For Sale SnapNames service change

[actnow]

Why do Network Solutions need Snapnames to be part of this? Surely they could offer the service themselves and then not need to pay SnapNames a dime.

Why create duplicate auction services when SnapNames already has it
established. (It is the period of Global Outsourcing.)

Plus, all of the major and minor players are visiting the site a number of times a day.

Network Sol's site would be an "after thought" for most of us.

And, more people chasing it makes it more profitable for Network.

I don't agree with Network doing this. But, it is a "Brilliant" idea.

 

[cambler]

I'm not going to engage in discussion, simply because of my position with respect to this market. But allow me to point out that, in my personal opinion, NSI is in violation of ICANN's contractual rules regarding how names do (and must) go through the deletion process.

I suspect that we will see scrutiny of this from ICANN, especially since the benefits to NSI are as a result of its former monopoly position, and the fact that Verisign still owns a non-trivial percentage of NSI.

There's a lot more to this than meets the eye, and I anticipate interesting time ahead.

 

[Whois-Search]

Yeah it must be in viloation of ICANN !

It needs to be stopped now. Time for another Petition.

It needs to be stopped like SiteFinder was. Enom, Namewinner, Godaddy and Pool needs to sue Netsol and Snapnames for loss of business.

I hate it when companies like Snapnames put money before the stability of the internet.

The Lawyers will be busy tomorrow and ICANN will have to spend even more of its budget on this.

Money that should be spent on the development of the internet will be spent on lawyer fees.

Funny how you post it on a Sunday when the big boys can't reply

Enom and Godaddy are the biggest resellers they could ignore the deleting process to and auction off their expired names. - But I doubt they will it would just fuel Netsol.

 

[clemzonguy]

I hate it when companies like Snapnames put money before the stability of the internet.

I think this makes the internet quite stable.

I was an advocate of the WLS for a while but I guess at least this way I will have one site to go to and not have to go to 3-4 sites and worry about buydomains or private individuals. This eliminates redundancy (not competition). If I want a name and I am willing to pay the highest amount then it's mine (plain and simple). That's extremely fair and the basis for any current auction (at Pool or Enom). At least with Snapnames there will be the transparency we desire. I don't really care who the profits go to as long as I get what I am after. If Pool or Enom wants to fuss then let's institute WLS....you can't have your cake and eat it to. I mean really you guys didn't want to accept WLS b/c of your greed (Enom, Pool, Etc.) so here we are with an even bigger animal (feast down boys). You have leeched your connections far too long, but your season of sin has ended (and another one begins). Registrars existing simply for the sole purpose of catching names will be a thing of the past (at least on a larger scale). I do not think the public will view this in a very good light at all (once they know the true story behind the story). I think that public sympathy will fall with Netsol especially after Pool's most recent behavior with sealed bids. What a great time to unveal this! This is the only way the market can go in order to cut off the head of the Chimera and institute change (restricting the supply). It's ashame they will not use the Tucows idea.....but why should they....especially when so much money is at stake. I don't think the previous registrants should be included if they are willing to abandon their domain names.

R.I.P. Pool (2003-2004)

 

[hiOsilver]

Given the stupid greed that Pool showed with their 2-stage auction, why is anyone surpised by this development? Tucows took the first step in this new direction, and no one screamed. So, NSI following the lead which was a logical next step.

Quesion to ponder: Who owns (and who should own) the value of expiring domains? Anyone who becomes a registrar? Someone who already is a registrar? You, me and the public at large? The UN (just kidding)?

Frankly, I think this is just desserts for everyone who thought WLS was a bad idea. And please, do not tell me that BD and Ult were going to buy up every last WLS on the first day. They would have bought a lot, for sure, but then, so would have I (proportionally).

However, it will be interesting to see what ICANN and the courts say about this.

 

[Whois-Search]

The internet is for the whole free world.

Why should Snapnames & Netsol have the right to auction off every good* name that drops ?

How much money is going to be spent in courts instead of things like IPv6 ?

How much will Snapnames spend on IPv6 ?

Domains should drop on a first come first serve basis - which apart from how many registrar threads you use does happen at the moment.

*only good because networksolutions was one of the first registers where all the good names were registered - over time they will be all at enom, godaddy, moniker.

Pool.com made a big mistake with 2 phase auction, but Snapnames are making an even bigger one with this.

 

[clemzonguy]

Snapnames is making an even bigger mistake with this one.

If this were an end-game in chess...

Snapnames/Netsol is playing with a rook & queen
Tucows is playing with a queen and a pawn
Pool is playing with a rook and a knight
Enom is playing with a bishop and a rook
Namewinner has a bishop and a pawn
Dropwizard has no pieces left

 

[mole]

...and all the small drop players have been checkmated. :huh:

 

[Whois-Search]

I'm waiting for stalemate

 

[cyphix]

I agree with clem here..... I don't see how this affects anyone negatively other than dropcatchers & registrars that were making good coin elsewhere.

