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can the president bribe some one? - is that legal?

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Do you really think this is anything new? Why do you think Hillary is secretary of state?

I'm sure if I really wanted to research it I could find many more - from both sides.
 

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So, they are all the same!
 

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Listened to NPR the other day talking about the history of offering "seats" and positions for something.

Look, most people know that a large, or very large, contribution to a candidate is going to get you favors.

Also, found this piece that really explains what is going on and why there is no crime here, plus - since when is a job offer a bribe?

Interesting perspectives even from Bushite attorney and legal peeps:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201005280008

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http://www.npr.org/blogs/politicalj...kawa-rejects-reagan-offer-to-drop-out-for-job
 

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Also, found this piece that really explains what is going on and why there is no crime here, plus - since when is a job offer a bribe?

Interesting perspectives even from Bushite attorney and legal peeps:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201005280008

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There is NO crime here because George Sorros of MediaMatters says so? George Sorros, the man who's central focus in life was getting Obama elected at any cost?

Priceless...

Is this where you get your information? It's no wonder your so wrong about everything....

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I'm sure if I really wanted to research it I could find many more - from both sides.

Aside from Nixon.... I look forward seeing a recent case where a Republican President tried to corrupt the outcome of an election.
 

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Aside from Nixon.... I look forward seeing a recent case where a Republican President tried to corrupt the outcome of an election.
...Not a president at the time but Florida 2000? Wow some shite was going on down there.
 

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...Not a president at the time but Florida 2000? Wow some shite was going on down there.

I was referring to a Republican, Al Gore is a Democrat.

He almost got away with it too.
 

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I think moving these discussions to the Platinum Forum is probably the biggest scandal in DNF history, except for all the others!
 

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can the president bribe some one? - is that legal?.

The government(s) bribe the populace constantly through social welfare programs.
Might as well be buying votes outright.
 

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Any politician who promises "tax cuts" is essentially offering a bribe for his vote, when you think about it. That's every government entity is now deep in debt.
 

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:pound:There is NO crime here because George Sorros of MediaMatters says so? George Sorros, the man who's central focus in life was getting Obama elected at any cost?
It's obvious you don't read, clearly obvious you do not do not comprehend what little you did read, and perhaps there are not enough pictures for you...

but here is an excerpt from the first link I posted...

Bush ethics lawyer calls claim that a job offer is a "bribe" "difficult to support." In a post on the Legal Ethics Forum blog, former Bush administration chief ethics lawyer Richard Painter wrote: "The allegation that the job offer was somehow a 'bribe' in return for Sestak not running in the primary is difficult to support."
 

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Aside from Nixon.... I look forward seeing a recent case where a Republican President tried to corrupt the outcome of an election.

So what you're saying is aside from someone who you're admitting did it (since you don't want to hear about it) you want to hear about someone (else) who did it?

You also had to inclue "recent" - do ones in the past don't count? Like this:
http://americanhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_stolen_presidential_election_of_1876

People who want examples but put limitations on where the examples can come from are already admitting that there's information out there they don't want to be seen.

If you really want to get technical, companies and other entities give millions in campaign contributions to politicians that support their adgenda or agree to give them advantages (and this is on both sides) allowing them better commericals etc.. thus manipulating the voting public - how is this not trying to maipulate the eldctions? Don't beleive me?

Just look at who gave money to Olympia Snowe. Hmm, why would Microsoft give her $12,000? She's from Maine, a low electoral vote state that isn't even near where most of MS's business is. Now, why did she come up with the Snowe bill?

NEITHER side is clean and both sides take bribes.

As for the 2000 election - we can mainly blame the media on that one. They announced that Gore won Florida while the polls were still open and very busy in places like Pensacola and the rest of the panhandle.
 

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So what you're saying is...
...she does not read what is posted.

That same link and article I posted goes into detail in drawing the comparison between Obama/Sestak and Reagan/Hayakawa

Reagan administration reportedly offered job for candidate to step down

Reagan adviser reportedly offered CA senator a job with the administration "if he decided not to seek re-election." A November 25, 1981, Associated Press article (from the Nexis database) reported that President Reagan's political adviser Ed Rollins planned to offer former California Sen. S.I. Hayakawa a job in the administration in exchange for not seeking re-election.


Admittedly, Bush did it a little differently.

He had federal US Attorneys fired and replaced them with republicans.

The White House approves all U.S. attorneys, who function as the federal government's chief prosecutors in 93 jurisdictions around the country. As political appointees, they serve "at the pleasure of the President," and can be replaced, at least theoretically, at any time for any reason.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1597085,00.html#ixzz0ptajFzOT

The reason for the firings?

To tilt the level playing field towards the GOP in close elections or to conduct investigations into Dem candidates.

