What happend to DNFORUM...

[draggar]

I probably have said this more than a couple of times, but it is actually up to Adam (the owner) to decide whether DNForum should remain a "domainers' hangout" (ALL sellers, buying from each other) or going to the next level and become a or even THE mainstream domain name marketplace with end-users (a.k.a. BUYERS).

99.99% of end users won't come here for domains. They'll either attempt to hand-register domains until they find one they want, end up with a "premium" domain for sale though GoDaddy (ever notice the ones for sale that come up with the results?) or hire someone (broker, etc.) to find them a domain.

The issue is that here is that not many domains are for sale here for end users at this time, mostly resellers. Not many are interested in LLL/NNN/CCC domains, more are interested in generics or geo+generic (bostoncleaners, portlandtaxi), but IMO (and from what I've seen from trucks, etc.) is that they're looking for their brandables - bobsdeadbugs, keystonelandscaping, misterfixit, etc..

Many end users are too afraid to look into buying a domain from someone because they feel that they're going to be overcharged (yes, the greedy reputation is still there in many people's eyes). YOu might be willing to part with their perfect domain for $500 - $1000 but the seeker may think you'll want $25,000-$100,000 and not even bother. Other may feel a broker would take advantage of them.

There needs to be someone out there educating the end users.

 

[DN BROKER]

Nothing has changed on DNF, the same old buyers and sellers are still active, the only difference is that we have more rookies on board who want a piece of the pie!

 

[David G]

Others may feel a broker would take advantage of them.

I can confirm that. A number of times I suggested to end-user buyers they talk to recommended broker since he was expert and could fairly price the domain but most declined the brokerage offer acting (even saying) they were too scared or intimidated to deal with my broker.

 

[draggar]

I can confirm that. A number of times I suggested to end-user buyers they talk to recommended broker since he was expert and could fairly price the domain but most declined the brokerage offer acting (even saying) they were too scared or intimidated to deal with my broker.

I have a hard time getting people to listen to me when I tell them to go to their registrar and register the .com of their .org (even for an organization). So far only one entity has taken it up, others didn't heed the warning and now the .com is registered.

Others don't believe me when I tell them that (name) or (sales) @domain.com is a MUCH better email addresses than ([email protected] and most hosts don't charge for that and if they have someone managing it they might only charge a setup fee - even for a forwarder.

 

[james2002]

Yes, that's why I don't want to look at the domains listed here in details any more? Only come here on and off.

I don't think it's worth it considering time and effort.

 

[katherine]

The membership of today is not what it was 5 years ago. Some people have moved on to other ventures or quietly retired to the beach k:
Plenty of new people are entering the business every day... and most won't last. They all want their share of the 'domainer dream'. There is more and more competition and the quality is drying up.
Result: many many dubious registrations flooding the forums and the marketplaces (think Sedo Bido Flippa Godaddy etc) and sore eyes k:
But the complaints about the flow of junk names are not new. Domainers tend to keep their best regs and liquidate the dregs to resellers - it's always been that way.

 

[DN BROKER]

I don't get it, those complaining are also the one's low balling Domainers in this forum. No wonder why GEMs are being traded in private.

 

[Stian]

I can´t really pinpoint why there´s not a lot of public activity on DNF anymore, but there´s definltey a lot going on in the background. Last week I sold an LLL.com for $12,5k, a .info for $2,750 and brokered an NNN.com for $32k. Unfortunately, none of the deals was initiated here on the forum.

That still doesn´t mean that there´s not a lot of business to be done here. This is still the best forum there is for domainers, whether you´re looking to buy, sell or just absorb knowledge. Every venue has its ups and downs and I´m sure there are some really great times ahead here on the forum.

 

[Poker]

I don't get it, those complaining are also the one's low balling Domainers in this forum. No wonder why GEMs are being traded in private.

Fail. Many of the experienced here are tired of overhyped "crap for sale" domains but do not have the time or interest to complain about it. They also do not have the time or interest to low ball these threads, they don't even click on them.

 

[seo law domains]

I've seen a lot of legitimate premium names here among the dreck... accomplish.com, lots of 3Ls, etc. Just need to do a bit more sifting now. If certain sellers are wasting your time, put them on ignore.

 

[DN BROKER]

I don't get it, those complaining are also the one's low balling Domainers in this forum. No wonder why GEMs are being traded in private.

