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Gerry

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Ranting? Crying? Take alook at your own post genius. BTW, those of us calling .mobi a lot of hype aren't looking for bargain mobi's, we're looking for some common sense coming from the charlatans that keep pumping it.
I hope rather than hurt the argument I have been able to shed some light on this as not being just hype but as an acceptable alternative format to facilitate the use of mobile devices with web sites.

Sure there is WAP and other programming capable sites that can be seen on a mobile device. Currently there are more than 250 TLD's and ccTLD's in use and ICANN't is releasing more in 2008. Just what we need.

So for all those TLD's, what am I supposed to use on my PDA or cell phone to get to the place I want to be?

One new TLD you will not see me buying into is .asia. Looks like the reincarnation of .eu to me and Lord knows I lost enough money on that fiasco.

I'll say it again...here in North Carolina there are now 77 different license plates to choose from. I can't even tell who is in my neighbor's driveway anymore or what state most people are from any more. Looks like the internet on interstate...such a mess.
 

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Hmmm.... it's Saturday and I think my day just got messed up! :) ;( But, hopefully I can cheer up some of the other .mobi domainers and investors.

.Mobi is still less than a year old so I think I'm going to hold out until we see more proof of which direction it's going to go... I have spent a lot of time in Europe and Asia and I see the use of mobile phones in advertising and shopping purposes a lot. It's everywhere.

The sentiment overseas on .mobi is a lot different than it is in the US. The US is typically over-conservative and the last to adopt new, emerging technologies. Actually, if you go to Japan, you see that people only really use their mobiles or handhelds.

I missed the dot-com boom of the 90's because I was too young and too broke! :) But, this time I saw an opportunity to get in early and perhaps if this extension performs as planned... there will be a lot of happy people in the world (of domainers).

I'm only 35 years old, so I grew up when there was no copy machine, no computers, etc. I learned how to type on an old typewriter and watched my teachers make carbon copies. I saw the birth of the computer, internet, VCR, etc. I also remember when a cell phone was the size of a big-ole' Army walkie-talkie and you needed a car battery to power it! :)
It's just a simple fact of human nature, they we are prone to resist change, think negatively upon it and assume the worse. (not everyone BTW)

Today, technology is rapidly advancing... but most important we are forgetting the younger generation... kids and teenagers! Surveys reveal that most kids and teens prefer to be on their computer or mobile phone... doing what we call Social Networking. Teens, the group with some disposable income to spend, really don't watch that much TV. In response, the guys on Madison Ave. cutting their TV Ad budgets and planning to spend billions more on Internet and Mobile Advertising.

It seems to me that most of the 'negative' or 'I don't think .mobi is going to work"... sentiment is coming people in an older demographic. I understand and respect you guys because of your experience and overall wisdom, but please keep in mind... things change!

To me, there's no way the Internet and Mobile Internet have reached their peak and there's no room left for growth. Technology is just now allowing us to use the mobile web at 'enjoyable' speeds and now the push is obviously into developing all aspects of the mobile web.

I believe in .mobi, especially from a Marketing and Advertising point of view.
I see Google and Yahoo leading the way and rolling out their mobile advertising platforms. Even Seth Godin is writing about mobile advertising/pay per call on his blog... and BTW... if Seth is on it... it's probably worth noting!

Here's the thing... it all comes down to branding and results. Sure companies can use an address like: www.mobile.nike.com But, I see the flip side and lot of marketing executives are saying they would prefer to run TV commercials and other advertising with a universal mobile address like: Nike.mobi

We all know you can get to Nike.com, but certainly, if I'm riding a train in Spain, or stuck in the airport in Japan, I know I can go to Nike.mobi and order some shoes, or go to Orbitz.mobi and book a trip! I don't have to guess what their company's mobile address is... and I don't have to worry about the website not being formatted for my phone.

I wonder why most people prefer a .com over a .US or .TV It's all because of widespread branding, feeling of security and knowing that .com is really the place to be. I believe people will grow to see .Mobi in the same way. We can't ignore the staggering numbers on how many people have an use cell phones around the world. Even in a country like China, and I've been there, most people don't have computers... they simply cost too much. However, I did see a great percentage of people with cell phones and you can believe the Chinese are working it out and will reach all their active mobile users.

