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Very good.. I hoping the IDN will be a standard within the next 5 years, and if it will, I'm sure you will know about it :)
 

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Frankly, if doesn't happen within 2 years, it won't happen at all. Soon, you'll see ASCII domains being dumped liked Betamax Video Recorders!

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dwrixon said:
Frankly, if doesn't happen within 2 years, it won't happen at all. Soon, you'll see ASCII domains being dumped liked Betamax Video Recorders!

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When you mean ascii domains you mean general domains?
 

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Yes, IDN use an extended Unicode character set. ASCII is limited to the English Alphabet, hypens and numbers, which is all that can be put through the DNS. That is why IDN are convert to punycode, which only comprises ASCII characters. In fact even with IDN all that you actually register is ASCII, but what you see and input through an IDN enable browser enables the use of any standardised Unicode characters, which includes those required to write the languages of Asia.

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dwrixon said:
you'll see ASCII domains being dumped liked Betamax Video Recorders!

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You are dreaming again
 

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rawkinrich said:
When you mean ascii domains you mean general domains?

I think it's not appropriate to generalize idn, one must remember the differences in cultures, wealth, internet penetration, and anglo-affinity of the different countries.

For example, English is considered an elite language among tertiary educated people in commonwealth states - which is practically the entire internet user base for many improverished countries.

In the far east, China is more comfortable with ABC due to pinyin and English being the second language, while Koreans are nationalistic and prefer to use Hangul more than any other languages, be it Hanja or ABC, and i guess that the Japanese are somewhere in between.

In terms of broadband Internet user base, Korea has the highest market penetration (higher than in the West), followed distantly by Japan, and then China.

I'm not so familiar with the conditions in Europe though.
 

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You might as well register RamaRamaDingDing.com

Just my $.02.

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dwrixon said:
I am assuming that these are correct.

xn--54b6eqazv8bc7e.com বাংলাদেশ Bangladesh
xn--mgbai9azgqp6j.net پاکستان Pakistan

Mind you I registered this this morning

xn--p1b8cait9ab3c0j4bd.com उत्तरप्रदेश Uttar Pradesh

which actually has a larger population than either of them.

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hey ... who broke up the circle jerk?
 

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stuff said:
You are dreaming again

I agree that IDN's can be a very value asset to the domain world, as I say time will tell, but I think it's a little over the top to say they will take over general ascii domains.
 

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I think it's an exxageration for Dave to say that but I think the thought he would like to express is instead of domainers registering

ConsultingHomesRightNow.com

or any other name that obvious makes no sense with the owner looking to register it sell it.

It's getting like squeezing water out of a rock.

The IDN market is wide open with available good domains with basic keywords & very high OVT results.
 

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I think it's not appropriate to generalize idn, one must remember the differences in cultures, wealth, internet penetration, and anglo-affinity of the different countries.

Absolute agree, all market need careful analysis.

For example, English is considered an elite language among tertiary educated people in commonwealth states - which is practically the entire internet user base for many improverished countries.

True, but if the rest are being excluded due to language barriers then the argument for the adoption of IDN is all more the powerful.

If the assumption is that you are only attempting to market to the Tertiary educated English fluent minority, then don't go the IDN route!

However, the internet has been a huge boon to the US economy and many in the third world see it being such there. Ultimately, popular sites have to be aimed at the lowest common denominator, and that will be the local lanaguage.


In the far east, China is more comfortable with ABC due to pinyin and English being the second language, while Koreans are nationalistic and prefer to use Hangul more than any other languages, be it Hanja or ABC, and i guess that the Japanese are somewhere in between.

The Chinese will undoubtedly use English to market to the US, they are not stupid, but the presumption that the Chinese Economy is purely about sweat shop manufacture for Western consumption to earn the daily bowl of rice, is total wrong. Most of China's economy is based on internal supply and demand, indeed most of the investment is coming from internal sources, and the proceeds are going to finance US debt.

If you want to market to growing middle class within China, it will have to be done in Chinese. The Chinese do not access the internet using either English or Pinyin. This is now the biggest market in the world for certain classes of consumer good, notably mobile phones, computers and even cars. The US cannot sell its car production at home, if it thinks it will do so in China using advertising in English, then its car industry is surely doomed.


In terms of broadband Internet user base, Korea has the highest market penetration (higher than in the West), followed distantly by Japan, and then China.

Well, this may be true but China now has more Broadband connections than the US and is rolling them out at an incredible rate. If you are building a marketing strategy it must be based on predictions about where things are going to be 2 to 5 years from now, not on out of date statistics collected 2 to 5 years ago!

I'm not so familiar with the conditions in Europe though.

