A rebutal to mike031's comments on aeiou.com

[GAMEFINEST]

Buy couple of high end backlinks and you are on your way

 

[Gerry]

just thought it was quite humorous being that you are well known as not being a newbie in the biz.

 

[Rick Latona]

just thought it was quite humorous being that you are well known as not being a newbie in the biz.

If you want AddisAbaba.com I know the owner and will finance you.. It's a good domain.

 

[Gerry]

If you want AddisAbaba.com I know the owner and will finance you.. It's a good domain.

Thank you for the offer.

Always a salesman. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[GAMEFINEST]

case in point,


Men.com


crappiest site I have seen....for a such a great name

 

[IBN]

Perhaps I missed it but looking at the Case studies I didn't come across how much revenue the names receive. Is there any case study from aeiou that shows a before and after from parking stats to mini site stats as far as revenue is concerned. If I remember correctly, I have read that aeiou has taken names that did not get any traffic or parking rev and those domains are now doing well with development. What are the numbers? 2-3 dollars a week, A million. What has the average name done in comparison to what is was before joining aeiou.
Thanks...

 

[Cartoonz]

...I think the person most notably missing in action is Mike who started the other thread. It'd be great to read his posts in a thread that makes sense

That's exactly the problem. His posts rarely do make any sense.

They seem to be designed to elicit personal attacks, invented controversy, and flame wars.

As for my .02 cents on the topic, mini-sites...

The Malibu beach property analogy as an example - The arguments of "Mansion or nothing" is absurd.
Tia hit the nail on the head with this comment:

Very simple. They don't want to park. And it isn't the time for them to fully develop that particular domain yet.

You don't always have to put a mansion on prime beach. Sometimes you just want a public drink stand. Or a dock.

You don't like what they built? Buy the property or build what you want on your own property.

And, FYI, there ARE plenty of "underdeveloped in your own view" properties in Malibu... and some of those "drink stands" make a fortune, too.

Look, if you don't like the mini-site concept - don't use them. Simple as that.

But coming in here to venomously attack someone else that does this is just ridiculous.
/rant off>

 

[tonyfloyd]

Cartoonz....nobody is attacking anybody....relax guy....its just my opinion....i just don't agree with minisites being built on million dollar names....not something i would do...that's all im saying...u want to go ahead and do it...im all for it.....but...i see that as "LAZY" and "CHEAP" on your part....that's it man.....that's my view......not an attack....u agree...great...u don't..no worries....

 

[SuccessClick]

Acro, you bash Mike at Wannadevelop.com (and rightfully so) for attacking Ricky's AEIOU, but you yourself chose to attack WhyPark for 404 traffic misunderstandings on this same forum just two days ago. You didn't give us the chance to answer, nor suggested people to wait for that answer before getting ACRO-monious on us. (No, I'm not going to provide the link.) I'm just disappointed in the diverse stance you took with two similar (and friendly) companies working hard to give domainers' new monetization solutions, and your hypocritical comments about Mike's lame post.

For the record:WhyPark supports both Rick Latona's AEIOU.com services and Geoff Nuval's EVO LANDING in their domain monetization theories regarding domain buildouts, and we believe their companies honestly offer domainers great opportunities to monetize domains that don't get typein traffic. Whypark has gone through the fire for almost three years, paid their dues, listened and learned from their users, and rebuilt their system from the ground up in order to address a lot of development concerns discussed in this thread.

I feel that Mike "Wannadevelop.com"'s comments about AEIOU (and WhyPark and EVO by connection) are beyond unprofessional and unsubstantiated. This seems to be an unfortunate post that at best, we can only hope originated from a hard night of drinking and some newcomer frustration.

It's almost like seeing a photo of a bee stinging the beekeeper's helmet, with a little comic bubble over the dying bee's head:

"I'm stinging the impervious image of what is robbing my hive of honey. Yay for martyrdom! Can I get a huzzah, hooray, or even a... uhhh... ah... man I feel funny... ooooh... where did my ass just go? ... argghhh... umm, sir, can I have my stinger back? What does martyrdom mean again?"

Seriously, when I post a comment about content development (domain development), I most always include AEIOU and EVO as important alternatives for all domainers to consider along with WhyPark. Each has their own processes, pricing and features, so domainers have to decide which works best for them. In fact, I encourage all domainers who are sick of seeing their brandable, generic domains get little traffic, little CTR, and no payouts from parking services that even worse, don't have the ability to index or monetize these types of domains for the future, to check out the Content Development Services (CDS) for alternative solutions.