Anyhoo... that's my 2 cents or well..... 10 cents... I'm pushing ahead with my site Mobi Marketplace, and even if I spend 80% of my time promoting the site in overseas... I believe there's enough people in the world to support .Mobi in a way that eventually it will become as common as going to Nike.com

I wish everyone here good business success, a little luck and most importantly good health and true prosperty!

PS... I had to add this: Early in 2007, I went to GoDaddy.mobi and bought a few domains... .Com, .Net, .Mobi, etc. I was at the car wash and thought, I've got nothing else better to do, so let me try it out! I went to their site from my phone and let me tell you guys... it was a really nice experience. Besides that, I ended up selling two of the .Mobi domains for over $5K Not a bad 2 minutes of work on a .mobi website for me!

It's now become a ritual of mine, to go to GoDaddy.mobi and buy a few domains. Hopefully, my luck will continue! Just wanted to share that example, I see everyone in this forum is getting a little worked up over it... Let's all meet up and have a beer over it. Either we'll walk out of the pub as friends or a major bar fight will begin! (just kidding!)
 

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The issue was proposed from an analytical angle, so as domainers, we can evaluate the possibilities in the market. The question is valid, and the outcome is certainly yet to be decided. However, lets look at major internet players, because they have a strong influence over Internet technology adoption and trends:

Google is undoubtedly the most powerful Internet player.
Gmail - Mobile Version - m.gmail.com or gmail.com/app
Google Reader - Mobile Version - Google.com/reader/m

Facebook - Mobile Version - m.facebook.com

BBC - Mobile version: bbc.co.uk/mobile

Yahoo Mail - Mobile Version - wap.oa.yahoo.com

Im figuring that the .mobi hater that writes such false claims WITHOUT evidence is trying to buy a .mobi at a reduced price for making such information.

Yes, this is an opinion. No, it doesn't come without evidence. The iPhone is evidence of market research that demonstrates a desire to navigate the Internet in its real version.

All these leading companies on the Internet are evidence that a significantly influential part of the market is doing mobile sites under their .com.
 

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All these leading companies on the Internet are evidence that a significantly influential part of the market is doing mobile sites under their .com.
For the moment...now what will those leading companies do when more and more leading Fortune 100 companies do the .mobi dance around the SE's?

Because we are so internet tuned and only see what is in front of us, we think Google and Yahoo dictate to the world. As Google and Yahoo goes, so the world goes with it.

That is what they would like for all of us and the rest of the world to believe.

The reality is Global Industry and even your favorites like NBA.mobi and BofA.mobi, and countless other mega corporations are not WAITING on google and Yahoo. Why? Because Google and Yahoo do not control NBA and its fans and do not control Bank of America and its Board of Directors, it shareholders, and its Billions of dollars in assets or it's millions of customers. That vision is what made BofA the number one bank in the US and the Fortune 500's #12 ranked US based business.

If BofA and all the other companies like BMW, Amtrak, Deutsche Bank, SAS, and other global companies waited on and followed the lead of Google and Yahoo, where would those companies be?

Still waiting on Yahoo and Google.

I was laughing my ass off last week when someone found m.google.com and announced that this was all the mobile internet needed, there was no need for .mobi and now this news which is old news.

Do you want to talk about something stupid and a monumental waste of time? Take the top 500 search words and keywords and try to reg any of them with the letter "m" in front of them. My God...quicker than your head could spin these things were being snatched up by the tens of thousands...

mmyspace.com
mfacebook.com
myahoo.com
mbank.com
msex.com
mporn.com

So a year from now, we'll see where the domain dump will be.

Will it be the .mobi bunch? Or all the idiots that caught wind of google using (temporarily) the m dot as a redirect and registered everything under the sun along with every TM word there is.
 

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So a year from now, we'll see where the domain dump will be.

Will it be the .mobi bunch? Or all the idiots that caught wind of google using (temporarily) the m dot as a redirect and registered everything under the sun along with every TM word there is.


it will be some of both... the great mobi domainer depression is coming, and no im not being sarcastic.. otherwise known as "pop goes the price bubble" (around renewal time), which is natural whether the extention is viable or not.
 

