For Sale SnapNames service change

[clemzonguy]

I don't know why anyone should be surprised or upset by these developments.

Everyone had settled into a Pool complacency until this sealed bid issue. Fact of the matter is that as end-users & investors we stand to benfit long-term for decisions we make now (or were smart enough to make a few years back). Sure registrars or even NSI can make money but it's only a one time fee (and most times a discount). If the domain is a source of revenue or can be developed we stand to benefit the most longterm. Overall I think this will be good for transparency, accountability, consistency, and overall domain prices. If not then I have some canned food ratholed up for the nuclear winter.

What one thing stays consistent throughout all this? We have more and more access to expiring names. Use this to your advantage.....think back to the days of when buydomains got every name or you forgot to add to one of the obscure dropcatching service, or much worse NameFox would get something.

I think Pool will be having some layoffs soon.
Maybe they can start selling Canadian Drugs.
It's also too bad they sold off all their income producing names!

 

[Steen]

Apart from paying Snapnames and only Snapnames $$$$ everytime you want one

They don't even have an affiliate - this also effects me.

I also have to change my drop lists to have another column for "registrar" - but i might as well not bother making any.

I like the idea of one source.


They don't have an affiliate program?! Now that is a reason to shut them down! No affiliate program? jeez, the end of the world.

And making other people "change their drop lists"? I doubt they care, nor do I really.

 

[cambler]

There won't be "one source."

You'll have NSI's names at Snap, Tucows' names at Tucows, eNom's names at eNom, and the dregs (and non-participating registrars) in the drop as usual.

It won't be simpler, it'll be more complex. Much more complex.

 

[Deleted member 4749]

Guys keep in mind that there are as many people that support the change as there are that oppose it.

 

[cambler]

Guys keep in mind that there are as many people that support the change as there are that oppose it.

I fail to see how you can claim this. "As many?" I'd say it's much too early to see who comes down on which side here, making an observation such as "as many" merely a guess.

I would wager that more are against this than are for it - but that's a guess on my part.

 

[davidthornton]

There won't be "one source."

You'll have NSI's names at Snap, Tucows' names at Tucows, eNom's names at eNom, and the dregs (and non-participating registrars) in the drop as usual.

It won't be simpler, it'll be more complex. Much more complex.

Someone doesn't appear to be happy.

If this way of doing things, i.e. registrars auctioning off domain names that are outside their registration periods and registered with their registrar, takes off (and I get the impression that, with both NSI and Tucows offering similar, it might), then it will almost instantly cast a great big shadow over all those shell-creds that ENOM and Pool have been getting recently and will bring into question the viability of their overall business models. Both ENOM and Pool could be left with almost no option but to copy the NSI/Tucows formula for names at their own registrars (i.e. ENOM and NameScout), and hopefully still be able to chase the odd name here and there, dropped by a non-auction-offeromg registrar (I cannot see that being too many in the near future).

Taking into account the fist fulls of shell-creds that the drop services have been acquiring and the painfully perfected drop software designed to manage them all in conjunction with the RRP; all investment in that might very well start to look rather redundan. Some people could be left with a large bill from ICANN that they find they can no longer pay.

So I can see why you might not be happy.

 

[clemzonguy]

Now we can all spend our time on developing domains rather than figuring out what's going to drop. I will have to admit though I got some good names (cheap) through snap or through other methods when the game was played that way. And I got beat on many other ones as well (especially ones I was willing to pay more on!). A lot of names I will no longer be able to afford but whether they are at snap, pool, enom, etc. the auction model is here to stay. Most of the domains I am after have already dropped, are owned by competitors, I have already bought or inquired about, or are for sale at most major sites like buydomains.com ..... we're entering the end phase of the game. If you are a niche player you know where you stand. If you are a reseller I would turn towards development.....and to new TLDs where the drop companies will soon move.

 

[cambler]

Actually, I'm not unhappy for any of the reasons you note. In the case of Pool, for example, they would just not pay the renewals on their 100+ credentials and let them expire. There's no large bill looming; they're already bought and paid-for.

Like I said, it will be interesting to see what happens next. I'm prepared to do whatever is necessary either way.

 

[Steen]

There won't be "one source."

You'll have NSI's names at Snap, Tucows' names at Tucows, eNom's names at eNom, and the dregs (and non-participating registrars) in the drop as usual.

It won't be simpler, it'll be more complex. Much more complex.

Maybe one in six names that I look into are registered at NSI.

With your above statement, are you implying that eNom will be following suit?

 

[Whois-Search]

I think Enom should try and stop Netsol through ICANN first and only follow suit as a last resort.

Because Netsol will just say to ICANN "see others do it to".

 

[ExpireGuy]

I think Enom should try and stop Netsol through ICANN first and only follow suit as a last resort.

Because Netsol will just say to ICANN "see others do it to".