In Europe things are not generally that promising for IDN, most of the major economies have languages that use Non-ASCII characters quite sparingly and these are not required for understanding. I think in most European languages IDN will play second fiddle.

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You might as well register RamaRamaDingDing.com

Just my $.02.

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Well perhaps you should check domains wanted once in while. I have made sales in the 4 figure range and I am getting a few approaches. But if you want to carry on, like many of Newbies on here, registering any ASCII string that is less than 30 characters that is a typo of something that is conceivably pronouncable, that is fine by me!

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Currently, middle east countries' economy and internet policy has stunted its growth. You should have regged Asian IDNs such as Chinese or Japanese.
 

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In Europe things are not generally that promising for IDN, most of the major economies have languages that use Non-ASCII characters quite sparingly and these are not required for understanding. I think in most European languages IDN will play second fiddle.

I see what you mean about European IDN not being as necessary as in Asia,but I think European IDN is extremely healthy.
I receive offers weekly on my top French,Spanish,and Turkish IDN's.My 25-30 high traffic IDN's are earning close to $3000 per month in PPC,and I expect that to increase considerably with the release of IE7.
Every Sedo IDN sale to date has been European,so I think they are realizing the importance.
 

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dillpupp said:
I see what you mean about European IDN not being as necessary as in Asia,but I think European IDN is extremely healthy.
I receive offers weekly on my top French,Spanish,and Turkish IDN's.My 25-30 high traffic IDN's are earning close to $3000 per month in PPC,and I expect that to increase considerably with the release of IE7.
Every Sedo IDN sale to date has been European,so I think they are realizing the importance.

Well, as i said in another post, Germans got the money. It's all about buying power.

$3000 a mth for 25-30 IDNs is very interesting, my congrats, and i hope my experiment with japanese idns will work out - currently i can't seem to make Sedo accept Kanji...:-(
 

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touchring said:
Well, as i said in another post, Germans got the money. It's all about buying power.

$3000 a mth for 25-30 IDNs is very interesting, my congrats, and i hope my experiment with japanese idns will work out - currently i can't seem to make Sedo accept Kanji...:-(

The earnings is probably explained by the high uptake of Firefox in Germany. In the Far East I think we will have to wait for IE 7.0.

Sedo does accept Kanji and you can get some earnings on Far East Domains, but traffic is currently light and Keyword bids on Adwords light because the markets are dominated by Yahoo and Baidu respectively.

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dillpupp said:
I see what you mean about European IDN not being as necessary as in Asia,but I think European IDN is extremely healthy.
I receive offers weekly on my top French,Spanish,and Turkish IDN's.My 25-30 high traffic IDN's are earning close to $3000 per month in PPC,and I expect that to increase considerably with the release of IE7.
Every Sedo IDN sale to date has been European,so I think they are realizing the importance.(

Nobody, is making that kind of money on Asian Domains at the moment, but I think it is largely down to a lack of browser support. Even in Europe these earnings could increase fourfold with release of IE 7.0.

Anyway, that is good business by the sound of it. I still think that the our Chinese Domains will be much more valuable longer-term, which is why I am not going to sell them for high $xx. Potential market is bigger, we have some extremely interesting Keywords and we have a lot more of them.

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Currently, middle east countries' economy and internet policy has stunted its growth. You should have regged Asian IDNs such as Chinese or Japanese.

Well Bangladesh and Pakistan are not Middle East they are South Asia, but their economies are expanding quite healthily. I did, however, extend my portfolio in Arabic dot net to Libya, Sudan, Bahrain, Somalia, Mauratainia and DJibuti.

Arabic and other right to left scripts won't work properly until they have IDN.IDN support. It is one thing change scripts, changing cursor direction is a nightmare.

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Jeffreyw said:
Currently, middle east countries' economy and internet policy has stunted its growth. You should have regged Asian IDNs such as Chinese or Japanese.

Is that so, no wonder there are still great Arabic names to reg? I recently hand reg an arabic name with a US overture of 45,000!
 

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touchring said:
Is that so, no wonder there are still great Arabic names to reg. I recently hand reg an arabic name with a US overture of 45,000!

So it was you that picked up the equivalent of Chat.com!!!?

I don't know whether anyone has noticed the dramatic shift in supply and demand in the Crude market these days. Do you think that might have some impact on any of the Middle East economies?

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I think Arab economies has nothing to do with the value of Arabic domains. The oil rich Arab countries always had lots of money. And like what you said, the right to left is a problem.

I think i remember i looked at Pakistan.net couple weeks ago, along with .net for some arab countries, but decided not to register them.

I was only going after .com, and found slovenska.com. Bangladesh.com i would register if it was available though. :)
 
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