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Has anyone been wondering whether cellphone companies would start setting .mobi as default extension to their products?
 

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it will be some of both... the great mobi domainer depression is coming, and no im not being sarcastic.. otherwise known as "pop goes the price bubble" (around renewal time), which is natural whether the extention is viable or not.
I agree. I am seeing an abundance of some horrible registrations for the sake of registering domain names.

That's all about a year away.

Right now I am more concerned about Paris Hilton and her mascara running and running out of lip gloss and when do the conjugal visits start?
 

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That's all about a year away.

yep, actually 8-9 months and the first drops will start.. then drops will really begin 7 months later from regs 9/26/2006 - 2/2007.

its going to be fun.. even i will start pretending to hate .mobi around then.
 

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Has anyone been wondering whether cellphone companies would start setting .mobi as default extension to their products?

I remember in the beginning .mobi hypesters made it sound like this was a foregone conclusion. I don't see it happening. It would be funny if they sent anything without a dot to .com. :)
 

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I think the idea behind .mobi is that it may not need to be.

So far everyone seems to have the opinion that you will need to type it in. The mobile phone companies could well decide to champion a mobile internet where the extension is built in by "default" on mobile devices so you just type in "dnforum" and it takes you to the .mobi version of the site if you are on a mobile device.

That to me is where the potential value lies. I only have one mobi, my brand name, but if the above happens - and I think there is a strong possibility from what I have read - mobi could be huge in time. If it doesn't, I doubt it will be.

But hey, this is what "speculation" is all about. If everyone speculated on the same thing it would become pointless speculating!

I don't quite see why everyone is so upset by what other people think to be honest. You either want to invest or you don't, so why are so many people so bothered about what other people do?

Like Richard I work in the Wireless industry too, and have visibility in PoR and PoI for ALL major phone vendors - up to 2009 there's NO .mobi button and there's NO .mobi autocomplete of address... so please let's move on and find something better to convince me that .mobi is worth the hype all you flippers at NPs and DNF brag about...
 

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I remember in the beginning .mobi hypesters made it sound like this was a foregone conclusion. I don't see it happening. It would be funny if they sent anything without a dot to .com. :)

My Sidekick 3 phone on a T-Mobile internet plan defaults to the dot com.......


I still like MOBI :)
 

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Wow, this thread just ridiculous. I applaud some of the efforts .mobi has made to try and establish itself, but this extension will always be just small potatoes for domain investors for 4 major reasons:

#1 - established companies and large investors don't NEED .mobi. Thus they would not be willing to spend large sums of money buying one as they could simply create m.domain.com or domain.com/mobile with their existing site (among many other options). USA Today is a great example here not wasting their time and simply promoting usatoday.com/mobile in full page ads with HEAVY frequency. In other words, the mass branding AGAINST .mobi is much stronger than for it.

#2 - Anyone who thinks the iPhone and full mobile web surfing is just a fad is living in a dream. Apple isn't some small start up company with a crazy idea - it's a major product introducing the new STANDARD in mobile web surfing. Oh yea, and a guy named Frank Schilling thinks .mobi doesn't matter either http://frankschilling.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/05/why_mobi_doesnt.html

#3 - An earlier point was made that it's easier for a company to brand domain.mobi then domain.com/mobi (or mobile.domain.com) and there is no evidence of this and it could quite likely be just the opposite. In fact .mobi may be even HARDER to have to brand from scratch. People don't even know .mobi exists and then is it .mobe? or .moby? ...

#4 - If .info were launched today for the first time you'd see the same big sales as .mobi. Hype combined with reseller dollars only.

Can you make a little money off of .mobi? Sure, and so can those with .info and .biz domains, but it's all just small potatoes...
 

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My Sidekick 3 phone on a T-Mobile internet plan defaults to the dot com.......

There you go. I can predict the future. :)

People don't even know .mobi exists and then is it .mobe? or .moby? ...

Good point, it doesn't pass the radio test.


