Websites If this is you, YOU'RE BUSTED!

[Gerry]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...075480157&category0=&submitSearch=Search&fvi=

I would hate to think that this is a legitimate domainer or a forum member. But if it is a forum member, sorry...YOU'RE SO BUSTED! :nono:

Here is my post to ebay.
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To: eBay Customer Support
Subject: You suspect that a listing is fraudulent you didn't bid
Enter item number(s): 190075480157

Seller is supposedly auctioning off the domain name DRINK.COM but this is not true. The seller is auctioning off DRLNK.COM but made the letter "i" a lower case letter "l" to appear as if it was the word DRINK.com.

The seller time and time again claims that the word is drink but tries to decieve by saying, "(Exactly as written above)
This is NOT a dynamic name, it is the actual domain: DRlNK.COM".

The seller presumes that by stating "Exactly as written above" would release him from all liability, wrongdoing, and fraud.

The seller is listed in the WHOIS directory:

DRLNK.COM

Services from Network Solutions:

Domain Name: drlnk.com
Registered at http://www.dynadot.com

Registrant:
EDITED: See post #7
Worthing, west sussex BN14 9AG
United Kingdom

That address corresponds to the address as shown listed for the seller.

The actual owner of DRINK.COM is as follows:

DRINK.COM

Services from Network Solutions:

Domain Name: DRINK.COM

Registrant [21027]:
NetIncome Ventures Inc
345 Lower Bench Road
Penticton
B.C.
V2A8V4
CA

This is blatantly fraud:

American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source
fraud (frôd) Pronunciation Key n.

1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.
2. A piece of trickery; a trick.
3.
1. One that defrauds; a cheat.
2. One who assumes a false pose; an impostor.

I will contact the rightful and legitimate owner of DRINK.COM.

This person should be banned from ebay.

 

[oKiAo]

Excellent found. Thank you very much for sharing. I would've been tricked into that auction if I didn't see this post.
Thanks a lot.

 

[roseau]

Interestingly enough, he ended the auction himself - I wonder if he saw the post and figured he better get out before ebay bans him

 

[GoPC]

Same post at NP... but a WHOLE lot longer with MUCH info.

I'd say that the NP thread it what "motivated" the seller to end his lying ways.

GoPC

 

[Gerry]

Same post at NP... but a WHOLE lot longer with MUCH info.

I'd say that the NP thread it what "motivated" the seller to end his lying ways.

GoPC

Most likely how he was able to contact me. Free to join over there, not here.

Added a warm welcome to the thread on NP and other one here on DNF.

Please join me in welcoming our newest member, Mr. Extra.

 

[Focus]

typical ebay sale, lol..wheres my gun

 

[Gerry]

:hail:

wheres my gun

Yup, a better name would have been GlockMan :laser:

I have edited this post to remove the name of the individual who had pulled this stunt. I have received a couple of emails from him that I will also post. I think the humiliation plus the realization of how serious this could have been and the potential consequences has sunk in. I think it is only the proper thing to do. Besides, it’s a matter of the public WHOIS record anyways.

And I think Ben is now quite aware that he is under scrutiny along with other domain sellers on eBay.

Sorry for the long post but it kind of sums up everything.

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1/26 1258pm
So, you have a repuation for not letting down anyone.
Try me and see where you get.
You have 24 hours to remove your post.
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1/26 354pm
Glad you liked it.

Name one thing, just one little itsy bitsy thing that I posted that was false or a lie, like some we know.

And if you did nothing wrong, why is the auction not still up and running? My, 3100 YANKEE bucks for DRLNK.COM. That's what, about 1700 GBP?

If you want to try to sell DRLNK as a typo for DRINK, then say so. If you want to sell it as DrLnk.com as some Dr. Link, then say so.

So, please do keep emailing me and we'll keep adding to the post.

The choice is yours...don't email me and perhaps this will die down in 24 hours. Or keep emailing me, the post keeps getting added to as I submit your emails and my responses, it keeps getting bumped up to top of the list, more people have an opportunity to see what fools are made of, and you stay in the spotlight. I will allow you this one and only one opportunity to come to your senses and be reasonable, go away, and you can come back and play another day on ebay or somewhere.

