DNS to be replaced !

[Creature]

DNS to be replaced! (maybe)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5073180.stm

 

[italiandragon]

DNS to be replaced! (maybe)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5073180.stm

that`s great....but now all names with DNS has to be replaced too...

 

[Bart]

Any tech-pro who could elaborate a bit on the implications for domain-names ?
To be honest, articles like this scare the sh*t out of me.

 

[Rubber DuckRubber Duck is verified member.]

<<But numbers have soared. Figures for the exact number of registered domains are hard to come by but a survey in January 2006 showed that there were at least 394 million.>>

Do you accept this bit as well researched journalism? If you do then buy into the article. If not then bin it!

 

[actnow]

I start to get confused when I read these type of articles.

As we have noticed with other articles, the reporters do not have factual
information.

The guy that could answer it the best is ILikeInfo over at the other place.
He has an indepth knowledge about this stuff.

 

[WhoDatDog]

Most tech geniuses are the worst businessmen/prognosticators in the world. In fact, Bill Gates wrote a book in 1994 that didn't even mention the Internet....he had to rush out an amended copy to avoid looking like he was completely lost. His partner Paul Allen has done nothing but destroy money in every venture he has entered. Microsoft was just too strong to be stopped...Bill Gates made the smart deal with IBM and nothing could ruin it.

The Internet is a once in a lifetime opportunity. The odds of domain names going away are very slim. Every year that goes by people will realize this. A whole generation of people are staring into computer screens with a dazed look in their eyes. The information is there and you have to access it by typing something in. Hence, a domain name.

Dotcom is King!

 

[cursal]

From Last of Article

They also have to match the kinds of reliability that people expect from the telephone system.

"Telephone companies want never to have to re-start the server," he added.

Huge addressing systems that are reliable enough are now becoming available, said Dr Mockapetris, who is now chairman and chief scientist at Nominum.

Work is starting on unifying the big databases held by cable firms, telephone operators and net service firms.

"I think, long-term, it's going to change hugely. I really believe the future of the internet is ahead of it," he said.

It's coming, the best we can do is slow it down....

 

[Creature]

You can ignore Mockapetris when

1. He says domain names are hidden in search engines.

Even the non-domainers glance at the URL of the results just before clicking on the link.

2. He also says many popular e-mail programs hide the exact mail address.

Do they ? And since when would you put your nickname on your biz card?!

I only worry about the Huge addressing systems that Mockapetris says are reliable enough are now becoming available.

 

[Rubber DuckRubber Duck is verified member.]

The Internet is a once in a lifetime opportunity. The odds of domain names going away are very slim. Every year that goes by people will realize this. A whole generation of people are staring into computer screens with a dazed look in their eyes. The information is there and you have to access it by typing something in. Hence, a domain name.

Deep Breath, I am going to have to break with tradition here and agree totally with WhoDatDog. Domain names are fundamental. They serve a role that cannot reasonably served in any other way. Get rid of the extension and the demand for names means that the residual root then becomes and extension. You cannot reasonably optimise the current system, but deeper than that it is fundamental to be able to alias IP addresses, otherwise you would not be able to seamlessly do fundamental things like change hosting, do URL forwarding, have Nameservers. All these things depend on aliasing. Humans also need aliasing as the IP address which are now going from 12 to 18 digits are not useful for the human mind. The human mind needs an easily recognisable label. The advertising industry needs uniquely memorable lables often referred to brands or Trademarks. If the origninal designers of the system had done a bad job it could have been subject to rationalisation. You cannot rationalise that which very close to being optimal.

 

[Rarethings]

"I really believe the future of the internet is ahead of it"

I agree with this statememt completely... And domains will be along for the ride as well, with increased prices for premium names...

Even if the DNS system is changed (which I think would take 5-10 years at least, and even then, if super-tagging and keyword tracking try to replace it, people will still need seperate names), domains will still be MORE popular, and domain names will still be used in full effect. I think type-ins will always be used, since people love to type things in, and different end-users do different things.

If not domains... What?

 

[NameYourself]

I've thought this over in depth today after reading this article and I believe some blending by the newswriter may have taken place between "Domain Names" and the theoretical ideas of DNS "Domain Name Servers". I believe there will always be the need for a domain name which represents the number strings of your website. I think what this article was more about is integrating that IP or number identifier with the same ones used for telephone and other technologies that connect to the internet. Still those numbers need to be represented in some way that is meaningful to "people". What would you put on your business card...

15.41.2.76.e11.mo.re.j.u.n.k OR [email protected]

Even if the underlying technology begins to integrate (which it obviously should) I don't see how this would impact the use of "domains" to make meaning out of the strings of integrated numbers.

Anyone with more of a technological understanding of this feel free to chime in. As I've said though, I think there may be some confusion or blending between changes in integrating the underlying technology (DNS) and actual Domain Names.

 

[Leading Names]

You can find out more details here.

http://www.enum.org/information/faq.cfm

BTW, the above site/project is run by Neustar, it wouldn't be in their interests to develop anything that could possibly replace the current system.

- Rob

 

[Creature]

Looks like ebay.com will be changed to something like 4.3.2.1.5.5.5.2.0.2.1.e164.ebay - I can remember that.

Why do we use dots anyway? Why not commas? eg ebay,us
:boom:

Creature

 

[italiandragon]

curious....I wonder people who bought sex.com for 14 millions are not going to be happy if domains are replaced...

 

[Bart]

Very interesting thread, thanks.

 

[richard]

Dr. Mockapetris is a far-sighted visionary,
to be sure, but I can't see DNS changing
within the next 10 years at least.

 

[NameYourself]

Looks like ebay.com will be changed to something like 4.3.2.1.5.5.5.2.0.2.1.e164.ebay - I can remember that.

Why do we use dots anyway? Why not commas? eg ebay,us
:boom:

Creature

Right on, I can't wait to see the string 4.3.2.1.5.5.5.2.0.2.1.e164.ebay at the bottom of all the ebay commercials! Everyone can remember that now can't they?

Think people. This is about the underlying technology that domains point to. The domain (something meaningful to people) which then maps to numeric strings will always be needed. This is kind of like an under-the-hood concept or idea that this person mentioned on how things can be better designed to integrate phone, web, etc... ENum itself even says on its website that it will have no effect on the actual "Phone Numbers" you dial.

 

[Rarethings]

Exactly.It is important to remember that even if the DNS system changes, it does not mean that domains will disappear. The DNS is simply the system built to handle and streamline the process of bridging the domain and the end-user together.

Brand names will always be necessary, therefore names will always be necessary, hence domains. When you click on your remote and push channel up, your TV display reads MTV, not Broadcasting Network M.122.6.4 Frequency 2.48 GHZ.

 

[BostonDomainer]

Exactly.It is important to remember that even if the DNS system changes, it does not mean that domains will disappear. The DNS is simply the system built to handle and streamline the process of bridging the domain and the end-user together.

Brand names will always be necessary, therefore names will always be necessary, hence domains. When you click on your remote and push channel up, your TV display reads MTV, not Broadcasting Network M.122.6.4 Frequency 2.48 GHZ.

Well put rarethings

 

[Chaiki]

I read story same way.. DNS changing, Domain Names are not DNS.. they are label identifiers that companies have spend more than a Trillion branding. You will still be able to latch your name onto different DNS infrastructure.