closed Cigar.ws

[izopod]

Just purchased it a few minutes ago. Damn, if it only were a .com. Oh, well, don't have 4.5 million. For $9.95 it will make a damn good Cigar Web Shoppe

...market your names like you had a name to market

 

[izopod]

Originally posted by izopod
Just purchased it a few minutes ago.

Domain Name: CIGAR.WS

Registrant: Registered through Go Daddy Software, Inc. (GoDaddy.com)

Domain created on 27-JUN-03
Domain last updated on 27-JUN-03

note: 2 days ago this name was not avail. Must have just been released since then ... Damn it. If it only were a .com. :laugh: I could quit my day job. Looks like I will have to put some elbow grease into this one...optimization, content, ugh!!!

 

[NamePopper.com]

Ok man.... this .ws stuff is starting to get carried away. I feel like a small handful of .ws supporters are forcing this extension down my throat lately - and if I didn't dislike the extension before - I surely will if this force feeding continues. Please stop it before I have to hurt somebody.

*Disclaimer: for anybody new here - we know each other - so it's ok that I tell him to shut his .ws mouth - now that he has apparently lost his mind and resorted to answering his own appraisal request.

 

[Kid Kool]

I agree with namepopper. Most .ws are hard to even give away. There might be an occasional exception that sells, but these names are available for a reason. If the .ws extension were "improving" then people would not be letting these names drop. It is simple economics. Supply and demand: the suppy of top .ws keywords is high... the demand low. This and the fact that .ws has no type-in traffic, very few established sites or name recognition out side of "domainers", fails the radio test (say .ws out loud three times) all contribute to the shittiness of the extension. I think a name like cars.ws or sex.ws is definitely worth the reg if available, but other than just having a couple of these names just for the hell of it i can't see the point unless you plan on developing. Why bother spending money branding and cultivating a .ws name when that money could be better spent obtaining a .com/.net/.info etc thus saving future marketing costs?

 

[cyphix]

If the .ws extension were "improving" then people would not be letting these names drop.

LOL.... if you weren't aware, lots of nice domains drop including .com's

 

[Kid Kool]

Originally posted by cyphix


LOL.... if you weren't aware, lots of nice domains drop including .com's

the .com names drop for different reasons. .ws domains were regged purely for resale whereas great .com names that drop were once part of companies that went out of business or had websites attached to them. With .ws it is simply a case of people who bought into the idea that .cc etc would be the NEW .coms, and since they missed the .com gold rush they thought they would get in on the ".ws aluminum rush". Also when great .com names drop they are not available for even one second before they are taken whereas .ws names sit around for months before someone is foolish enough to reg one

 

[izopod]

Originally posted by NamePopper.com
Ok man.... this .ws stuff is starting to get carried away. I feel like a small handful of .ws supporters are forcing this extension down my throat lately

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated! :laugh:

Actually I think it's hillarious that you can actually pick up some highly generic domains with a "marketable" extension for less than 10 bucks. Yes, that's right, .ws can be "marketed" to mean something which is a plus. Doesn't matter if domainers don't think it can, it's whether your customers buy into it, which I think they will.

I'm actually thinking about dropping my Canoe.biz name for the Canoe.ws URL. Reason: Everyone coming to my site is thinking I'm in the fricking "Canoe" business. Having the generic "ws" alleviates this problem. Canoe.cc doesn't work, nor does Canoe.bz, or Canoe.tv.

btw: I think I settled on a "Brand Name" for cigar.ws

www.Cigar.ws - Cigar Web Shoppe

 

[UnusedDomains.com]

marketing a .ws takes more than genius. It takes a stupid buyer

 

[Honan]

Great name for someone selling cigars from France to UK

Advertise on ebay UK or ebay France...Expect $200

Also great to see the reaction WS gets in the DNF!!
If everyone just ignored discussions on generic one word names.ws , then $9.95 might not be such a great investment

 

[izopod]

Originally posted by UnusedDomains.com
marketing a .ws takes more than genius. It takes a stupid buyer

Well as with all disagreements, one side is right, and the other wrong. Given the fact that one word "Generic" words have higher recall than two or three word names such as "UnusedDomains", or "AngerMISmanagement", I'll take my chances on my customers remembering the .ws part of the name.

btw: IF anyone mistakes my comments about the .ws name as "pumping it up", you might find it interesting that I am a developer, not a "domainer". I'm developing several other domains, such as Anywhere.biz, Protection.biz, Algebra.us, Canoe.ws, Cigar.ws and Retirement.ws

more btw: Is Dnforum.com a type-in name? It's a .com after all.

Answer: Not to anyone who isn't familiar with the site.
"Word-of-Mouth" Marketing by link was how most people found this site. After they visited the site then most people began to "type-in" the name. or put it in their "favorites".

