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Jeff Rybak

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Hey JP. Off the top of my head I think the reserve is more like $7m. Sometimes the folks who are really out of the loop on accounting practices like to lump an additional $5m in there. That's roughly the amount we have in a deferred revenue account for multi-year renewals that haven't happened yet. So while we do have that money in hand, we haven't really earned it yet and therefore can't spend it. Though it does earn interest, which is nice.

Look, any big sum of money is going to sound like a lot. But the reason a reserve is pegged to a certain period of operating expenses is because that's what really matters. Obviously a very small business needs a lot less in reserve than a large business. In CIRA's case, yeah, we do run a sizable operation. I believe our annual operating budget (not counting payments into the reserve) is something like $8.5-9m. So we're almost at 12 months now.

Note, btw, that all figures are approximate because I don't have the budget right in front of me. It will be presented at the AGM in just a few weeks in any case.

Seriously, I'm very sympathetic to the view that our marketing efforts haven't been very effective. I've certainly got that point here already, and I'm interested in more ideas of what we could be doing differently. But tying that discontent (which is valid) to objections that we're carrying an operating reserve only, in my opinion, distracts from the important point and weakens the argument. In fact, if I think about other directors on the board, it's really the voices who are loudest on our marketing failures who immediately defend the operating reserve.

The folks who don't like the operating reserve most are the ones who want to spend it on other stuff. All that public do-gooder stuff that some folks think CIRA does but that we actually don't - like fighting online scams, child pornography and predators, stopping spam, etc. Although I do see a small and contained role for CIRA on some such issues, I don't believe we should be deliberately taxing our registrants to throw millions at public works projects. So again, ideas about what CIRA should and shouldn't be doing are very appropriate, but unfortunately when you've got cash there are 101 proposals for how we can or should be spending it.

What that cash is really doing, by sitting in the bank, is protecting the stability of the DNS. We have redundancy on redundancy when it comes to our servers and our protocols. A cash reserve represents a financial redundancy. And I do agree with it. Resellers would prefer we market more to drive up the end user market. PPC folks would prefer we cut the bulk rate to the absolute bone so that they can monatize traffic on a larger strata of domains. But really, our job is to protect the stability of the DNS. If that was ever threatened or disrupted the loss would be massive.

And remember, ultimately that stability is very important to the resale market also. If there was even a hint that the dot-ca namespace was unstable or less reliable than other registries and extensions, the value of the domains would plummet. Our reputation doesn't just rest on marketing but also on responsible management and accounting practices.

Anyway, keep it coming. I'm not exactly feeling the love here lately, but I'm still interested in what you have to say.
 
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Hi Jeff, thanks for all your replies. I was wondering why did the one letter or number like 1.ca or a.ca never got released?

Also why some domains gets reserved by Cira like west.ca which is not anymore. In the past it was saying:

01043 The domain name provided is on a list of restricted domain names that are not available for registration. Contact CIRA for more information.

Contacted them twice never got a reply. Call once and when I asked the question, the guy asked me if I had any other questions without giving me an answer to the first one.

Who decide which domains are not released to the public and for what reason? I know west.ca will be release shortly or already is but really like to know why it was reserved.

Thanks.

D.
 

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There are a ton of 4-letters on hold, (not 3-letters, not 5-letters, just 4) CIRA doesn't say why.
(I have a client who wants one???)
kber.ca, iteb.ca, etc.
Looks like they did release the hold on west.ca
 

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What I'm wondering is why they have released it and why it was reserved in the first place? When they get released does it go to tbr or to a fortunate insider? Why was west.bc.ca not reserved and they decided to reserve west.ca? I'm just curious.

D.
 
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Guys you are getting yourself into a frenzy without facts.

Both west and boss were released to TBR (or their provincial extensions which give you the right to the .ca). As you mentioned there are others.

I called CIRA and they gave me an explanation, that they reserved those domains because of a virus...and they gave me the name of the virus. They didnt say more and I dont frankly understand it but thats what they said.

Being me, I asked for the restricted list, but they said it was confidential. THAT makes no sense to me but I trust these domains will not go to an insider, that whenever they decide to release them, they will go on TBR.
 