WhyPark is dedicated to helping domainers gain revenue and value from the domains they feel are valuable, but aren't "typein" naturals. We would all love to have those one word naturals that a few hundred smart domainers nabbed 10+ years ago, but that isn't possible anymore for 99% of the domain industry. However, that doesn't mean a domainer's 2-3 word generic phrase doesn't have any value! It CAN have value, especially if it is a descriptive generic domain. I personally say this because I sell these types of domains every week and I make good money doing it.

Many domainers don't realize that the majority of prodservs (products and services) in the world need 2-3 words to describe what they are. For example: "Organic Search Content" - this important subject can't be described in one word. It doesn't get much typein traffic as a domain, but for keyword searches at SE's, maybe I'll get visitors to this domain if I get the correct "organic search content" on the website.

The keyword buildup and organic search content you can create with correctly-built websites, with new content each week, SEO understanding, and weekly attention will bring in traffic to help you achieve many monetization goals and give you a decent ROI at least in the long run.

I run a domain consulting/brokerage service. I won't make comments about the success of my company, but I can say that I live very comfortably and I'm happy working with my clients and selling my own/my clients' domains. So it's a selling point for WhyPark when I state here that I joined WhyPark as their VP of Biz Dev because I reviewed their service, saw the expertise, dedication, and ethical platform of the WhyPark founder, Craig Rowe, and his team, and the huge financial support from a WhyPark customer who was so happy with WhyPark's results with his own domains that he invested in the company. There is no better endorsement than that.

The president of WhyPark, Craig Rowe, is someone who wants to see his customers WIN and succeed beyond their expectations of what a parking service could do for them. Even with the success of my own company, I couldn't pass up the opportunities of being a part of a new generation of easy monetization paths that WhyPark offers the domain community. Whypark gives your nonperforming domains a chance for less than a dollar a domain to get started creating value on DOMAINS THAT WE DOMAINERS KNOW HAVE VALUE, but the PS's aren't giving us either a rev return, NOR any possibility of SE indexing.

This is a big point for domainers to understand: As long as you have domains parked with PS's that don't pay you at least $.65 a month in PPC revenue, you are losing money on that domain's renewal. Even more importantly, because it is parked at a PS, your domain isn't set up to get indexed by a SE and is sitting dormant, day by day gaining NOTHING. WhyPark (and other CDS's) change that losing position and gives you the opportunity to get value on your domains through content development.

Every domain flipper knows that endusers are the top payers for your domain's value, and endusers LOVE to see a domain name you're selling appear as a website with content relevant to their prodserv. This obviously adds value to your domain. No enduser gets excited seeing adlinks from a PS landing page.

So if you spend money at AEIOU to get your non-performing domain developed into a bookmarkable website, then you invested well. If you go to EVO and get a content-developed website from a domain that made you NOTHING at a PS for six years, but now is being indexed on Yahoo and getting organic traffic, then your investment with EVO was a good move. If you spend money at WhyPark using our services to build out content relevant to your keywords, that money WILL be leveraged to a ROI that eventually pays out through several monetization paths. Take just one: Aftermarket sale.

You find an enduser whose prodserv matches your domain's phrase keywords (superexample.com), and that enduser will be more apt to purchase your domain if the site shows relevant content that matches their prodserv. THIS IS WHAT ENDUSERS ARE LOOKING FOR.

So you spent $250 at AEIOU to make your domain name look good, possibly get indexed, maybe even get a flow of traffic and return visitors. GOOD INVESTMENT, even over the long run if you don't sell it right away. But what if two years from now, you sell that domain for $1500? You have about $35 in renewal costs, $250 in development costs, so your profit is at least $1200 on less than a $300 investment. hmmmm sounds like this is the way to go to MAKE MONEY in the domain industry. Multiply this approach by only 20 times. You can invest in building out 20 domains at AEIOU, sell five of them to get your ROI, and the other 15 are total cake. It happens, many domainers do this, it's a no-brainer. But it ISN'T A CAKEWALK. You have to understand and learn and listen and work, and invest.

I'm shocked that Mike from WannaDevelop.com attacked Rick (and he did, even though Mike says he didn't). Mike may be young, or just trying to make a name for himself *hmmm. reminds me of myself a few years ago:lol:*, but if you are going to make these types of unsubstantiated attacks on your COMPETITORS, you'd better be pointing out blatant ripoff tactics. Mike was not able to do this, and I'm sad for him and his company taking this position.

