closed dot gongsi

[Honan]

Do you think that .gongsi will be more popular than .com within China, even after ICANN introduces an idn for .com?

See http://www.i-dns.net/newsroom/news/GE050301-01.html.en

 

[touchring]

Do you think that .gongsi will be more popular than .com within China, even after ICANN introduces an idn for .com?

See http://www.i-dns.net/newsroom/news/GE050301-01.html.en

.gongsi will face competition from .cn as well. They will share marketshare.

 

[Rubber DuckRubber Duck is verified member.]

Do you think that .gongsi will be more popular than .com within China, even after ICANN introduces an idn for .com?

See http://www.i-dns.net/newsroom/news/GE050301-01.html.en

No.

 

[Bramiozo]

Do you think that .gongsi will be more popular than .com within China, even after ICANN introduces an idn for .com?

See http://www.i-dns.net/newsroom/news/GE050301-01.html.en

If the chinese government will (with some pressure from the US govt.) promote ICANN's dname it will be over fairly quickly, if not then it will take some time but (if the technology works) the dname's will in the end still be favourable because of better support.

 

[Rubber DuckRubber Duck is verified member.]

If the chinese government will (with some pressure from the US govt.) promote ICANN's dname it will be over fairly quickly, if not then it will take some time but (if the technology works) the dname's will in the end still be favourable because of better support.

Anyone relying on the Chinese to hold up proceedings are going to be disappointed. They wanted this way before yesterday. Anything that makes a reality of IDN.IDN will be acceptable to them as long as it happens ASAP. DName has huge advanatages to the Chinese, as I have already explained to them in an email, it will enable them to create as many second or even third level dot CNs extensions as they wish and Alias them all at the Top Level. Why would they not want this?

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[Bramiozo]

ICANN doesn't need the support of China to go ahead with dname but it would greatly speed up the acceptance in mainland China. I am just not sure if China's support will be all that useful if i-idns are promoted parallel to that, they should drop one in favour of the other, I agree that it makes more sense to go for a unified approach but don't forget this is still a very closed society where the Chinese government wants to control (or at least monitor) what is expressed publicly, controlling the DNS is an important factor in controlling the (local) internet. I am afraid the US govt. or even better, the UN should put some political pressure on China. In any case, ICANN should be kissing chinese govt. ass to get what they want, it could well be an agreement like that of Yahoo :| .

 

[Rubber DuckRubber Duck is verified member.]

ICANN doesn't need the support of China to go ahead with dname but it would greatly speed up the acceptance in mainland China. I am just not sure if China's support will be all that useful if i-idns are promoted parallel to that, they should drop one in favour of the other, I agree that it makes more sense to go for a unified approach but don't forget this is still a very closed society where the Chinese government wants to control (or at least monitor) what is expressed publicly, controlling the DNS is an important factor in controlling the (local) internet. I am afraid the US govt. or even better, the UN should put some political pressure on China. In any case, ICANN should be kissing chinese govt. ass to get what they want, it could well be an agreement like that of Yahoo :| .

Frankly, all this could be implemented with or without Chinese cooperation, which I don't feel has been shown to be lacking in any case. I-DNS has to show how it can be relevant to be problem of implementation, or it just won't be.

Rubber Duck

 

[Anthony Ng]

Do you think that .gongsi will be more popular than .com within China, even after ICANN introduces an idn for .com?

It's really up to the state (Chinese government) to decide. And the ruling elite (since 1949) has ALWAYS been suspicious of the Western (esp. U.S.) hidden agenda (and rightly so), and they are willing to give up even HUGE monetary benefits for "national security" purpose. People who thought otherwise had suffered financial losses in the past (in more than 1 occasion). And we all know the Internet is a militarily strategically critical infrastructure.

Very much like lobbying the Congress (but only more important), when it comes to China trade, make sure you understand the politics.

And the bottom line is, the domestic market within China could well support a huge Chinese-only "intranet", which easily excludes ANY foreign intervention (like ICANN).

 

[touchring]

It's really up to the state (Chinese government) to decide. And the ruling elite (since 1949) has ALWAYS been suspicious of the Western (esp. U.S.) hidden agenda (and rightly so), and they are willing to give up even HUGE monetary benefits for "national security" purpose. People who thought otherwise had suffered financial losses in the past (in more than 1 occasion). And we all know the Internet is a militarily strategically critical infrastructure.

Very much like lobbying the Congress (but only more important), when it comes to China trade, make sure you understand the politics.

And the bottom line is, the domestic market within China could well support a huge Chinese-only "intranet", which easily excludes ANY foreign intervention (like ICANN).

This is like asking if .com is more popular than .cn in China? What do you guys think is the answer?