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wait a minute... they release names to TBR ??

i thought they just make it available to register
 

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I called CIRA and they gave me an explanation, that they reserved those domains because of a virus...and they gave me the name of the virus. They didnt say more and I dont frankly understand it but thats what they said.

Being me, I asked for the restricted list, but they said it was confidential. THAT makes no sense to me but I trust these domains will not go to an insider, that whenever they decide to release them, they will go on TBR.

Ah. That makes sense then. I was looking into this myself, but Wzhxvy's comment tells me what I need to know. A late iteration of the Conficker virus was reverse engineered and discovered to be looking for further commands from a long list of potential domains. The idea, apparently, was to create a long list of potential command sites. They came from a variety of TLDs and one was dot-ca. One of the stop gap measures adopted to block this was to halt the registration of any domains on the list that weren't already registered. At one point this was confidential information (as security measures often are) but now apparently it's public news on Wikipedia so I imagine my duty of confidentiality has ended. Here's the article - this would be Conficker D we're talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conficker

Many of the domains on the list were four letter domains. No easy explanation as to why. You'd have to ask whoever engineered the virus. I don't believe CIRA ever stopped all four letter domains - just those on the list of potential command sites.

Hope that helps.
 

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What I'm wondering is why they have released it and why it was reserved in the first place? When they get released does it go to tbr or to a fortunate insider? Why was west.bc.ca not reserved and they decided to reserve west.ca? I'm just curious.

D.

west.bc.ca was the TBR. I don't know if west.ca was ever registered, but it was definitely not existing when west.bc.ca went TBR.
That would mean the virus idea would be difficult to apply to west.ca.
I could see someone reg'ing a few tossable domains for virus purposes, but it's pretty hard to believe that someone that owned west.ca (if it existed) would virus it and then abandon it.
 

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You have to own west.bc.ca to register west.ca. Given that west.ca was not registered at the time of this virus, then it was not released until west.bc.ca was released. That makes sense to me.

CIRA rules are the the provincial domain will not drop in TBR if the .ca is owned. So they would be breaking their rules by having west.ca available because that would mean they would be deceiving whoever picks up west.bc.ca in TBR....
 

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You have to own west.bc.ca to register west.ca. Given that west.ca was not registered at the time of this virus, then it was not released until west.bc.ca was released. That makes sense to me.

CIRA rules are the the provincial domain will not drop in TBR if the .ca is owned. So they would be breaking their rules by having west.ca available because that would mean they would be deceiving whoever picks up west.bc.ca in TBR....

You must not remember when west.bc.ca dropped.
west.ca was restricted for a few months.
http://www.dnforum.com/f510/good-ca-names-becoming-impossible-find-thread-369893.html#post1719975
http://www.dnforum.com/f510/good-ca-names-becoming-impossible-find-thread-369893.html#post1720457
 

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Oh I remember as I called CIRA about it...west.ca was restricted until several months after but only the owner of west.bc.ca can register it.
 

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The thing is that those domains were reserved years before they ever heard of the virus so this explaination doesn't work.

They released west.ca, why they didn't released the others?

About the 1 character domain question, why are they not available already and if they ever make them available, will they go to tbr?

Thanks.

D.
 
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The thing is that those domains were reserved years before they ever heard of the virus so this explaination doesn't work.

They released west.ca, why they didn't released the others?

D.

Well, we need to clarify exactly what we're talking about here. In the case of a situation where the secondary extension is registered already (west.bc.ca) then yeah, west.ca is effectively unavailable. But it isn't reserved by CIRA in that same sense.

The reason why a number of domains were reserved for a while from the virus is as stated. I can't recall offhand precisely when that was done. It was somewhat before the public ever learned that the Conficker botnet was in danger of activating but still isn't a very long time ago. The community response to Conficker, btw, was actually very good. A number of players were involved, and that's one of the unheralded things that the staff at CIRA did very well and deserve some credit for.