WhyPark's position is simply this: Domain development through content and design is wide open and an extremely important part of ALL DOMAINERS' PORTFOLIO MONETIZATION. You can add photos, additional pages, write 50+ words a day for new content, change up your templates, hire our custom writers for original content or use our other add-on services, and even place your own 3rd party ads or products, to make sure your website stands as a useful site for visitors.

WhyPark supports AEIOU and EVO LANDING's efforts to help domainers with new and needed solutions. Although their approach is different from ours, we understand the need for their services from all domainers. Unless you are Andrew and Zappy at InternetRealestate.com, none of us own domains that generate enough typein traffic to generate significant revenue to rest in our lounge chairs and hope the adlinks don't suddenly pop like bubbles. Incidentally, even they are building out their domains. One by one.

Final Note: Every serious domainer needs to look at their portfolio and assess the value of each domain, and how that value can best be obtained. Some can resell for cheap, or try for big bucks on auctions if the domains are accepted, or just let the domain ride on PS's, or build content and quickly develop the domain to get indexed and possible organic search traffic. Of course, lastly, believe in the power of one domain you own so much that you will spend $250,000 developing it out, with a CS team, development team, and a marketing team. That $250k isn't going to last long!

peacek:

I do web & graphics development full-time, building web sites from concept to completion - including corporate branding and everything inbetween, from print ads to billboard design. My web experience goes back to 1995, so I've seen it all through the years.

Rick's AEIOU service offers a comprehensive design, closely tied to the subject of the domain, an easy way for the domain owner to make further edits to the content and a proven method to monetize it via Adsense. For the price, the benefits are many and as a boutique service it works wonders. Rick tapped a niche market at the right time and he is to be applauded; that's entrepreneurial spirit in action.

Incidentally, I purchased a couple of domains that were developed by Rick's AEIOU service for the domain seller, that still maintain their Google results and visibility even after I moved them to pure parking.

It is very sad that Mike031 decided in that other thread to outright bash Rick's AEIOU minisite service in a biased and untruthful manner.

 

[Cartoonz]

Cartoonz....nobody is attacking anybody....

you didn't read the original post in the original thread, huh?

 

[Tia Wood]

Has anyone realized by now that Mike posts these threads (if search doesn't show, look at past forum posts), articles, blog posts and comments on blog posts for shameless plugs?

http://www.wannadevelop.com/reviews/mini-site-domain-development/

... Anybody who still is a believer and supporter of those types of crappy mini sites that look like from 2002 (I call it like I see it) I will offer anybody who wants the famous Rick Latona style aeiou.com "rapid minisites" at a quantity of 10 or more at only $999/10 sites. Yup.. You get the same exact layout. The same exact content. The same exact non existent marketing and seo campaigns. For less than half the price!! Take the more than $1000 in savings thanks to my generosity and buy your self a membership at SEOmoz.org and SEObook.com and learn about search engine optimization and search marketing instead of always relying on others... You are welcome. PS --- Limited time offer!

Reminds me of the Rick Jerk style of marketing: everyone else is crappy and only I am good and know what I'm talking about.

 

[Sonny Banks]

Has anyone realized by now that Mike posts these threads (if search doesn't show, look at past forum posts), articles, blog posts and comments on blog posts for shameless plugs?

http://www.wannadevelop.com/reviews/mini-site-domain-development/


Reminds me of the Rick Jerk style of marketing: everyone else is crappy and only I am good and know what I'm talking about.

Has anyone realized??
I say this from 15 days...it's clear the guy want spam his website only and create beefs.

Where is now he can reply to Rick??
I don't see Mike anymore on this thread lol

Ohhh...he's on Bido's chatroom now

 

[Theo]

Stephen, I responded in a thread of a customer of yours, I didn't start a thread bashing Whypark as you claim. There is a difference there, my friend.

If you want to start something, I'd love to set up an account at WhyPark and dissect it. I am rather experienced with parking companies and have no problem providing an accurate, unbiased report.

To come here and leave snotty comments about me as part of your contribution to an unrelated thread, tells me that the fact that a customer of yours was wondering "wtf?" was going on with their 404 redirected traffic means that your FAQ section needs some updating. Going public about it leaves me with the impression that *perhaps* the 404 issue was resolved after the WhyPark customer raised some issues.

