Court denies WLS injunction

[Nexus]

Originally posted by Luc
By the time all you WLS lovers finish scratching your heads in confusion, the giants will have taken all the good WLS slots and you’ll be SOL.

I agree. WLS will be an impossible system for anyone who doesn't use the space between their ears and thinks with WLS, Verisign will be opening up their own personal door-to-door domain name delivery system. Whether they're pro or con WLS, they should be ashamed of themselves, whoever they are. That's life though.

~ Nexus

 

[mole]

Originally posted by Luc
Mike Mann said it himself, not only will WLS save BD a LOT of
money, but it will make the game much easier for them.

What I'm confused with on that thought, luc, is why BD was against WLS in the first place.

Personally, I see 5 reasons :-

1. Drop catchers hate it when the registrant is alerted of possible interest, in this case that a WLS has been placed on his/her name. It alerts them to the value way ahead of time, like a crocodile frantically trashing its tail in the middle of the river when it approaches its prey on the river bank.

2. The serious niche players play YEARS ahead of any possible drop. This is not a game, this is simply a question of having a remote chance of getting the name (often 1 or 2) they have been eyeing for years from established companies that may go bust one day. Multiply that with thousands of WLS registrants who want different things, and you get the picture.

3. Registrars (who will be alerted of WLS placed on their names according to the system) using the WLS as an incentive to prompt a registrant to renew eg. "Dear registrant, a WLS has been placed on your name and this shows it has value which you can't recognise. Why don't you just renew the name with us for a measly $4.95. You stand to earn at least a 1000% profit on your name if you do, if not 1,000,000% profit if you are lucky"

4. More name grabbers will be evolve their techniques rapidly to approach the registrant directly - emails, phone-calls, personal visits to their offices, snail mail. WLS simply alerts, dream on. This, again, is what drop catchers fear most will happen.

5. All the expensive and priviledged RRP arrangements a company has will be obseleted the moment WLS kicks in. The "exclusive boys club" will end overnight. And that thought isn't comforting for those who invested considerable time and big bucks and influence to get that in place.

Of course, this is just an opinion. Let .com prices rise to crazy levels because of this. Let BD wait till they become grandfathers and grandmothers waiting for the elusive buyer if they jack their prices to 50k for every so-called ".com". This will only provide another reason for developers to create a new frontier in a different namespace extension.

Let the future, begin.

 

[clemzonguy]

I’m 100% sure BuyDomains, Ultimate Search and the bunch already have lists of complete zone files with link popularity results and the works of all domains dropping within the next 10 years and they’re itching for WLS to come out.

Maybe if you sold it to them. :evil:

Anyone playing the game on their scale would have done so long ago.

 

[Luc]

Originally posted by DNMole


What I'm confused with on that thought, luc, is why BD was against WLS in the first place.

Personally, I see 5 reasons :-

1. Drop catchers hate it when the registrant is alerted of possible interest, in this case that a WLS has been placed on his/her name. It alerts them to the value way ahead of time, like a crocodile frantically trashing its tail in the middle of the river when it approaches its prey on the river bank.

2. The serious niche players play YEARS ahead of any possible drop. This is not a game, this is simply a question of having a remote chance of getting the name (often 1 or 2) they have been eyeing for years from established companies that may go bust one day. Multiply that with thousands of WLS registrants who want different things, and you get the picture.

3. Registrars (who will be alerted of WLS placed on their names according to the system) using the WLS as an incentive to prompt a registrant to renew eg. "Dear registrant, a WLS has been placed on your name and this shows it has value which you can't recognise. Why don't you just renew the name with us for a measly $4.95. You stand to earn at least a 1000% profit on your name if you do, if not 1,000,000% profit if you are lucky"

4. More name grabbers will be evolve their techniques rapidly to approach the registrant directly - emails, phone-calls, personal visits to their offices, snail mail. WLS simply alerts, dream on. This, again, is what drop catchers fear most will happen.

5. All the expensive and priviledged RRP arrangements a company has will be obseleted the moment WLS kicks in. The "exclusive boys club" will end overnight. And that thought isn't comforting for those who invested considerable time and big bucks and influence to get that in place.

Of course, this is just an opinion. Let .com prices rise to crazy levels because of this. Let BD wait till they become grandfathers and grandmothers waiting for the elusive buyer if they jack their prices to 50k for every so-called ".com". This will only provide another reason for developers to create a new frontier in a different namespace extension.

Let the future, begin.

I absolutely agree. All those (except #5) are the reasons BD is
against WLS. Than again, I'm against WLS, and what have I done
to prevent it? Nothing, just like BD. Talk is cheap, cheaper than
lawyers that's for sure.