Besides, I can not "remove a post". You can, however, contact the owner/administrator of ebay, DNforum, NamePros, and others that I have not mentioned yet, and petition those entities to remove the post or the complaint and have me banned or kicked off.

By the way, dumbass, I am hardly the only one to report you to ebay. Or start a thread about you.

Cheers!
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1/26 834pm
N0, N0NE 0F WHAT Y0U P0STED WAS A LlE. l WAS TRYlNG T0 BE CLEVER, H0PEFULLY THlS WlLL BE A LESS0N T0 ANY0NE TRYlNG T0 PULL A SlMlLAR STUNT lN THE FUTURE, D0N'T D0 lT. l SH0ULD P0lNT 0UT TH0UGH THAT l DlDN;T AT ANYTlME USE THE TEXT drink lN MY LlSTlNG AT ANYP0lNT. YES Y0U WEREN'T THE 0NLY PERS0N T0 P0lNT THAT 0UT T0 ME, AS WELL AS S0ME LEGAL ASPECTS SH0ULD l S0LD DRLNK.C0M
SlNCE CL0SlNG THE LlSTlNG l HAVE RECElVED A NUMBER 0FF 0FFERS F0R THlS D0MAlN, 0UTSlDE EBAY. THE QUESTl0NS lS: SH0ULD l REP0RT THEM T0 EBAY? MAYBE l C0ULD SELL T0 THEM, AFTERALL THEY W0ULDN'T HAVE ANY C0MEBACK..................
l GUESS l SH0ULD THANK Y0U ST0PPlNG ME MAKE A C0MPLETE A**E 0UT 0F MYSELF, ENDlNG UP lN JAlL 0R S0METHlNG.
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1/27/07 807am
Ben,

I appreciate your email and having come to the realization what you attempted to pull was not only wrong but criminal. Most likely a felony in any country. Deception is deception no matter how you want to look at it or word it. Deception for personal gain is fraud. You were close to violating international laws and not only committing fraud but wire fraud had you accepted money for this under false pretenses. These are very serious offenses. If they crossed international borders, it would have been interesting to see who wanted you the most; the FBI, Interpol, UK authorities. Then there would have been the matter or where to extradite you to stand trial. The real fun would have been deciding which prison to put you in.

Of course providing someone had not come after you personally.

The point is it did not happen and the worst of it is you made yourself look foolish. If your pride is the only thing that took a hit, consider yourself fortunate.

Had it gone on and people thought it was actually drink.com, it may have gotten as much as 30-50K or even more. Don't be stupid. You would have never gotten away with it in the long run and people end up dead for much less money than that.

If you get an offer from someone to buy it, be truthful and honest as to what it actually is. Most likely they still think it is drink.com.

Ebay does not like it when you sell off eBay but it is a matter of public WHOIS database. It is not the way eBay sees it but it is no different from someone looking up a domain name that I own and contacting me through a WHOIS contact listed. The reality is I can not advise you either way, but I am offering you some alternatives that eBay may not agree with but it is a public database. Just be truthful and forthright. Simply because you pulled it off eBay does not exempt it from any of the legalities mentioned.

Also, a word of caution...I have no doubts that some individuals making the offers off ebay have actually been kicked off ebay themselves for scamming or defrauding others. This is where you run the risk of becoming the victim. Not a comfortable feeling to be in, is it. Stolen credit cards, hijacked PayPal accounts, credit card charge backs. It would have never made through escrow.com. The seller does not get the funds released until the buyer indicates receiving the goods and is satisfied. No buyer would have been satisfied.

Here is what I will do.

I will remove your personal information from the post. That I can control. I can not totally remove the post or the threads. It is not my forum and it stays.

If anyone else has placed a quote with your personal information, I will ask them to consider removing it.

You will find that we all have many things in common on these forums...domains, internet, and website interests. The majority of the folks on the two forums are pure hardcore domainers.

Your eBay stunt could have ruined potential sales for all domain sellers as word got out about this. Every domain seller or every domain for sale would come under serious scrutiny. Most importantly, had this made the news, no one would trust any domains or domain sellers for quite some time until this settled down.

