closed "AllThingsBoxing(.com) Domains ... Please help!

[drumbum]

I bought a handful of these not long ago. I would appreciate your thoughts:

ALLTHINGSBOXING.COM
ALLTHINGSBOYS.COM
ALLTHINGSCANDLES.COM
ALLTHINGSCARPET.COM
ALLTHINGSDANCING.COM
ALLTHINGSDIETING.COM
ALLTHINGSDINING.COM
ALLTHINGSDOCTOR.COM
ALLTHINGSDOMAINS.COM
ALLTHINGSDRUGS.COM
ALLTHINGSDRUMMING.COM
ALLTHINGSEXERCISE.COM
ALLTHINGSFLAGS.COM
ALLTHINGSFLOOR.COM
ALLTHINGSFRAMES.COM
ALLTHINGSGAMBLING.COM
ALLTHINGSGOD.COM
ALLTHINGSGUNS.COM
ALLTHINGSKEYWORD.COM
ALLTHINGSKEYWORDS.COM
ALLTHINGSLAW.COM
ALLTHINGSLAWNS.COM
ALLTHINGSLAWYER.COM
ALLTHINGSLIGHTING.COM
ALLTHINGSLOCKS.COM
ALLTHINGSMAGIC.COM
ALLTHINGSMARRIAGE.COM
ALLTHINGSMOVIES.COM
ALLTHINGSPEOPLE.COM
ALLTHINGSPOSTERS.COM
ALLTHINGSRELIGION.COM
ALLTHINGSROMANCE.COM
ALLTHINGSSAILING.COM
ALLTHINGSSWIMMING.COM
ALLTHINGSTELEVISION.COM
ALLTHINGSTRAINS.COM

 

[BostonDomainer]

Did you buy AllThings.com???

 

[CamMK27]

Did you buy AllThings.com???

LOL... Probably with the price to pay for all those, one AllThings.com could have been bought.

 

[drumbum]

Did you buy AllThings.com???

No, I didn't.

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LOL... Probably with the price to pay for all those, one AllThings.com could have been bought.

No, they were all available. Most of the domains I own, nobody else owned at the time so they only cost the annual renewal.

 

[draggar]

36 domains - that's $360 a year in renewals.

Not worth it IMO - quality over quantity. I agree with Boston & Cam, you should have concentrated on the primary .com

 

[drumbum]

36 domains - that's $360 a year in renewals.

Not worth it IMO - quality over quantity. I agree with Boston & Cam, you should have concentrated on the primary .com

I see that now. But you don't learn that in the beginning. It takes trial and error and making some mistakes along the way just like business itself. I still have a lot to learn about the domain business.

That said, I could use some appraisal help rather than just "you should have..." (I mean this respectfully). It's the whole reason I joined this forum rather than going with an appraisal company. I heard everyone say to come in here and pay the money to get more accurate appraisals. So far, I'm not getting appraisals but just comments and I'm starting to think I've wasted my money. If I'm going about it the wrong way, please enlighten me. Thanks in advance.

 

[CamMK27]

I see that now. But you don't learn that in the beginning. It takes trial and error and making some mistakes along the way just like business itself. I still have a lot to learn about the domain business.

That said, I could use some appraisal help rather than just "you should have..." (I mean this respectfully). It's the whole reason I joined this forum rather than going with an appraisal company. I heard everyone say to come in here and pay the money to get more accurate appraisals. So far, I'm not getting appraisals but just comments and I'm starting to think I've wasted my money. If I'm going about it the wrong way, please enlighten me. Thanks in advance.

Well wasted money exactly is right appraisal. They are worth not even registration fee because most people will not buy them from you for even registration price. You have known about domaining since 2004? I wish if I had known about it since 2004, I would have def built a way better portfolio than I have right now.

 

[drumbum]

I started buying domains early but only recently started selling some. I've built a huge drumming network, own two successful stores and an online mall and I'm raising two kids, so I've been very busy. I can't be an expert at everything. Do you realize that you come off very condescending?

Anyone else? There are usually many opinions. I find it hard to believe that all of those are only worth absolutely zero. But if that's the collective opinion, then I'll definitely heed the advice of the experts in here.