Yet another sacked U.S. attorney, John McKay of Seattle, declared that a top aide to Rep. Doc Hastings, the former Republican chairman of the House Ethics Committee, had called him to ask detailed questions about a politically charged investigation McKay was conducting into the disputed 2004 election of Washington state's Democratic Gov. Christine Gregoire. Hastings and his aide have denied the allegation.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1597085,00.html#ixzz0ptbHqCkw
 

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...she does not read what is posted.

I read plenty, I just choose NOT to read from NON-Credible news sources that slant the truth, Articles with NO name of who wrote it, Articles put out by George Sorros and his band of leftist lunatics.... This might be a good place for idiots like you to get their information, but it's NOT for me.

That same link and article I posted goes into detail in drawing the comparison between Obama/Sestak and Reagan/Hayakawa

It goes into what? "DETAIL"? ..:lol: That thing you call a "Article" is loaded with Distortion and leaves out plenty of DETAIL.... Failing to tell the whole story, The story George Sorros doesn't want the reader to know.

And you fall for it HOOK, LINE and SINKER.... This is SO like you Doc, Latching onto a slanted and distorted story and posting it here. Deceiving the reader.

Here's a more a FACTUAL story regarding Reagan and Hayakawa; This story and the Sestack Scandal DON'T even compare;


Did Reagan Offer a Senator a Job If He Agreed to Not Run for Re-election in 1982?
June 03, 2010 10:06 AM


In efforts to defend President Obama from the controversies involving Rep. Joe Sestak, D-Penn., and former Colorado speaker of the House Andrew Romanoff -- Democratic Senate candidates whom the White House made efforts to coax out of their challenges to incumbent Democratic Senators -- the White House and its allies have argued that a similar offer was made by President Ronald Reagan's White House when trying to coax a weak incumbent out of his re-election race.

But the Reagan White House official involved tells ABC News that that's not true, and he’s supported by press accounts at the time.

Some background: In 1981, it was very clear that Sen. Samuel Ichiye (S.I.) Hayakawa, R-Calif., might not win re-election. Then 75, Hayakawa was trailing in polls to then-Reps. Paul McCloskey, R-Calif., and Barry Goldwater Jr., R-Calif.

President Reagan's daughter Maureen was also talking about running in the Republican primary to challenge him, as was Rep. Bob Dornan, R-Calif. The Democratic nominee would likely be then-Gov. Jerry Brown.

A New York Times profile of Hayakawa from around that time noted that the Senator "is ridiculed now as 'Sleepin' Sam.' He had a penchant, widely publicized and a source of glee to television's Johnny Carson, among others, for nodding off." Hayakawa acknowledged that the image of him "can be very, very damaging.''

The Republican senator said he might not run for reelection of still trailed in polls at the end of 1981. A November 1981 California Poll had Goldwater with 22 percent, trailed by San Diego Mayor Pete Wilson with 19 percent, McCloskey with 18 percent, and Hayakawa with 15 percent. Dornan, Maureen Reagan and other candidates all had less than 10 percent.

Onto this scene in November 1981, enter Ed Rollins, Reagan's incoming political director.

Asked by an Associated Press reporter if President Reagan would offer Hayakawa a job if he decided not to run for reelection, Rollins, underlined that the White House was not negotiating with Hayakwa but said: "If the senator chooses, on his own initiative, not to run for re-election, I'm sure the president would be willing to offer him a substantial administration post."

Rollins told the AP reporter "it has never been discussed" so it would be "purely speculative to say" what job Hayakawa might be offered. "We are clearly not encouraging it," he said.

Asked to respond, Hayakawa said, "I'm not interested... I do not want to be an ambassador, and I do not want an administration post." In a statement, Hayakawa said, "I have not contacted the White House in regard to any administration or ambassadorial post, and they have not been in contact with me."

Hayakawa dropped out of the race in January 1982. Wilson went on to win the GOP nomination and defeat Brown. Hayakawa was never appointed to a position in the Reagan administration. He died in 1992.

Reached for comment today, Rollins told ABC News that the AP interview took place "when I was very inexperienced and didn't understand you don't answer hypothetical questions."

Hayakawa was facing a grueling primary, he noted, and "I was asked 'Would there be any place for Hayakawa if he left the Senate?'" And he gave his answer.

"The senator had many friends in the administration including the president," Rollins recalled. "We never made an overture to him, there was never an overture to anybody by Hayakawa personally, it was purely a top-of-the head answer. We did not get involved in primaries."

Even with the president's daughter running, he added.

So what does Rollins think about the Sestak and Romanoff controversies, in which Republicans are alleging White House misconduct by discussing possible jobs with Sestak if they didn’t challenge Sen. Arlen Specter, D-Penn., and Sen. Michael Bennet, D-Colo., respectively?