Ultimately, it's doesn't matter if you got a .cn or .com, what matters is whether you got a good name.

 

[Honan]

Can .公司 ( ".gongsi" ) domain name be parked anywhere to produce income?

 

[Anthony Ng]

For people who think ICANN is so almighty, take a look at what Canada could do:

http://www.cira.ca/news-releases/171.html

While the ICANN Board considers these concerns, and until they are remedied, CIRA will as of this date:

• Suspend its voluntary contribution of funds to ICANN;
• Hold in trust CIRA's voluntary contributions to ICANN;
• Supend consideration of any Accountability Framework;
• Decline to host or be a major sponsor of any ICANN event; and
• Cease chairing the ccNSO's IANA Working Group.

Now picture China ... Like I said, it really depends on the Chinese government, ICANN could well be totally irrelevant.

 

[Sarcle]

Now picture China ... Like I said, it really depends on the Chinese government, ICANN could well be totally irrelevant.

BLAH BLAH BLAH... more fear.

China has already been quoted several times with a desire to work with ICANN.

China isn't stupid. They are not going to cut themselves off from the world.

 

[Rubber DuckRubber Duck is verified member.]

For people who think ICANN is so almighty, take a look at what Canada could do:

http://www.cira.ca/news-releases/171.html


Now picture China ... Like I said, it really depends on the Chinese government, ICANN could well be totally irrelevant.

I think CIRA is at serious risk of over-estimating its own importance here!

Best Regards
Rubber Duck

 

[DNWizardX9]

BLAH BLAH BLAH... more fear.

China has already been quoted several times with a desire to work with ICANN.

China isn't stupid. They are not going to cut themselves off from the world.

True but what will happen once China does accept ICANN? They'll all of a sudden stop mass promoting .gongsi? Probably not..
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With a population of 1.2 billion+ people China could just cut themselves off from the u.s. and make their own internet economy....


Also those that want to start businesses on their domains in Chinese....... China requires a foreign business to give most of the proceeds to a Chinese business that would operate the site for you. However you'd get paid for "Support".

 

[Sarcle]

True but what will happen once China does accept ICANN? They'll all of a sudden stop mass promoting .gongsi? Probably not..
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With a population of 1.2 billion+ people China could just cut themselves off from the u.s. and make their own internet economy....


Also those that want to start businesses on their domains in Chinese....... China requires a foreign business to give most of the proceeds to a Chinese business that would operate the site for you. However you'd get paid for "Support".

China's economy relies heavily on US trade. Diplomacy does matter to them. China themselves own a large portion of the us economy and us debt. There is just no way they can just stop it. And they know it.

I think CIRA is at serious risk of over-estimating its own importance here!

Um yes, they are.

 

[Honan]

So I can't park a dot gonsi?
I can't even see a dot gonsi

And dot gonsi may be eclipsed by ICANN's idn dname .com
Then why would I be stupid enough to register one?

 

[Anthony Ng]

China's economy relies heavily on US trade. Diplomacy does matter to them. China themselves own a large portion of the us economy and us debt. There is just no way they can just stop it. And they know it.

I have only seen Western countries "kowtowed" to China in the past 50 years but not vice versa. Lke I said earlier, the Chinese government won't be hesitant in giving up even HUGE economic benefits for the sake of some stupid national unity or pride issues, not to say when it comes to the Internet. They have been so since day 1 (after 1949), Hong Kong and Tiananmen are very good examples. (The next willl be Taiwan, for those who are not aware of it. Those who think the U.S. will be willing or able to do anything about it are just plain ignorant.) For those who are eyeing on profiting from anything China-related, I would strongly recommend brushing up your China knowledge before investing too heavily by picking up some inventories unloaded by others.

 

[John W]

Dave,

What's your reasoning? I know you've already explained some of it, but I'm obviously missing out on some.

In any event, I guess I can take comfort in the fact that I own a little bit of both.

 

[Rubber DuckRubber Duck is verified member.]

Dave,

What's your reasoning? I know you've already explained some of it, but I'm obviously missing out on some.

In any event, I guess I can take comfort in the fact that I own a little bit of both.

Well there is already plenty of traffic on dot com. I have one domain getting over 200 hits a day. Dot com is well recognised in China and I don't think there is any real confusion with Gongsi. Most big companies are only going to go with an ICANN recognised address. In China I think you will find that the dot CN and its IDN equivalent are much more widely used that Gongsi, but both of them trail dot Com by a considerable margin. Whatever the hype by i-DNS Gongsi is no real threat to dot Com!

Rubber Duck

 

[opencg]

.com is the international language hands down, oh and I didnt say that.