Acro, you bash Mike at Wannadevelop.com (and rightfully so) for attacking Ricky's AEIOU, but you yourself chose to attack WhyPark for 404 traffic misunderstandings on this same forum just two days ago. You didn't give us the chance to answer, nor suggested people to wait for that answer before getting ACRO-monious on us. (No, I'm not going to provide the link.) I'm just disappointed in the diverse stance you took with two similar (and friendly) companies working hard to give domainers' new monetization solutions, and your hypocritical comments about Mike's lame post.

This has been obvious from the get-go. The threads are nothing but spam, as Greg (Fearless) openly stated at some point.

Has anyone realized by now that Mike posts these threads (if search doesn't show, look at past forum posts), articles, blog posts and comments on blog posts for shameless plugs?

http://www.wannadevelop.com/reviews/mini-site-domain-development/


Reminds me of the Rick Jerk style of marketing: everyone else is crappy and only I am good and know what I'm talking about.

 

[fab]

Our 1 year ROI goal, is just that - a goal. We screen each domain to make sure they fit the bill and do our best to protect our clients investments. It does not take domains with type in traffic to meet this goal. In fact some of our best performers have been names with ZERO type in traffic.

Do you mean you expect the domain's development expenses (i.e., your costs) to be returned within one year. If so, how often do you obtain this goal?

 

[robertsz]

Is anyone looking for a designer / partner to make mini sites? I am looking to start. I have been designing custom sites and can crank out some great stuff. PM me if interested. I am looking to work for a firm or have someone help get me business as a partner.

 

[Gerry]

Has anyone realized by now that Mike posts these comments on blog posts for shameless plugs?

Realized that from many of the threads here.

Traffic is traffic, from any source.

Throw in a few keywords and phrases and watch the google rankings jump!

That is what I was getting a big kick out of seeing the days old threads on .mobi that some would never let die.

Whomever owned the .mobi being talked about surely saw a significant increase in traffic.

If you have a blog under a different name/url speaking about it here will only increase the profile and ranking, not to mention ever link and everthing people have in their signatures gets indexed.

Throw in a few tags at the bottom of the page and WALLA! instant viral marketing!

Besides, controversy is free publicity.

The amount of time and money it would take to get everyone talking about the same thing is immeasurable.

 

[jasdon11]

Rick.....when i buy beachfront property....i would rather build a mansion on it...than a shack....until i get around to building the mansion....just my views.....domainers that try to develop is not a good mix.....u are either a domainer...or a developer....like in the asset management world.....u are either an asset gatherer...or an asset manager...you can't do both....

these are just my views....

It's a ROI thing - sometimes it's better to not build anything at all.

I've seen a 5 year old house sold for over £1m that got demolished within a few months so they could build something else. The buyer obviously was only interested in the plot, and would've paid more had the original house not been there.

Acro, you bash Mike at Wannadevelop.com (and rightfully so) for attacking Ricky's AEIOU, but you yourself chose to attack WhyPark for 404 traffic misunderstandings on this same forum just two days ago. You didn't give us the chance to answer, nor suggested people to wait for that answer before getting ACRO-monious on us. (No, I'm not going to provide the link.) I'm just disappointed in the diverse stance you took with two similar (and friendly) companies working hard to give domainers' new monetization solutions, and your hypocritical comments about Mike's lame post.

peacek:

Stephen, it was me who brought up the Whypark 404 issue - as you know, I did you the courtesy of PMing you with a link to the thread.....last Friday.

I received a reply after a few days from support, but have to say, it wasn't satisfactory. The reply indicated that Whypark were copying what 'other' parking companies do, but the reason that I paid for the Whypark service was because I thought they weren't a parking company.

I also found it odd that I should have to find out your policy change by accident instead of being asked or notified in advance.

.....

As for mike031 - he's just trying every cheap trick to drum up some trade; obviously jealous of others who are getting business. I see he's been asked previously to offer some samples of sites they've done, but either hasn't any to show, or isn't very proud of them - I can't think of a third reason not to post any.

 

[Tia Wood]

Besides, controversy is free publicity.

Doc Com smells like peanut butter. Pass it on. :cheesy:

 

[Theo]

I can't believe this brain clot actually bashes Rick Latona on his web site. He's also busy spreading the "wisdom" in other blogs.

 

[katherine]

Disgraceful and downright unethical to bash on the competition like that IMO.
Besides, we have yet to see the wonders that he produces on a daily basis. Maybe he doesn't actually have a client portfolio yet