Why would BD want change if they're doing so well in the current
system. That's another reason.

I guess all this talk is getting us nowhere since everyone seems
to have a strong opinion either for or against and it'll probably
turn into a flaming contest.

WLS is just around the corner and that's the only way we'll find
who the real winners are going to be.


Luc L. k:

 

[Luc]

Originally posted by clemzonguy


Maybe if you sold it to them. :evil:

Anyone playing the game on their scale would have done so long ago.

Nahh, they don't buy from third parties. They have the resources
and the money to keep zones like that fresh at least once a
month.

It's kind of like trying to sell candy to a candy store. They've got
their own factory and don't need yours.

 

[cyphix]

"Give it a few months and we'll ALL be buying domains from
BuyDomains for mega $xx,xxx, because they'll dictate the prices."


How is that much different to how it is now? You want a name, you have to go pay for it like an end-user @ Pool. I refuse to pay those kind of outrageous prices unless I have plans for the name myself.

"Mike Mann said it himself, not only will WLS save BD a LOT of
money, but it will make the game much easier for them. "

Then why are they AGAINST WLS? (Thanks Mole) :-D

"BD will be able to WLS all decent names, months before they
hit dropping stages, and if WLS law isn’t strict enough they’ll
be backordered years in advance. They’ll still end up saving major
money from the current auction system."

Again, how is this different to now with Snaps? Any real decent name you have to go back atleast 6 months to snap, just for the opportunity of hoping it will drop & then when it does you don't get it.... well, that was a lot of fun wasn't it? Atleast with WLS, if the name does indeed drop, you WILL get it! Whats the odds with snap now? 2% if your not BD, ULT etc? Snap can't even catch medicore names... example... 2 names which were not snapped on the day of the drop I put snaps on.. who did they end up with? I'll give you one guess?.......... BD & Pool respectively.

While WLS may not be perfect, it's a lot better than the current system.

 

[Luc]

Originally posted by cyphix
"Give it a few months and we'll ALL be buying domains from
BuyDomains for mega $xx,xxx, because they'll dictate the prices."


How is that much different to how it is now? You want a name, you have to go pay for it like an end-user @ Pool. I refuse to pay those kind of outrageous prices unless I have plans for the name myself.

"Mike Mann said it himself, not only will WLS save BD a LOT of
money, but it will make the game much easier for them. "

Then why are they AGAINST WLS? (Thanks Mole) :-D

"BD will be able to WLS all decent names, months before they
hit dropping stages, and if WLS law isn’t strict enough they’ll
be backordered years in advance. They’ll still end up saving major
money from the current auction system."

Again, how is this different to now with Snaps? Any real decent name you have to go back atleast 6 months to snap, just for the opportunity of hoping it will drop & then when it does you don't get it.... well, that was a lot of fun wasn't it? Atleast with WLS, if the name does indeed drop, you WILL get it! Whats the odds with snap now? 2% if your not BD, ULT etc? Snap can't even catch medicore names... example... 2 names which were not snapped on the day of the drop I put snaps on.. who did they end up with? I'll give you one guess?.......... BD & Pool respectively.

While WLS may not be perfect, it's a lot better than the current system.

Geez. I hate to get into this again, but if you insist...

How is that much different to how it is now? You want a name, you have to go pay for it like an end-user @ Pool. I refuse to pay those kind of outrageous prices unless I have plans for the name myself.

Because when BD buys a name for $6k, they ask $30k on their
site. Sooo, when you buy from BuyDomains, you buy for more.
That's the difference.

Then why are they AGAINST WLS? (Thanks Mole) :-D

Read my comment 3 posts up. I've already answered this. Being
against WLS and doing nothing to prevent it is just as good as
being for it, it won't make a difference. BD has done nothing to
prevent this, but everything to prepare for it.

Again, how is this different to now with Snaps? Any real decent name you have to go back atleast 6 months to snap, just for the opportunity of hoping it will drop & then when it does you don't get it.... well, that was a lot of fun wasn't it? Atleast with WLS, if the name does indeed drop, you WILL get it! Whats the odds with snap now? 2% if your not BD, ULT etc? Snap can't even catch medicore names... example... 2 names which were not snapped on the day of the drop I put snaps on.. who did they end up with? I'll give you one guess?.......... BD & Pool respectively.

Your argument doesn't make any sense. You're saying that "how is
it different from the current system" (where BD snaps up quite
a few of the good names first), and then you're saying that with
WLS you'd have a chance.