If there are questions about CIRA's few reserved domains beyond that I can do my best to address them. But already we've gotten a bit confused between domains that are unavailable for other reasons and domains that CIRA's actually withholding. There are very few of the later. I'm not sure about the history behind the one-digit domains. I'm finding out about that.

Sorry about any lack of specificity here, but we're talking about several things at once now.
 

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Well Jeff I'll give you this - you are the only person I've ever seen on any domain forum from CIRA.

If CIRA was a public company and .ca domains were stock, we here would be the majority shareholders, so let me say it's about time someone from the board addressed us! :eek:k:
 

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Wonder why he's here... wait a second as a board member you dont get paid anything do you?

How manyhours does the average board member actually spend on matters concerning CIRA business in a year and what is the compensation like, if any.
 

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Wonder why he's here... wait a second as a board member you dont get paid anything do you?

How manyhours does the average board member actually spend on matters concerning CIRA business in a year and what is the compensation like, if any.

I was wondering when someone would ask that. I've got no problem clarifying it. My T4 from CIRA last year informs me that I was paid $5,800, which is partly an annual retainer and partly a per diem based on meetings. The annual maximum is $8,000.

If y'all think that's flagrant and unreasonable then we'll just agree to disagree, but in fact CIRA has lost very effective board members simply because they couldn't justify the time commitment relative to their other professional obligations. Speaking personally I'm not complaining but then I'm not a partner at a major law firm, as one director was until last year. Try to justify $8,000/year when your usual fee is several hundred dollars an hour. Not easy.

That's for a number of meetings each year (say 7-8) that will each entail at least one full day of travel and work, overnight stay, and then return home. Committee commitments vary, but may or may not also demand full day trips. And then whatever reading and prep time is involved. I don't know how entirely to calculate my time committment when I'm in Ottawa for more than a day. Can't claim I'm working the entire time but I also have trouble doing anything else while I'm there. I'd figure I spend maybe a couple hundred hours on CIRA each year. It's a part-time job.

You know, some folks think that everyone should do a job like this simply from the goodness of their hearts. But actually, people who are willing to assume the professional and legal obligations of serving as a corporate director (theoretically, I could end up personally liable for CIRA) are going to do that for some reason or other. If it isn't financially compensated to at least some reasonable degree it'll just end up self-serving in some other way. When I'm talking to guys who are making a business of the domain market, I expect there to be at least some understanding of compensation for reasonable work, no? If it were in the tens of thousands of dollars I'd expect some backlash, but I personally feel a cap of $8,000/year is reasonable, and I'm not afraid of putting the facts out there.
 
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Jeff, I agree and thank you for coming on here. Your openess and access are appreciated, at least by myself. Thanks.

I have no issue with 8k per year. I think that is fair and reasonable.
 

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Sounds reasonable, hope they let you submit your expenses for travel and what not.
 

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Sounds reasonable, hope they let you submit your expenses for travel and what not.

Oh yeah, let's be honest. Travel is covered as well and I think I've even got a free flight on Porter at this point due to accumulated flight points, even though I usually fly "firm" (the cheapest class of tix). And there's a nice dinner once in a while. I want to be honest with you guys because I genuinely don't think there's anything to hide here.

Disagreements with the way CIRA has been managed at times (particularly, I hope, in the past) are very understandable. I haven't always agreed with it myself. But when it comes to governance I do believe in some reaosnable investment there. Good governance is what keeps management honest. And yeah, without going into HR matters that I really can't comment on directly, if you look at CIRA's top-level staff there's been a lot of turnover lately. That does come from somewhere. We're paying attention.

Hope you folks agree with some investment in governance, as I do, because I am conscious of the fact that I'm spending CIRA's money when I do and I try to return value for that. When I book a flight on Porter or whatever it's very easy to divide by $8.50 (bulk registration rate) and say "well, that's 14 domain registrations there." We all do the math sometimes. I think it keeps us honest.

But I'm glad to know you don't find the pay to be unreasonable.
 

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So in your opinion how many current board member do you feel need replacing? Surly being as honest as you are you cannot feel everyone is doing a crack job so how many do you feel need not be re elected?

To add to this, what do you feel CIRA's biggest blunder has been, executed or not.
 
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