If you haven't dumped your .mobis, wake up and smell the coffee. It's time to dump. :)
 

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A great quote from Frank:

"I really wish .mobi investors well.. if you can buy a great .mobi cheap then more power to you as you try to flip it to somebody, but I genuinely feel for folks who wrongly backed up the truck believing the ext. would provide some technical advantage. The iphone is going to redefine the mobile browsing standard and it shows .mobi gets little if any edge."

.mobi will have it's place, but much smaller than the starter of this thread believes. Don't quit your day job :)
 

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Regarding the iphone it only effects the U.S. market right now. You can't say its a failure as you live in Japan and don't know current cell phone trends in the U.S......

Um..... Im American, and yes, our research does work with the mobile industry worldwide including the US.

Regarding .mobi - your statements are pathetic...... Why can't they just register a second .jp?

Pathetic!? Didnt you even graduate junior high!? If one thing is taken, you cant take the other. "name" and "branding" is very important. If your company name is "Burapi" (is short for Brad Pitt in Japanese) and another company owns "Burapi.jp", what would you do!? the company cant go to WIPO for this cause they cant make the justicfication on a Japanese name as being generic nickname.

.jp is used as mobile phones as co.jp is used for the pc site. but with all of the hundreds of thousands of mobile website companies opening up, mobile websites with the .jp extension are just too damn long and hard to remember. So these companies are moving to .mobi.

You you say that what I wrote was pathetic?

.pro refers to professionals rather than professions
.fm is Micronesia and is a perfect example of how one sees the hype rather than reality.

Get yourself Re-educated

whatever. the point is .mobi you educated me.

Mobile, it really says a lot about how convinced you are in the strength of the extension when you are worried about people disturbing sales in a non sales thread and even disturbing the entire mobile website business itself by simply posting their opinion on one domain forum.
Like i said, people who know little about the mobile industry is posting just a simple opinion. Anyone reading about .mobi will see this thread. With what was written from .mobi haters like "its a stupid extension, i dont know why people buy them", DOES disturb sales.

Ranting? Crying? Take alook at your own post genius. BTW, those of us calling .mobi a lot of hype aren't looking for bargain mobi's, we're looking for some common sense coming from the charlatans that keep pumping it.
ok genius, I aint hyping it up. But im not going to let these threads put my investment down by uneducated opinions about the mobile industry. I showed facts, but i havent seen any from the others. No hyping.

When you sale something like MyDomain.net, you dont see .mobi owners posting negative informaiton about .net, do you?

If you dont like .mobi, mind your own business.


I think we cant agree regardless of how much we post. :rolleyes:
 

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MOBI was born on September 26th, 2006.

Now at 8 months old here are 5 reasons why MOBI triumphs:

1.) MAJOR Corporations brand MOBI

Ing.mobi
Fordca.mobi
Deutsch-Bank.mobi
StateFarm.mobi
Time.mobi
MSN.mobi
TWC.mobi (The Weather Channel)
BofA.mobi
Baidu.mobi
Forbes.mobi
Cisco.mobi
NBA.mobi
BMW.mobi
FoxNews.mobi
RollsRoyce.mobi
Barclays.mobi
BusinessWeek.mobi
Orange.mobi
Intel.mobi
BenettonPress.mobi
PayPal.mobi
Hilton.mobi
AllState.mobi
Amtrak.mobi
Polo.mobi
CNNMoney.mobi
Ferrari.mobi
& countless others

2.) Dot Mobi Investors & Sponsors endorse MOBI
Ericsson.mobi
Google.mobi
GSMworld.mobi
Nokia.mobi
Samsungmobile.mobi
SonyEricsson.mobi
Syniverse.mobi
T-mobile.mobi
Tim.mobi
Vodafone.mobi
Visa (mobi in development)

3.)$xxx,xxx & $xx,xxx MOBI sales transacted
$200,000 Flowers.mobi
$126,000 SportsBook.mobi
$100,000 Fun.mobi
$85,000 RealEstate.mobi
$70,000 Stocks.mobi
$52,000 Casinos.mobi
$49,000 Girls.mobi
$41,000 Singles.mobi
$40,000 Hot.mobi
$27,000 StockQuotes.mobi
$23,600 Cams.mobi
$23,000 Pics.mobi
$21,000 Pizza.mobi
$19,000 Directions.mobi
$16,500 MusicVideos.mobi
$13,000 Party.mobi
$11,000 Airfare.mobi
$10,500 Cam.mobi