Fail. Many of the experienced here are tired of overhyped "crap for sale" domains but do not have the time or interest to complain about it. They also do not have the time or interest to low ball these threads, they don't even click on them.

Overhyped crap sells for $$$-$$,$$$.

What do you want? Big players posting big names for reseller value? That's not going to happen. Big players sell names to end users. Only their crap as you state ends up in reseller market.

The more low priced domains in the market the higher Good domains will sell!

With out crap you're domains would have less value!

I sell reg fee domains you wouldn't even look at! Just because you dislike a domain doesn't mean it won't sell.

Posted from my iPhone 6

 

[Poker]

Overhyped crap sells for $$$-$$,$$$.

You need help with your definitions. Anything that sells for 3 figs + is not overhyped crap. Obviously referring to the onslaught of threads tiltled "triple premium" or "ultra generic" that attempt to gloss over the POS domain beneath.

 

[dcristo]

OP it's a sign of the times.

Newbies enter the market, think they can make a quick profit by flipping reg fee domains. Then a year passes by, they realise they have to renew all of their domains, and soon realise domaining ain't such a get rich quick scheme.

Older domainers have larger portfolios and thus can wait for that one sucker that will pay more then market value, or will just wait for an end user to approach them if they really have valuable domains that sell themselves. Of course, you have plenty of domainers that are clueless about the value of their names, and are just waiting for a sucker that likely will never come, instead of being happy to accept fair market value, because their adamant their names must be worth more.

So between the two what are you left with? On the rare occassion, a domainer wants to focus on offline business more or for some other reason so doesn't have time to dedicate to domaining/online business, than there are bargains to be had. But thats the exception not the rule.

Also, keep in mind it's a buyers market right now. If you really had valuable domains, why would you sell on DNF and be happy with reseller prices in a down economy?

 

[DN BROKER]

You need help with your definitions. Anything that sells for 3 figs + is not overhyped crap. Obviously referring to the onslaught of threads tiltled "triple premium" or "ultra generic" that attempt to gloss over the POS domain beneath.

I don't need any help!

 

[ImageAuthors]

I only entered the domain industry 9 months ago; so I cannot speak about the "good old days" of DNForum. Honestly, I can't think of any domain marketplace that doesn't offer an inventory of mixed quality. That's just part of the business. GoDaddy, Sedo, Afternic, BuyDomains, even Frank Schilling's "Domain Name Sales"--they all have their fair share of domains I wouldn't touch even at lower prices. And even the major mailing lists showcase some domains that raise an eyebrow. And that's okay.

There are 2 points I'd like to raise.

#1. Domain values are somewhat subjective, compared to gold bullion, houses, stock shares, and cars. Yes, most of the domains we perceive as worthless are worthless; but some of the domains that don't interest you or me ultimately will sell to the right person. So who should be rejecting posts on DNForum? Whose standards should be used? Do we really want DNForum to be an elitist venue that excludes those who are new to domaining?

#2. This thread as a whole is symptomatic of a major deficiency within the domain industry, in my opinion. What's missing is esprit de corps, "team spirit", and cooperative good will. Compared to other industries and communities I've participated in, it still seems to me that the domain industry suffers from an excess of petty jealousy and spiteful infighting. That's especially true in the forums. Maybe that's inevitable when people are trying to sell each other stuff they don't want themselves or else feel like they have to beat off domain pan handlers all the time. But I also think that people are prone to behave like jackasses when they're communicating via computer rather than face to face--which only leads to more rudeness and counterproductive *****ing.

If anybody reading this thread truly wants a better environment on DNForum and a better professional culture elsewhere in the domain industry, how about the following:

1. If another domainer is clueless, clue the person in as politely and fairly as possible.
2. If there's a domain for sale that you don't like, take a deep breath and move forward.
3. If you wish there were better domains listed at more reasonable prices, take your best domain and list it at a price that's guaranteed to sell. Anything else is hypocrisy.
4. Above all, try to think of other domainers as your COLLEAGUES, even if you didn't hire them.

[P.S. How cute of DNForum to automatically **** out my profanity!]

 

[draggar]

Yes, that's why I don't want to look at the domains listed here in details any more? Only come here on and off.

I don't think it's worth it considering time and effort.

Those of us with a good eye and a fast mouse trigger can pick up some good deals here.