Do not fear if you don't have a true "type-in" name. Most people don't have such a name, where the amount of traffic would be considered "valuable". Anyone not having a .com will want to "optizmize" their site in a way that the ending will be remembered.

Most people who don't get to your site through "type-in" means, get the "404 page from hell" because they couldn't remember "verbatim" the sites name...not from mistyping the "ending". Was that "unusedDomain.com", or "UsedDomains.com", or "UnusedDomains.com? DO you care to take a guess as to how long your customers will stick around to get the name right? About 1.5 tries! (lol)

Clearly if you have a generic non-com name, you can greatly increase your chance of having your customers correctly type-in your sites name by "marketing it correctly": www.Cigar.ws - Cigar Web Shoppe---the .ws adds a sense of arrogance as well as "Abbreviated Cognitive Recall" or (ACR). ergo ws=Web Shoppe -- Using the non-american version "shoppe" is even part of my marketing plan for this future Cigar site. "Optimizing your Domain" will be a phrase that is going to be heard more often in the future. (izopod, circa 2003)

izopodian philosophy: Stupid people are the ones who act like "sheep".

 

[Tippy]

I almost regged it the other day but decided to pass, I think it was worth picking up for $9.95

Mike

 

[izopod]

Originally posted by izopod


Using the non-american version "shoppe" is even part of my marketing plan for this future Cigar site.

We americans hate foreigners, but love foreign products to include fine wines, cigars, etc. It's why we have the largest trade deficit in the world, that and because we signed some pretty "shitty" trade deals. (j/k about hating foreigners)

www.cigar.ws (foreign, or domestic... I ask you which is it?)


izopodian philosophy: Stupid people breed, smart people just do it.

 

[GT Web]

reg fee.... .ws is still worth 1/50 of a .com - and the name would be much better as cigars.ws

 

[NameTower]

Originally posted by kidkool
Most .ws are hard to even give away....

I have one .ws . Althought its not worth as much as cigar.com would be pr not even close. The domain is pretty close if no tequal to "video-game.net". My .ws is worth a heck of a lot more than $100 . Yellow.ws. But anyways the point is that this name is worth much moier than reg fee. Also if anyone feels like giving domains away for free, just pm me and I'll be glad to take them off your hands. Therefore making it easy on others who have a hard tiome giving their domains away


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[izopod]

Originally posted by GT Web
reg fee.... .ws is still worth 1/50 of a .com - and the name would be much better as cigars.ws

Cigar.ws is better than Cigars.ws, however Cigars.com is better than Cigar.com.

Watch and learn...

Cigar Web Shoppe (www.cigar.ws), versus Cigars Web Shoppe (www.cigars.ws). Cigars dot com Vs Cigar (singular) dot com.

When you are using the ending as part of your "brand name" as many domain holders will in the future, the singular vs plural argument doesn't always hold true like they do for .com endings.

 

[izopod]

Some words of wisdom. Hopefully you can see how this situation would relate to any domain name even generic .ws names:

If you buy a $5 block of steel, there are many different things you can make with it, and depending upon what you do with it will determine the value of that block of steel. One can take that block of steel and make horseshoes. Then the total value from that $5 block of steel will be $50.

Someone else will take a $5 block of steel and make sewing needles and the total value is $5000!

But someone else will make Swiss watch springs from that $5 block of steel. Do you know what that worth is? 500,000 It's the same raw material, but three ways to make it prosperous.

 

[UnusedDomains.com]

Originally posted by izopod


Well as with all disagreements, one side is right, and the other wrong. Given the fact that one word "Generic" words have higher recall than two or three word names such as "UnusedDomains", or "AngerMISmanagement", I'll take my chances on my customers remembering the .ws part of the name.

1. AngerMisManagement.com receives more hits than you know, buddy. Put it down all you want, but it has an Alexa ranking of 375K and received 4900 uniques this month so far... can you say the same about your .ws? Didn't think so.

2. You come here asking for an appraisal. You mat not agree with the appraisals you receive, but you asked for them. No need to become personal and attack other members based on what domains they own.

3. You talk about developed value, but your domain is not developed as we speak, so all we can evaluate is the DN itself.

This being said, best of luck to you selling it. I hope you make a ton of cash with it.

 

[izopod]

Originally posted by UnusedDomains.com



1. AngerMisManagement.com receives more hits than you know, buddy. Put it down all you want, but it has an Alexa ranking of 375K and received 4900 uniques this month so far... can you say the same about your .ws? Didn't think so.

Hey, if you are doing well with "AngerMismanagement.com" the traffic didn't come there on it's own. "AngerMismanagement" is not a "type-in" word. So how are people getting to your site? My guess is through some very hard work.... Which leads me back to my point. Having a generic ".ws" name alone won't guarantee success just like most other names. If you do all your homework, and work hard to keep it high in the SE's that $9.95 investment will seem like a drop in the bucket. This is from a developer's point of view. I got out of the reselling business a long time ago.

Good luck to you as well.