Personally, I don't see why enom or any other registrar should be put in a position to formulate an expenditure to have ICANN follow through with it's own protocols in regards to registrars who show evidence of disregard for agreement policies.
In my view, this action by Netsol is a violation of the domain holders protective shield which they have chose to disregard. this could set a precedent that further impededes the rights of domain holders if others jump on the wagon.
There was a previous analogy in regards to chess that was made in previous posts. No need to mention who the "pawns" in all of this are.
I rather have a distaste for POOL just like the next guy and if there is any justice in this world, I'm sure there is a dark overlord from the pits of hell that is making a well knitted welcome mat for them as we speak. But netsol is claiming it's stake there as well, and doing it it off the backs of domainers/endusers. They are no better.
Welcome to the dawn of the mutant WLS hybrid. Except I don't see that 40 dollar per slot backorder fee anymore.
Monopolies ( taking an often used phrase from my neighbours Blink 182 loving 17 year old ) Blow chunks dude!

 

[Whois-Search]

It all depends if ICANN do anything - they won't even reply to emails atm

This is worse than WLS and Snapnames should be ashamed

When high prices, deadbeat bidders and fraud starts at Snapnames then they will learn the Pool lesson.

 

[clemzonguy]

There was a previous analogy in regards to chess that was made in previous posts.

Hey on a side note I was the original person who registered ExpiredDomainNames.com ... glad to see it being used! :-D

This is worse than WLS and Snapnames should be ashamed

What's so bad with this system? If I am the highest bidder then I get the name. Everyone can complete fairly in an open market. Cyphix had some very good points earlier in this post. I don't see why anyone but the dropcatchers would be upset. You were mad at Pool the other day (http://www.dnforum.com/showthread.php?t=65496 ) and now you are mad at Netsol/Snapnames. Plus you don't even like the WLS. Make up your mind!

When high prices, deadbeat bidders and fraud starts at Snapnames then they will learn the Pool lesson.

So we are supposed to devalue names or much less join a lottery system where people "luck up" every once in a while? Sounds like you are Pro-WLS with talk like that. I got sick of bidding on names and then having someone end up with the snap or much less buydomains come away with it using private connections (which mind you I didn't have access to). When I would go to buy the name they would cite the high (mostly emotional) bids at namewinner and then quote me 3X the price. These people were not end-users and had no intentions of using the site. If I had bought at auction I would have most likely paid less (especially if there was no overture with extension) and if someone paid more than me and wasn't an end-user they are comitting suicide and will possibly never get their money back. Snapnames requires a credit card to be entered and if there is fraud I have confidence they would handle the situation and put the name back up. By not giving any proceeds to previous owners they would discourage shill bidding.

 

[davidthornton]

What's so bad with this system? If I am the highest bidder then I get the name. Everyone can complete fairly in an open market. Cyphix had some very good points earlier in this post. I don't see why anyone but the dropcatchers would be upset. You were mad at Pool the other day (http://www.dnforum.com/showthread.php?t=65496 ) and now you are mad at Netsol/Snapnames. Plus you don't even like the WLS. Make up your mind!

You've hit the nail on the head there. Whois-Search jumps from one lap to another, depending on what suits him and his site. The NSI/Tucows move threatens, if adopted by the majority of registrars, to put drop catchers and those running web sites that publish lists with affiliate links to drop services to put them out of business.

In reality I don't think he'll need to worry too much. Let's say that this becomes the norm and multiple registrars each have an auction system on their site (each publishing their own lists), I am sure there'll still be a market for sites and services collating all these lists together and, perhaps, offering affiliate links to the registrars' auction services.

Whois-Search/Andrew - things change in this game, just like they have done in the past. I doubt you'll be shut out; you might just need to change the way you play.

 

[Whois-Search]

The only problem I have is Netsol is violating the ICANN deleting policy.

If Pool had got all its registers to send their names straight to them I would have been against that.

I'm already programming the "registrar" column change and have an affiliate with Pool and Enom - Snapnames will have one soon.

Personally I'm not for the present system, WLS or this new system - it should be like the UK deleting process which David knows alot about

 

[dvdrip]

whois-search.com maybe you should remove Pool from the backorder list.
You end up bidding against yourself anyway.

Where did you get the enom affiliate link?

 

[Whois-Search]

Yeah some people still bid to $60 and win though

I asked Enom for it

 

[dvdrip]

Do you mean you asked support for an affiliate link?

 

[ExpireGuy]

The only problem I have is Netsol is violating the ICANN deleting policy.

If Pool had got all its registers to send their names straight to them I would have been against that.

Yes. Domainers/endusers are having established protective veils revoked. This is my main concern. There seems to be an evidence of other infringements in place as well.
Let's not forget who wanted the WLS to go through (Snapnames, Verisign) with a 40 dollar carrot at the end to make it a fair system. But the reality is, it's bid auction. The problem is they are using previous monopolized means and stepping over domainers to get there.
.........God I leave this addictive forum for a weekend...and look what happens...the drop game swan diving into a crap bucket.

 

[Whois-Search]

dvdrip : Deborah Burditt at enom

I wish ICANN would get out of bed and update http://www.icann.org/correspondence/ maybe they need some legal fees to pay first