 

[kinologik]

Hi drumbum,

I feel for you on this. The domains I own, I got them for the following reasons:

- Besides a low %, most are 1 word or 2 (if 2, most work together if I put myself in the shoes of someone looking for something specific)

- Lots of them are geo-domains (like Canada, Quebec, Tremblant, Laurentians, etc.). That's where I live, so it's easier for me to understand what people are looking for, or who to reach if I what to sell to a enduser. Geo-domains are popular since people often look for a product/service around their own area.

- Using keywords that I know something about. That way, I can find some communities around the world and promote my domains while being at least a little knowledgeable about the subject. Domainers usually don't have a good name with endusers (in my own experience), and it's easier to flip a bad perception if you share some passion and interests with the person you contact.

- Some common expressions (I went as far as finding latin expressions, ie. manumilitari) that I feel can somehow can be monetized. But in some case, it can be a long shot, and you then need to be patient if you really believe in these domains. Maybe even build a proof of concept to show what you mean.

- Some "catchy" names, and those will probably be the most difficult domains to evaluate. They were a leaps of faith, and only time will tell if they worth what my gut feeling told me they were when I registered them.

I did make some dumb mistakes once in a while. Also, people have tried to convinced me that I made mistakes, without being the case. I have passed on interested buyers many times, and sometime feel I should have went through with some of the transactions. I have tons of domains, but I still consider myself as a newcomer. So I don't think being a domainer is an easy ride to fame and fortune.

This being said, I personally don't search the Web using "All things [subject]", so your domains don't have any value for me, and I therefore would not be convincing at trying to resell them afterward. My appraisal is unfortunately 0$. There is no way I can spin that around in my mind.

 

[Bill Roy]

Hi DB,

I do not think there is a ready market in the 'domaining sphere' for these domains, however some may well be able to find possible end-user purchasers. From this perspective I can see forum or information sites being developed on these in particular:

Boxing
Dancing
Magic
Marriage
Movies
Romance
Sailing

If you have an interest in any of these areas then you could decide to develop it yourself.

Sorry but I cannot give you an end user value on these.

Hope this helps.

 

[drumbum]

Hi drumbum,

I feel for you on this. The domains I own, I got them for the following reasons:

A thoughtful, respectful and informative response. Thank you! Seems we have a lot in common in the methodology of how we approached buying. Here are some of the ways I bought my domains:

- Drumming. Because I'm a pro drummer and my first retail store was a drum store, my ultimate goal was world drumming domination (grin). I bought a LOT of drum domains and plugged many of them in and started getting them working content-wise for the bottom line. It worked beautifully and we have over 20,000 visitors a day. For a small niche, that's not half bad... but I did get a little carried and bought too many (there isn't time in my lifetime to develop all of them) so I'll be selling some off.

- Gift-specific. Because the gift market is my second area of expertise, I ran with this one. I had a lot of ideas for building a similar gift network and I planned for it by reserving quite a few gift domains. I've been plugging them in for years and they are a huge part of our success with regard to online exposure. But there too I got a little carried away and over-bought. There isn't time to work with so many and I'll be selling some.

- Slogans - When I caught the domain bug, I was looking for anything that wasn't taken. I started at looking at slogans like ActNowandSave or KidsGetInFree, etc. and that's some of what I have. Of course now I know that, as you described, proof-of-concept might have to be initiated to help move them but I see a lot of big businesses using slogans like this these days so with time, they might be very valuable to the right company. We'll see.

- Random - This is when my OCD really kicked in (lol). I started to believe that, because AllThingsDancing.com sounded better than DancingAndThingsLikeThat.com, I must really have a good domain name. I'm now finding out that these names aren't quite what I thought they were. Yes, I knew that how people type things in was important (I own several keyword-rich domains that are working for me like GuitarGifts.com, DrummerGifts.com etc.), but I thought the AllThings.. would still have marketability based off of the fact that it could represent that genre. I still think they're good domains for the right party but yea, I get it. I might be 80 years old before that right party comes along and at that point I'll have spent hundreds on annual renewals.

Also, people have tried to convinced me that I made mistakes, without being the case. I have passed on interested buyers many times, and sometime feel I should have went through with some of the transactions.

This is why I think some people in here need a dose of humility. Many laughed when I told them 10 years ago that I was going to start a drummer's gift shop. Well, we've made millions through the years. Likewise, just because one domainer doesn't have luck with a domain doesn't mean others won't. The most valuable lesson I've learned in business is that there are many different ways to skin a cat.