 

[Biggie]

I only entered the domain industry 9 months ago; so I cannot speak about the "good old days" of DNForum. Honestly, I can't think of any domain marketplace that doesn't offer an inventory of mixed quality. That's just part of the business. GoDaddy, Sedo, Afternic, BuyDomains, even Frank Schilling's "Domain Name Sales"--they all have their fair share of domains I wouldn't touch even at lower prices. And even the major mailing lists showcase some domains that raise an eyebrow. And that's okay.

There are 2 points I'd like to raise.

#1. Domain values are somewhat subjective, compared to gold bullion, houses, stock shares, and cars. Yes, most of the domains we perceive as worthless are worthless; but some of the domains that don't interest you or me ultimately will sell to the right person. So who should be rejecting posts on DNForum? Whose standards should be used? Do we really want DNForum to be an elitist venue that excludes those who are new to domaining?

#2. This thread as a whole is symptomatic of a major deficiency within the domain industry, in my opinion. What's missing is esprit de corps, "team spirit", and cooperative good will. Compared to other industries and communities I've participated in, it still seems to me that the domain industry suffers from an excess of petty jealousy and spiteful infighting. That's especially true in the forums. Maybe that's inevitable when people are trying to sell each other stuff they don't want themselves or else feel like they have to beat off domain pan handlers all the time. But I also think that people are prone to behave like jackasses when they're communicating via computer rather than face to face--which only leads to more rudeness and counterproductive *****ing.

If anybody reading this thread truly wants a better environment on DNForum and a better professional culture elsewhere in the domain industry, how about the following:

1. If another domainer is clueless, clue the person in as politely and fairly as possible.
2. If there's a domain for sale that you don't like, take a deep breath and move forward.
3. If you wish there were better domains listed at more reasonable prices, take your best domain and list it at a price that's guaranteed to sell. Anything else is hypocrisy.
4. Above all, try to think of other domainers as your COLLEAGUES, even if you didn't hire them.

[P.S. How cute of DNForum to automatically **** out my profanity!]

great expression of opinion, imo


to your two points.


1. i think we all will agree values are subjective, as i stated that when it comes to the perception of "premium"

there have been a few in the biz who have tried to 'standardize' market values for domains, particularly 4 letters and shorter.
trust me, you don't want any other entity setting standards on your domain names, as such attempts have already hurt the market by "labeling" letters of the alphabet as "premium to non-premium".

this standardization removes the ability for the domain to be seen for it's creative potential and limits the evaluation down to each letter that makes up the whole. thus, the "triple-premium or double premium bullshiz-zit" you see today.

you didn't see that in the past, so those coming in now, are already "pre-brainwashed", thus they bid accordingly.

2. in every industry there are cutthroats, scammers, jealousy and envy, and there is also immaturity.


still, there are members here who have that cooperative spirit and they find a way to work together to do business, even when they may have had 'arguments' on the forum in the past.

people basically behave according to their parenting and environment they are raised in.

when they come here, some will try to emulate the negativity of others and some will takes cues from the positive, and there are those who will stay who they were, before they came.

 

[dcristo]

pre-brainwashed lol that's gold.

 

[David G]

....... Obviously referring to the onslaught of threads tiltled "triple premium" or "ultra generic" that attempt to gloss over the POS domain beneath.

Lately they are also using BS words such as fabulous or fantastic names, and other nonsense terms. One reason these misleading words can be used so easily is we are not allowed to post in sale threads. There have been numerous ones where I want to post something like "did you forget to list the fantastic or premium domains" but could not do that due to the rules which is unfortunate. IMO, that rule needs to be removed.

 

[ImageAuthors]

There have been numerous ones where I want to post something like "did you forget to list the fantastic or premium domains" but could not do that due to the rules which is unfortunate. IMO, that rule needs to be removed.

Of course, I know what you're talking about. But think about how that would affect the atmosphere on here. PM-ing an ironic comment gets 2 thumbs up from me. But posting disparaging remarks in somebody's sales thread? That's like walking into a store where other people are shopping just to sneer loudly at the merchandise in front of the shopkeeper and the customers. Not precisely gentlemanly behavior! And pretty soon everybody on DNForum would be tense and vindictive.

Let's keep that good-humored distance. It's like an open mike: You don't have to give a standing ovation or even clap, but please don't boo and throw tomatoes. Remember, you're up next.