He's skeptical of any allegations of malfeasance, he says.

"My sense is they're smart enough to look very carefully at the law," he says of the Obama political shop.

That said, "it's a little heavy-handed. My sense is Rahm is still running the congressional committee," looking for the strongest candidates in each race.

But it has backfired. "Sestak had a great victory and he's spent the last two weeks talking about this."

-- Jake Tapper

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalp...-he-agreed-to-not-run-for-reelection-in-.html


she does not read

Reading your LIES just gets old after a while.


You also had to inclue "recent" - do ones in the past don't count? Like this:
http://americanhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_stolen_presidential_election_of_1876

You had to go back 134 years Draggar? Thank you for proving my point. :)

Anytime you want to dig up Rutherford Hayes and put him on trial, let me know.... I'll provide the shovels.


People who want examples but put limitations on where the examples can come from are already admitting that there's information out there they don't want to be seen.

NOT in this case, I just didn't want to rehash an election 134 years ago where times have completely changed... I also didn't want to waste time discussing Watergate when I already AGREE what Richard Nixon did was in fact criminal.

Just look at who gave money to Olympia Snowe. Hmm, why would Microsoft give her $12,000? She's from Maine, a low electoral vote state that isn't even near where most of MS's business is. Now, why did she come up with the Snowe bill?

Olympia Snowe is a leftist pig, She's NO Republican... It was her and Arlen Specter who were the ONLY two Republicans (Phonies) that voted for the $787 BILLION Dollar Stimulus. The Woman is a fraud and the sooner she's kicked out of office, the better.
 
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I read plenty
My, oh my, you are Precious.

The first article I posted has these as authors and sources:

PERSONALITIES:
Gretchen Carlson
Jeffrey T. Kuhner
SHOWS:
FOX & Friends
NETWORKS:
Fox News Channel
The Drudge Report
The Washington Times
redstate.com


Yup, non credible.

You post an article from the New York Times that I mention is not signed and just an editorial and you claim you know who wrote it.

You post a photograph in another thread that is far from the truth yet, you did not know the source or the event, or any of the other people in the image.

You are a classic study of bipolar and possible split personalities.

Reagan administration reportedly offered job for candidate to step down

Reagan adviser reportedly offered CA senator a job with the administration "if he decided not to seek re-election." A November 25, 1981, Associated Press article (from the Nexis database) reported that President Reagan's political adviser Ed Rollins planned to offer former California Sen. S.I. Hayakawa a job in the administration in exchange for not seeking re-election.

From the AP article:

Sen. S.I. Hayakawa on Wednesday spurned a Reagan administration suggestion that if he drops out of the crowded Republican Senate primary race in California, President Reagan would find him a job.

"I'm not interested," said the 75-year-old Hayakawa.

"I do not want to be an ambassador, and I do not want an administration post."

[...]

In an interview earlier this week, Ed Rollins, who will become the president's chief political adviser in January, said Hayakawa would be offered an administration post if he decided not to seek re-election. No offer has been made directly to Hayakawa, Rollins said.

Similarly, Hayakawa said in a statement, "I have not contacted the White House in regard to any administration or ambassadorial post, and they have not been in contact with me."


I presume that because your take you posted has more words, it goes into greater detail about the Reagan/Hayakawa controversy?

Yet, this is credible in your mind?

But the Reagan White House official involved tells ABC News that that's not true, and he’s supported by press accounts at the time.

So you version is not slanted to the truth you want to read and hear?

You're a slug...

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You had to go back 134 years Draggar? Thank you for proving my point. :).
Yeah, what is the point.

1981 - she want's to claim nothing happened to warrant discussion.

Buy, you know that damn new president we have - that SOB is guilty as hell!


Olympia Snowe is a leftist pig because she, well, she...damnit! She sided with the dems on a few issues. And we just can't have that. We are the Party of NO and she is breaking ranks. That leftist Pig ***** is a fraud!

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I am much less concern with someone putting a "bribery" label on this as we know it happens all the times.

I am more concerned with treasonous acts such as outing an active CIA operative.

Bribery? Eh, whatever.

Treason? I have serious issues with.

And why be so hung up on Sorros when all your buddies are quoted in the article?

Hell, even Bush's people say its nothing.

Then again, that should concern the hell out of me coming from an administration who fabricated evidence to invade Iraq, saw nothing wrong with torture, who committed treason, and the largest financial collapse in mankind.

So, I guess if someone from Bush's own inner circle says Obama ought not to worry about anything, Obama should be scared as hell based purely on the previous administration interpretation of what is good and bad, right and wrong, rightious and evil.
 
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