To go over what I said a few posts back, how will WLS's 100%
catch guarantee help YOU if you don't have the WLS slot, and
you won't have because you said it yourself, BD gets all the
good snaps months in advance.

Any more clearer, and I'd have to draw you a picture.
Luc L.

 

[cyphix]

"Because when BD buys a name for $6k, they ask $30k on their
site. Sooo, when you buy from BuyDomains, you buy for more.
That's the difference."

$6k, $30k, $50k... doens't matter to me... not paying prices like that, so it really doesn't make any difference to me if BD does that or not.

The fact of the matter is... BD & Pool are pretty much the only catchers that get anything good on a regular basis nowadays. You pay $6k for the name @ Pool or $30k for the name @ BD as you put it.

You can think what you want... but BD's is not going to get EVERYTHING...their WLS coverage would prolly end up being like their current Snap coverage.

I have snapped many a nice name... a lot of them dropped, but of course I didn't get them. With WLS I would have.

"Your argument doesn't make any sense. You're saying that "how is
it different from the current system" (where BD snaps up quite
a few of the good names first), and then you're saying that with
WLS you'd have a chance."

I think it makes clear sense. Snap a name 6 months back now & it drops... you won't get it! WLS a name 6 months back & if it drops you WILL get it! Simple! Current system is all about waiting 6 months + 2 months for HOLD & Redemption etc just so you don't get the name & it ends up going to BD or Pool.

 

[mole]

Originally posted by Luc
Your argument doesn't make any sense. You're saying that "how is it different from the current system" (where BD snaps up quite a few of the good names first), and then you're saying that with WLS you'd have a chance.

BD has categorically said they will make it too difficult for the small players to play, I ask you, in this specialist forum, did we ever have a chance? In the old system pre WLS, yes we did. Pool.com introduced a challenger and business model in the likes BD never knew and can never own.

 

[Luc]

Originally posted by cyphix
"Because when BD buys a name for $6k, they ask $30k on their
site. Sooo, when you buy from BuyDomains, you buy for more.
That's the difference."

$6k, $30k, $50k... doens't matter to me... not paying prices like that, so it really doesn't make any difference to me if BD does that or not.

The fact of the matter is... BD & Pool are pretty much the only catchers that get anything good on a regular basis nowadays. You pay $6k for the name @ Pool or $30k for the name @ BD as you put it.

You can think what you want... but BD's is not going to get EVERYTHING...their WLS coverage would prolly end up being like their current Snap coverage.

I have snapped many a nice name... a lot of them dropped, but of course I didn't get them. With WLS I would have.

"Your argument doesn't make any sense. You're saying that "how is
it different from the current system" (where BD snaps up quite
a few of the good names first), and then you're saying that with
WLS you'd have a chance."

I think it makes clear sense. Snap a name 6 months back now & it drops... you won't get it! WLS a name 6 months back & if it drops you WILL get it! Simple! Current system is all about waiting 6 months + 2 months for HOLD & Redemption etc just so you don't get the name & it ends up going to BD or Pool.

Well, if BD's "WLS coverage would prolly end up being like their
current Snap coverage." and Ultimate Search's "WLS coverage
would prolly end up being like their current Snap coverage." then
you're dreaming if you think that WLS subscriptions for good
names will just sit there and wait for you to pick them up.

The giants invested tens of thousands to get ready for this
change. Technology, scripts, the works. They're light years
ahead of you.

Like I said before, we can sit here and argue all day. For the sake
of time, I won't bother because it won't change your minds and
therefore serve no purpose.

Luc L.

 

[cyphix]

I'll say again.. they cover a lot of names, but can't cover everything. The names I am able to put snaps on now I most likely would be able to put WLS subscriptions on. Difference is with WLS I would get them if they drop.

 

[Nexus]

Originally posted by cyphix
I'll say again.. they cover a lot of names, but can't cover everything. The names I am able to put snaps on now I most likely would be able to put WLS subscriptions on. Difference is with WLS I would get them if they drop.

As Luc said, the arguments can really go on forever until it happens. I have a sneaking suspicion that they won't even be settled quickly after it begins. The more people TALK about any "success", the more others will smell money and crowd things up. Personally, if I find a sweet spot, I'll either start complaining about how much WLS sucks and has ruined things, or speak in engimatic phrases like "I feel good today, I don't know why". I mourn the first "whinner" being labeled a "pro-WLS" idiot who didn't know what they were talking about. I think there are just as many Anti-WLS folk who are so comfortable in today's system, that they can't think outside of the box.

~ Nexus