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Hi DB,

I do not think there is a ready market in the 'domaining sphere' for these domains, however some may well be able to find possible end-user purchasers. From this perspective I can see forum or information sites being developed on these in particular:

Boxing
Dancing
Magic
Marriage
Movies
Romance
Sailing

If you have an interest in any of these areas then you could decide to develop it yourself.

Sorry but I cannot give you an end user value on these.

Hope this helps.

It does help Billbo, thank you very much! I'm learning a lot.

 

[Bill Roy]

DB, just sent you a PM.

Good luck.

 

[CamMK27]

Do you realize that you come off very condescending?

Sorry Drumbum I didn't mean to come off like that. I was just explaining that I wish I had known about domaining back in 2004. I understand you have a lot going on and thats why you couldn't become an expert at domaining. Neither am I. I just wished for myself that I wish if I had known about it longer so I could have registered more better domains and built a better portfolio. Back in 2004 a lot decent domains were available to register or were selling cheap. Honestly I found out about a domain that was sold here for $500 back in 2004 and it was sold in 2009 for $10K and it was making $500 just from pure type in traffic. Another was sold for almost $100K a few years ago which was sold for $500 at DNF back in 2003 or 2004 and today that domain makes ton of money and is in the 10 top spot of google search all the time and is probably worth mid $xxx,xxx to evern 7 figures.

So yes I wish I knew back then what I know now, I would be in way much better position and would have pissed away lesser money and gotten better results. There were a lot better deals to be had back then and of course the competition was less. A very large number of people (including myself) got started after reading Kevin Ham story in june of 2007 and of course the competition increased rapidly.

Didn't mean to offend you at all.

 

[drumbum]

Hey, I appreciate that and no big deal really. Interesting stories. Hindsight is definitely 20/20 isn't it? There were some that I wish I had bought too that I passed up on. But you we shouldn't beat ourselves up too bad. Nobody can predict the future. It's a crap shoot and we're all just doing the best we can. Those people that made those investments could have just as easily taken a loss if the timing wasn't right. A friend of mine bought a couple of beach front houses in Nagshead that he was fixing up and turning. The market was pulling millions for these. But because of sheer bad luck he is barely hanging on right now. The recession hit, he had sewer issues, eroding beach issues, etc. He's getting ready to take a loss just so he can unload them. - So you just never know.

 

[kinologik]

Wow! This is turning into a great thread! Thanks Drumbum for starting it!

I somehow think that many domainers feel like they missed the goldrush. From my very personal view, there is a little bitterness unfortunately translating from time to time in less positive inputs in the community, which is not very uplifting. But there are still some good domains available and great business is still at hand. True, things won't get easier for the newcomers in the next few years, but for those working on their portfolio here and now, promoting and selling domains is a great investment if it's done the right way.

But I don't think hoping at 1000+ fold profit on my domains or comparing myself to those few instant millionaires of years back is an attitude I must adopt. Yes, I was there, I saw it happened... and then what? Do I wish it was me? Of course I do! I also wished I won the lottery last weekend. I'm not criticizing anyone... just sharing my own feeling, if it is welcome of course. Personally, if I bought a domain 6 years ago at 8$/year and through some very basic analysis (sales history, keyword popularity, traffic over time, etc.), I conservatively evaluate it at 750$ today, that's a great investment in my book If the wisdom of the crowd in the forum can help me get more, it's even better. Then again, since sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, if I evaluate a low-end average of 250$/domain on a 400 domains portfolio, this is a more than decent investment.

I lurked around a long time before letting myself known here. But the DN community (in general) seems to have lost a little momentum lately. I remember it being much cheerful and fun just a couple of years back, when I started looking around. Is my memory failing me about this perception? Really, it could... my brain likes to play tricks on me But there is something I'm positive about: there is A LOT of experience and knowledge around here... and I hope there will be more great threads like this coming around. I'm sure there will.

Thanks again to all the posters here! Sorry if my grammar is a little broken... English is not my first language.

 

[drumbum]

Great post Kino.

But the DN community (in general) seems to have lost a little momentum lately. I remember it being much cheerful and fun just a couple of years back, when I started looking around... But there is something I'm positive about: there is A LOT of experience and knowledge around here... and I hope there will be more great threads like this coming around.

Well maybe we can collectively help to move it back in that direction. This forum will be super-effective, as well as a nice place to hang out, if everyone is friendly and helpful.