For Sale Is PIR whois always right?

[spietreser]

I was / am watching a .org domain that had expired last week. While all the other whois services on the whole wide internet still say it has not been renewed (now, almost 7 days later), the whois at pir.org shows that it has been renewed....

Which whois do I have to believe?

Thanks,

spietreser

 

[Beachie]

I believe what happens is when a domain expires, the registry (in this case PIR) actually do renew it and charge the registrar $6. In effect the registry will show it as renewed, when the registrar will show it (correctly) as not renewed. If the owner does not pay, the registry will reimburse the registrar.

This places the onus on the registrar to get money out of the owner, or they will be out of pocket. It's an incentive for registrars not to hold on to lots of domains (some still do anyway, go figure..)

The most authoritative whois is the registrar where the domain is registered, because they are the ones who are paid by the domain owner, and who posess the power to release the domain back to the registry (and into REDEMPTIONPERIOD).

I hope all that makes sense In summary:

PIR = wrong (technically)
Registrar = right

If the registrar (eg Dotster, eNom etc) have a whois on their site it's best to query it directly.

 

[spietreser]

Thanks for explaining that Beachie! That made a lot of sense.

That's great news because now there is still hope for my SnapBack

 

[Whois-Search]

my whois now links to the Registrar

 

[DrWho]

Originally posted by Beachie
I believe what happens is when a domain expires, the registry (in this case PIR) actually do renew it and charge the registrar $6. In effect the registry will show it as renewed, when the registrar will show it (correctly) as not renewed. If the owner does not pay, the registry will reimburse the registrar.

This places the onus on the registrar to get money out of the owner, or they will be out of pocket. It's an incentive for registrars not to hold on to lots of domains (some still do anyway, go figure..)

The most authoritative whois is the registrar where the domain is registered, because they are the ones who are paid by the domain owner, and who posess the power to release the domain back to the registry (and into REDEMPTIONPERIOD).

I hope all that makes sense In summary:

PIR = wrong (technically)
Registrar = right

If the registrar (eg Dotster, eNom etc) have a whois on their site it's best to query it directly.

Well stated.