4 years or so) , those suck domains is not easy to sell.

Regards

All llll.com will gone during next 2 months.

 

[Theo]

All llll.com will gone during next 2 months.

Tasted, maybe.

 

[GUA]

All llll.com will gone during next 2 months.

I agree, I am just unsure what will happen with the values.

 

[sashas]

personally, I like LLLL.coms, but only the pronounceable ones, or ones with good letters. I don't really think that all the LLLL.coms will ever be out of circulation. I can't imagine a buyer for every one of them (even qzxw.com). LLLL.coms with good letters, however, should become a LOT more valuable with time.

I'm not sure if you can get your $850 back within 6 months. Keep in mind, however, that with so many names, there is a chance of an end user coming along and a single sale paying for all the remaining 134 names.

 

[filter]

personally, I like LLLL.coms, but only the pronounceable ones, or ones with good letters. I don't really think that all the LLLL.coms will ever be out of circulation. I can't imagine a buyer for every one of them (even qzxw.com).
[...]

hmmm ... Google returns 178000 results for "qzxw" - and qzxw.cn and qzxw.com.cn are both regged (but parked) ... (Though qzxw.net and qzxw.org are still available.)

Eyes tend to glaze over looking at long list of "line noise" LLLL.com so sometimes maybe the whole is less than the sum of its parts when presenting a batch of these. But that's an opportunity for the braver souls among us to find a few diamonds in the rough.

Your domains beginning with "Z" may do best in general. (FYI one of them matches acronym for a Zimbabwe beekeeper organization - or something like that - for whatever that's worth!)

This post from Doc Com in another thread is some interesting perspective:
http://www.dnforum.com/f77/l-l-l-co...premium-left-4-thread-230507.html#post1235177
(wherein it is written ...)

But, I also want to point out that the post regrading "premium" or "lesser premium" names...keep in mind that these are generalization and not globalization guidelines.

Premium letters? How about premium names like JUG (two subprime). Also, look at stock market symbols and foreign languages. How many Chinese words begin with Q, Y, Z?

(Also later in that thread another clued-in poster mentions Z is often seen in German language domain names.)

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for highly motivated buyers in the short term though - and dealing with worldwide end-users may be a bit of work to pull off - perhaps some may not see as much of a premium in the .com extension either (...?)

So maybe that's the potential demand (and remember the saying that 1,000,000,000 Chinese can't be wrong!)

In terms of supply: of the 456,976 LLLL.com domains - over 447,000 are currently registered. The remaining 9000 "line noise" domains have been disappearing at a rate of about 1000 per week lately, so conceivably they could be all gone by the end of 2007.

Looking at LLLL.com listings on Afternic, Sedo, and TDNAM - seems like at least 50,000 out there for sale on those big sites (maybe some overlap). How many of those are in "strong hands" (willing to pay reg fee for at least another year) ...?

Personally I think that by the end of 2008 they probably will all be in stronger hands - but more than a few will have slipped through nervous fingers in the meantime. Hard to say if increase in reseller market value will be more than the reg fee you pay next year though.

I guess the line-noise LLLL.com is the penny stock (option) of the domain market. If only the reg fees were pennies as well!

 

[Dr Nump]

I agree to filter , his analysis is pretty well. It is hard to say if there are any increase in reseller prices in the next few years for low quality LLLL.com .
Only some type of LLLL.com (cvcv vcvc pronounceable ...) or high quality letters combinations prices go up and easy to sell.

 

[Focus]

I think it's a waste of money on those combos imho...don't focus your time or money on useless combos..it's better to go after quality combos even if it costs extra..you do get what you pay for!

 

[DomainMagnate]

Can't find any premium/pronounceable there

All LLLL.com's will be gone by the end of the year so it's a good investment. But buying better quality letters would give a much better roi imo

Only 8633 of them left as of today.


~MG

 

[tristanperry]

Nothing wrong with doing this - by the time these come to renewal next year, the minimum for a really bad LLLL.com should be $30-35 (hopefully).

And these aren't "really bad" domains - hence I think that you should make a nice profit doing this. You won't have huge profit margins, although the profit should be worth it IMHO.

I have about 40 LLLL.com domains which aren't 'quality' (they aren't CVCV, VCVC, all premium letters, not all easy to pronounce etc), however they should still fetch a nice profit once all LLLL.coms are taken.

And going by the "invest in CVCV.coms" argument isn't a great one, IMHO. Already the price for a decent/good CVCV.com is low $x,xxx. Only 5 times less than an LLL.com. Hence I cannot see that CVCV.coms will grow (in price) all that much over the next few years. Even if it does grow to, say, $5k in a few years, that's a profit of maybe $4k/$1k = 400%.

The profit for lower quality LLLL.coms (like you've registered) should be higher than this, IMHO. $28/$6.10 = 450%.

Most will probably disagree with me here, although I think that registering an LLLL.com domain for $7 is a good investment.

 

[Focus]

This whole concept and idea that they will be "all gone" and then people will pay more is so ass backwards...this only really applies to the LLL market, and for good reason..there are only 17,576 LLL's in any ext. for the LLLL's there are a whopping 456,976 possible...because of this there will constantly be names dropping and there are more than enough to satisfy any possible demand for names like xzqk.com, lol ...people spending money on very bad LLLL's are simply wasting their money on a pipe dream. Trust me I have been in this biz a looong time.

 

[sashas]

I'll agree with Focus.

Frankly, I'd rather invest in good VCVC and CVCV.nets than buy bad letter LLLL.coms.

IMO, now is the best time to buy good quality LLLL.coms. I don't think any of them will be dropping soon.

btw, I don't know how filter is getting 178000 Google results for qxzw...I'm showing just 24k.

Coming back to the topic, CVCV.coms are the cream of the crop. I was very very surprised to see so many of the premium CVCV.coms (Hoho.com, Gofo.com, Poro.com etc.) being actively used. Can't find a single good one fore less than 2.5k (Popo.com's owner wanted 100k! Not too bad with 9000 OVT though!)

 

[filter]

btw, I don't know how filter is getting 178000 Google results for qxzw...I'm showing just 24k.

qZxw is the real deal ... http://www.google.com/search?q=qzxw

(qXzw is ripe for a typosquatter !)

Looks like a good variety of perspective on this one - that's what makes a market. (plus fools and money and all that ... :smile

one interesting trick to consider from analyzing traditional financial market outlook is "bullish vs. bearish" indicator - it's a bit contrarian but based on surveys of fund managers - those with bullish outlook usually already holding the asset in question, those with bearish outlook not. So if most report bullish outlook then may reflect that the asset is overbought - that is, everyone's already got some and will be looking to sell not buy ...

not sure how applicable that is to line-noise LLLL.com but from comments in this thread probably most are not too bullish, a few even downright bearish. Personally (and yes, I'm holding dozens of "high quality" line-noise diamonds in the rough) I'm neutral about the next year but I think both speculator and end user market will in fact eventually be easily big enough to put a nice scarcity premium on the 456,976 LLLL.com universe. (Maybe somewhere around 1/26th of LLL.com ?) A lot depends on how Chinese and other international end users value .com relative to alternative extensions.

tomclowes - RERS group looks A-OK to me. While any one specific domain may be a tough sell right now, I bet many (including myself) would jump at offer to buy a 10% stake in the entire portfolio for $100.