4.) The mTLD will issue Premium MOBIs to EndUsers

News.mobi, Weather.mobi, Ringtones.mobi, Sports.mobi & hundreds more MOBIs will be allocated via RFP

The mTLD does not issue these MOBI RFP domains to speculators or MOBI fanboys. These RFP Premium MOBIs will be issued perhaps, to the likes of ESPN?(i.e. Sports.mobi), YouTube(Videos.mobi), GE(Appliances.mobi), Starbucks(Coffee.mobi), Walmart(Shopping.mobi),etc, etc.

These RFP Premium MOBIs ensure that endusers will develop rich content via the Mobile Web utilizing the MOBI brand consistently across all major industries.

5.) The Secret Weapon

Edelman.

Edelman is the premier global PR powerhouse. Edelman launched Edelman.mobi.

Client brands include: Orange, UPS, AllState, xBOX, Vivendi, Johnson & Johnson, The Recording Academy, AXE, Pfizer, Dove, Motorola, Oracle and plenty more.....btw another client is MOBI

You are welcome to learn more about Edelman here
http://www.edelman.com/about_us/welcome/

Rome wasn't built in a day, neither was MOBI. However, day by day, the MOBI brand will continue to be built across the globe from China to the UK to India to the U.S. by Developers (i.e. dotmobiz.mobi) & MAJOR Endusers (i.e. Orange.mobi) and therefore, as the years unfold MOBI will become increasingly ubiquitous around the world.

Look, MOBI is not a technological breakthrough but more technologically useless things have caught on.

dotCom is KING, but dotMOBI has positioned itself as a very viable alternative in the mobile space.

Michael
 

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Guys,

I have to confess:

I'm the mobi investor since the landrush. Can't stop thinking about regging "just one more - all I need is just one more".

Please do not hate me.
 

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dotCom is KING, but dotMOBI has positioned itself as a very viable alternative in the mobile space.

Michael

What ever happened to the .mobi is the new .org BS? Why don't you ask your leader Jeremy why even he stopped saying that and has been VERY silent on the .mobi front?

We're gonna have sooooooo much fun with you guys come renewal dates...!
 

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1.) MAJOR Corporations brand MOBI

Ing.mobi
Deutsch-Bank.mobi
StateFarm.mobi
MSN.mobi
TWC.mobi (The Weather Channel)
BofA.mobi
Baidu.mobi
NBA.mobi
BMW.mobi
FoxNews.mobi
RollsRoyce.mobi
Barclays.mobi
BusinessWeek.mobi
Orange.mobi
Intel.mobi
BenettonPress.mobi
PayPal.mobi
Hilton.mobi
AllState.mobi
Amtrak.mobi
CNNMoney.mobi
Ferrari.mobi

$ paid for these .mobis = likely 0


3.)$xxx,xxx & $xx,xxx MOBI sales transacted
$200,000 Flowers.mobi
$126,000 SportsBook.mobi
$100,000 Fun.mobi
$85,000 RealEstate.mobi
$70,000 Stocks.mobi
$52,000 Casinos.mobi
$49,000 Girls.mobi
$41,000 Singles.mobi
$40,000 Hot.mobi
$27,000 StockQuotes.mobi
$23,600 Cams.mobi
$23,000 Pics.mobi
$21,000 Pizza.mobi
$19,000 Directions.mobi
$16,500 MusicVideos.mobi
$13,000 Party.mobi
$11,000 Airfare.mobi
$10,500 Cam.mobi

The poor suckers left holding the bag.


If you haven't noticed, .mobi panic has set in. The big dump is deflating the hot air balloon.
 

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What ever happened to the .mobi is the new .org BS? ...!

I buried it and all your BS in your Texas backwoods

Why don't you ask your leader Jeremy why even he stopped saying that and has been VERY silent on the .mobi front?

Not true. I encourage you to visit the other forum.

Poor Maroulis, MOBI is winning the day and I love that it bothers you :)
 
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