I will go ahead and post your response as well as my reply. Hopefully this will restore some respect and credibility, perhaps to both of us.

Nothing is worth going to prison, getting your ass beat, or ending up dead because you defrauded someone and stole their money. Don't be stupid. If you want some advice, join one of the forums. Learn how to go about doing this legitimately and becoming respected in the domain business.

Plus your real name and address was on the WHOIS. This may have made the news on the BBC as WORLD'S DUMBEST CRIMINALS which would have even been more embarrassing.

Take care and, this time, thanks for the note.

Regards,

 

[oKiAo]

Wow, you have got him so fast to make him to type in all CAPS.
I wonder if he will respond to you. That is one very powerful email that you wrote back to him.

Plus your real name and address was on the WHOIS. This may have made the news on the BBC as WORLD'S DUMBEST CRIMINALS which would have even been more embarrassing.

^- This one made me laugh.
Once again, thank you for sharing :] Had fun reading it and learn alot too.

 

[ttiger]

Worse yet is eBay never even pulled the auction. Sellers like this are pure scum but the fact that the auction was allowed to complete and the guy is still a registered user shows you how bad eBay is. I have been scammed on eBay in the past and when you try to contact eBay you will see how little they will do to help in any way.

This has pretty much become the norm on ebay it seems.

 

[Bender]

wow, the world is now a safer place.

 

[Gerry]

At least I tried, brought it to the attention of many, got the attention of many, and definitely got results...maybe?

As for eBay? I think it's a damn shame eBay can not police itself. Not just in matters of domain names. Tiffany & Co. sent a C&D a while back to stop selling fake Tiffany items on eBay. ebay refused to comply saying it had no control over what was sold and they were not handling the merchandise and merely providing a service...eBay won.

After being on eBay for more than 9 years, I can write a book on the scams, scammers, stunts, excuses, schemes, of both buyers and sellers along with the piss poor service stunts, excuses and schemes by both eBay and PayPal. Is it any wonder that several PayPal employees left PayPal after eBay bought them out? Two of them did not like how eBay ran things and decided to start their own company. Have you ever heard of YouTube.com?

But, I'll save the book project for my old age and it will just be a story no one wants anyways.

As for making the world a safer place? Its okay...you can come out of your house now and return to what you were doing.

 

[anderson33]

circa1850,

Thanks for the all the effort and followup you put into this. Most people turn a blind eye to these things and it good to see someone take a stand. I love to see scammers get busted!!!

 

[Duckinla]

Anyone interested in PH0T0GRAPH.COM, please send me a PM. BIN $35,000.

 

[Gerry]

Anyone interested in PH0T0GRAPH.COM, please send me a PM. BIN $35,000.

WAY T00 L0W! Make your BIN 5O. Besides, you misspelled .C0M. Helluva deal. But is that BIN or actually BlN? Please clarify before I send PlayPal. :lol:

 

[ttiger]

wow, the world is now a safer place.

Nice attitude.

This guy is trying to help people and you act like a jerk to him?

 

[AlienGG]

WAY T00 L0W! Make your BIN 5O. Besides, you misspelled .C0M. Helluva deal. But is that BIN or actually BlN? Please clarify before I send PlayPal. :lol:

It would well worth the $35K bin if the ext is .c0m as it would be the first and only .c0m on planet Internet.

I reported many fraudulent listings on ebay until I got tired. None of them got pulled and many of them got paid for.
Can you believe a Garmin StreetPilot 7200 for $200 no reserve and the seller sells a bunch of them at the same time, despite the obvious made up feedbacks?

I gave ebay the intell, and they told me to STFU cuz it ain't my bzness unless i bid and dead beat and wait for the seller to report me to get my id suspended.

 

[Theo]

Dig some more, Alien and you might find Area 51

 

[AlienGG]

Ye, I reported Alienware stuff too cuz I own some of those stuff and for being a fan, I made an Alienware section on my personal site.

 

[tekz999]

Worlds dummbest criminals LOL

 

[Gerry]

Man, this is an old dead thread.

Don't these things ever get taken out to the dumpster or put in mothballs?