GoDaddy & eNom ?!?

[_Yakov_]

What happened to these 2?
They do extremely bad.
Anyone has an idea of what happened ?

 

[actnow]

I find that GoDaddy only gets me the names that has a 8.75 bid.

And, I think Enom had some connection or computer problems today. I noticed I had some problems with them on a couple buys I placed between 1 and 2 pm (eastern).

 

[Poker]

somtimes they just suck

 

[actnow]

Go to Clems. posting dated 7-1 at the bottom of this thread.

http://www.dnforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30964

 

[DomainGoon]

Originally posted by _Yakov_
What happened to these 2?
They do extremely bad.
Anyone has an idea of what happened ?

This is my theory, reposted from another thread:

I think that maybe once a drop grabber gets hot, especially one that doesn't charge much, then the morons find it and fill it up with worthless domains.

So maybe GoDaddy and Enom are getting domains still, but they are getting such trash that no one other than the people buying the trash care. Snap has that issue to some degree as well, I think.

For those systems, without bidding, a worthless domain is the same value as a million dollar domain, so it doesn't matter to them.

 

[dot]

I support your theory, Goon..

 

[actnow]

I have a feeling that DomainGoon did not write that. And, I have a feeling he is quoting someone else ? Y

 

[Luc]

I have my own theory,

"You get what you pay for..."

You honestly expect a registrar that is monitoring thousands
of names to kill himself going after some lousy $21 backorder?

You honestly expect a drop service on which people can place
bids on as many names as they want and only pay for successes
(including multiple users on single domain) to succeed?

Come on guys.

Sure these services were half decent when no one knew
about them, but what do you expect for $21 or $99/month,
or even $99*10/month.

 

[_Yakov_]

Originally posted by DomainRetriever
I have my own theory,

"You get what you pay for..."

You honestly expect a registrar that is monitoring thousands
of names to kill himself going after some lousy $21 backorder?

You honestly expect a drop service on which people can place
bids on as many names as they want and only pay for successes
(including multiple users on single domain) to succeed?

Come on guys.

Sure these services were half decent when no one knew
about them, but what do you expect for $21 or $99/month,
or even $99*10/month.

Well, it's not the case Retriever,
NameWinner gets many $8.95 domains, for many reasons, one of which is that it's still proffitable to register you a domain for $8.95, altho their regular price is $13.95 because you are likely to renew the domain next year, not to mention that you might purchase other services like webhosting from them, once you have the domain. So, to say that $19/backorder isn't proffitable enough wouldn't be true.
The same applies to expirefish.com

Actually I find it funny sometimes when people treat domains like water. Registrars are gust middlemen who resell you the registration service. NOT MORE THEN THAT. The fact that they accidentaly gained the apportunity to make money on reregistering expired domains doesn't put them above their original level. It's also the case that some registrars act extremely unprofessional and idiotic no matter how successful they are (see NetSol and other registrars.)


I think the case is here is that these registrars are both relaxed and now don't give a f**k of what their clients think about them. With "prepayment plan" they have nothing to loose.

 

[Luc]

Well, it's not the case Retriever,

Well, it IS the case, and you're MISSING my point.

I'm not saying it's not profitable for the registrars, I'm saying
that pricing it SO LOW encourages people to put backorders
on anything, even the biggest crap.

Let me give you an example from your own "story", which I'm
sure you'll have no problems following...

Pool.com got you "doghouse.com" for what, $60. You ran over
here to tell everyone about it. You started a pretty huge thread
and told the entire board about your success there. I see your
reasons, you put in the affiliate link so you can make some $$,
nothing wrong with that I guess, but it was still a mistake
and now you’re “surprised”.

About 2 hours later several people submitted lists of 5,000+
domains. One PERSON submitting 5,000 clogs up the system,
now imagine a bunch of others doing the same. Now imagine
the 1000+ people who read the thread and now place every
backorder there first since it doesn't cost them a penny.

Now, I don't give two craps about the system being clogged up,
what I do care about is the registrar not catching anything. Seems
like they can't even catch a cold lately. Got 0 of the 200+ domains
I was monitoring, and the ones that people on here posted
as caught were BARELY worth the $60 fee. What ever happened
to domains like DogHouse.com?

Need more examples?

Probably not, but I can relate you doing the same exact thing
when eNom got a good drop for you. You got 10 or so of their
accounts and once again you bragged to everyone on the board
so everyone ran to eNom since they literally have no rules
there! You can place backorders on whatever you want, no
matter if someone else is monitoring it or not.

And now you come here to complain that “it’s not the way it use
to be”.

Of course it’s not. If you sent 2,000 OF YOUR COMPETITORS
to a site which was good, until it got clogged up with BS then
what do you expect?

Fact of the matter is you can get any dropping domain you
want, but it’ll cost you.