You no longer have to worry about greedy & shifty 1000-pound gorilla Pool.
You no longer have to worry about all those crazy registrars (do they even call themselves registrars!?).
You no longer have to worry about covering your bid @ several places.
You no longer have to worry about private dropcatchers getting the name you oh so want.

I fail to see why "anyone" is complaining about this other than those I pointed out above!? Am I missing something?

 

[Whois-Search]

Apart from paying Snapnames and only Snapnames $$$$ everytime you want one

They don't even have an affiliate - this also effects me.

I also have to change my drop lists to have another column for "registrar" - but i might as well not bother making any.

 

[diverge]

If the owner was properly notified about renewing their name and didn't respond, then one day after expiration it no longer belongs to him plain and simple.

I just had a domain expire this week that is reg'd with NSI, and did not receive any renewal notices until the day it expired. This type of activity betrays their motive of money above all else, and is a spit in the eye of their paying customers. Once NSI gets your money, they are only looking for the next buck. For $35 a year, you would think a little renewal warning would be in line.

(Of course, this logic is flawless (albeit unethical) -- if I were charging 3x+ the rest of the market for domain names, I wouldn't want my customers to have warning either, lest they transfer their domain elsewhere).

 

[chatcher]

... I don't see how this affects anyone negatively other than dropcatchers & registrars that were making good coin elsewhere.

It would be better if they had managed to keep the 30 day redemption period after the registrar grace period, but of course this would require changes at the registry level. The former registrant does now lose some time he previously had before losing a name for good.

This is an understandable move by NSI. They have the most names to lose, are bleeding market share every day, and have a less than 1% chance of being the registrar a dropping name is registered with. Add to that the explosion of new sham registrars, created solely for the purpose of gaming the currently flawed system. And since NSI is giving the former registrant the chance to claim a small share of the proceeds (under 20%), they can at least claim their system is better for domain name owners. I think they may actually have a good shot at defending this in court.

I wonder if ICANN will even get involved. This is not a monopoly issue (other than the large number of names at NSI being the remnants of a former monopoly), not a registry issue, and does not affect the quote "stability of the Internet" unquote. It may be up to the negatively affected registrars to fight this in court, and the larger the registrar, the less negatively affected they are. Tucows has proposed a similar (or so we speculate) plan, Enom has a lot to lose catching NSI names, but a lot to gain selling eNom names, were they to adopt a similar policy. Pool would seem to be the biggest loser, but I am not sure what legal strategy they could use to stop NSI, and without an immediate injunction, a protracted legal battle could be worse for them than doing nothing at all.

 

[ExpireGuy]

It would be better if they had managed to keep the 30 day redemption period after the registrar grace period, but of course this would require changes at the registry level. The former registrant does now lose some time he previously had before losing a name for good.

Agreed. It appears it will be the registrants "rights" that will be compromised. If this process becomes the norm....put a lock on em or the guy that's holden em is looking at dollar signs....something tells me this isn't going to be a catalyst for domain renewal reminders especially if the name is pegged for value at the secondary market level.

in my personal opinion, NSI is in violation of ICANN's contractual rules regarding how names do (and must) go through the deletion process.

Bingo!

I wonder if ICANN will even get involved.

It's a shame we have to wonder....if they (ICANN) were up on their own guidlines...this would never even have the semblance of happening.

 

[Anthony Ng]

It's a shame we have to wonder....if they (ICANN) were up on their own guidlines...this would never even have the semblance of happening.

It's a sad but cruel truth that while ICANN is non-profit (kind of, but still so), all those registrars are driven by GREED. People would even kill for money (drug dealers usually have heavier arm power than the police), so what can we expect?

 

[HLK]

If this were an end-game in chess...

Pool is playing with a rook and a knight

I'm not sure they are much in the game at all anymore.
Any name that they catch will be ones that nobody really cares about.

If all the registrars transfer sought after names before deletion then Pool is dead.

Pool is gonna be left playing with themselves....

 

[stuff]

I don`t give a s... anymore

I quit catching domains after pool came to this game.
Only solutsion that I see, that there would be a system called wls, fixed price and the domain would be awarded randomly. then I would have a change.

In this moment There is nothing to complain, domains still go to the same guys as usual! Guys who have large budgets.

Stuff

 

[Anthony Ng]

... domains still go to the same guys as usual! Guys who have large budgets.

Don't like it either ... at least until I myself become one of them , but again, ain't that the reality of EVERY commodity that those with the deepest pockets always get the best stuff?

 

[mole]

Moral of the story :- think 3 steps ahead of the game, then think 3 steps further. The window on each closes very quickly, often in less than a year. If you are successful, people will find ingenious ways to imitate and exceed your success... geesh, I feel like i'm preaching to the pope.

 

[Sharpy]

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