And honestly Yakov, you shouldn't be the one complaining about
the "its not how it use to be issue" since you were the one who
helped it get to where it is.

 

[LeDomain]

I had 4 backorders on GoDaddy and came out with nothing. Also had NW go after 2 of them for $25, did not get through NW either.

BuyDomains got 3 of them...must be thru Snap I think

 

[_Yakov_]

Originally posted by DomainRetriever


Well, it IS the case, and you're MISSING my point.

I'm not saying it's not profitable for the registrars, I'm saying
that pricing it SO LOW encourages people to put backorders
on anything, even the biggest crap.

Let me give you an example from your own "story", which I'm
sure you'll have no problems following...

Pool.com got you "doghouse.com" for what, $60. You ran over
here to tell everyone about it. You started a pretty huge thread
and told the entire board about your success there. I see your
reasons, you put in the affiliate link so you can make some $$,
nothing wrong with that I guess, but it was still a mistake
and now you’re “surprised”.

About 2 hours later several people submitted lists of 5,000+
domains. One PERSON submitting 5,000 clogs up the system,
now imagine a bunch of others doing the same. Now imagine
the 1000+ people who read the thread and now place every
backorder there first since it doesn't cost them a penny.

Now, I don't give two craps about the system being clogged up,
what I do care about is the registrar not catching anything. Seems
like they can't even catch a cold lately. Got 0 of the 200+ domains
I was monitoring, and the ones that people on here posted
as caught were BARELY worth the $60 fee. What ever happened
to domains like DogHouse.com?

Need more examples?

Probably not, but I can relate you doing the same exact thing
when eNom got a good drop for you. You got 10 or so of their
accounts and once again you bragged to everyone on the board
so everyone ran to eNom since they literally have no rules
there! You can place backorders on whatever you want, no
matter if someone else is monitoring it or not.

And now you come here to complain that “it’s not the way it use
to be”.

Of course it’s not. If you sent 2,000 OF YOUR COMPETITORS
to a site which was good, until it got clogged up with BS then
what do you expect?

Fact of the matter is you can get any dropping domain you
want, but it’ll cost you.

And honestly Yakov, you shouldn't be the one complaining about
the "its not how it use to be issue" since you were the one who
helped it get to where it is.

1)Pool.com got seen.com with all those 100 000 domains loaded into their system, they also got russianforum.com, and many other good domains.
2)I don't have any problems with facing the competetion, I have problems with registrars pissing their clients off.
3) I didn't/don't complain about the service, you can reread the thread and see what's the topic.

 

[Luc]

1)Pool.com got seen.com with all those 100 000 domains loaded into their system, they also got russianforum.com, and many other good domains.

Ok.

 

[_Yakov_]

Ok, understood

 

[Luc]

Originally posted by _Yakov_
Ok, understood

Ok.

 

[Poker]

'cmon guys, it's more entertaining when you fight...

 

[Kid Kool]

Just a few days ago godaddy got janine.com which had a 4k bid at namewinner so they still have plenty of juice. I agree with much of what has been said by Domain Retriever and Yakov, but we always have to keep in mind the mathematical odds. There are so many registrars trying for names. Blaming their low winning percentage can't solely be blamed on the size of the lists, If that were the case registrars like AddressCreation who only chase a few names for select clients would be pulling in all the biggest names. The reality is the odds of getting a contested name when you are only using one registrar are pretty low. I would guess probably about 2 to 5% depending upon how hotly contested the name is. I think you have about a 50-60% chance if you have a snap on the name. Of course if you bid 5k at dropking or namewinner your numbers shoot way up.

Today people are saying godaddy sucks and enom sucks, but tomorrow they might win the day's great name. I remember when godaddy first launched their service people made fun of it, but i lost a couple of snaps to them, and i didn't think it was all that funny. For a while people said dropwizard was dying, but sure enough they got firstauction.com and a few other gems recently.

The way i look at it is that if you don't have the snapback you can use all other 15 or so dropcatchers and get up to maybe a 40% chance at the name, but just using one registrar vs. snapnames, buydomains, etc you're looking at
extremely low odds mathematically unless you bid so much that they chuck the whole registrar at the name, but that's not how godaddy and enom operate.

They have their own advantages though. Their success rates are low, but for practically no cost you can get a shot (however small) at the top names, and they DO occasionally deliver.

 

[buddy]

Nicely put kidcool! Very true, this drop catching business is like a rollercoaster. King for one day one day and a gravestone the next. The trick is not to give up and to keep trying. And to use them all if you really want the name. It will pay off in the long run.

 

[stuff]

I did get videorepair.com with enom CD yesterday had $128 bid in namewinner
and 888 did get gazzetta.com

 

[Spider]

I got artistsagainstracism.com yesterday with Enom, lol. I need to be more carefull when it comes to finishing off my lists for the day.