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For Sale Are getting names at auctions getting ridiculous?

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Sarcle said:
Actually it is not an opinion it is a fact, your investments are only worth what they can sell for if you buy gold now at 800 an ounce then you just made a big mistake.....
Same with bonds stocks and funds, along with domains......

While domain speculation resembles the trade of commodities or stock, there are key differences:

1. No domain is a commodity. While there are many similar domains, no two domains are identical. Likening domain valuation to stock valuation is ridiculous, as a missed domain sale is quite possible the one and only opportunity to purchase that asset.

2. The ROI for of a domain may be different in the hands of different investors. With stock or other markets, the value of the asset is fairly constant, irrespective of its owner. Domains, on the other hand, have varying value depending on who owns, and consequently markets and/or develops the domain. A well-developed domain may hold additional extrensic value. In this industry, a good percent of domain investors are also developers and/or entrepreneurs, which means the value of the domain may double or triple in their minds, and rightfully so.

3. The P/E ratio for domains is much more attractive than for stock. Consider that a domain bought in the wholesale market will generally return its purchase price in 1-2 years in parking revenue alone, that's 1.0 to 2.0 P/E (not to mention aftermarket value). Stock is attractive as high as 20.0 P/E, yet for a domain with such a yield, most would say it is vastly overpriced. Some might say that this is due to the volatility of the domain marketplace, but I would differ (especially when it comes to certain types of persistent traffic, such as type-in and generics). Therefore the comfort level of each investor dictates his price, not some fixed price for all investors.

4. Finally, simply "selling" domains at an immediate profit is not what many of us are in business to do. If buying gold at $800/oz allows an investor to corner the market, or drive up prices on Gold such that the buyer can then slowly sell his assets at tomorrow's overinflated prices, then I would hardly classify this as a "big mistake". This appears to be the strategy taken by the larger domain aggregators such as BuyDomains -- and while cornering the .com domain aftermarket may or may not be their goal, it certainly isn't too far-fetched an idea.

I'm sure I can think of other differences too, but at 2:45 in the morning, this is about the best I can come up with. :-P I guess my point is, that as more and more domain buyers enter the expired domain marketplace, ratios such as ROI, IRR, P/E will approach values of other marketplace securities, but for now, well-chosen domains are still a profitable venture, even at today's sometimes-overinflated prices.
 

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No, there is no hard feelings at all and I do see your point.....Yeah I do love a good non-harmful argument.

I would really like to know the name that the origional poster bought.
 

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guile said:
Anyway, this is going nowhere. It was good for an argument while it lasted and I had fun =) I guess your smartass comment kind of set me off, or I just took it the wrong way. Regardless, I'm not posting in this thread anymore. No hard feelings.

Rats, took too long to write my post, and missed a good argument. :cheeky:
 

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Flea8 I see your's also, it's to bad you missed the battle maybe next time....lol
 

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mole said:
I was in a shoot out with another guy just now for a very normal non-descript name and had to fight to $8k just to get it.(

I can't believe it was that normal or non-descript if you paid that much for it.
 

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I can't believe it was that normal or non-descript if you paid that much for it.

Gosh did I state that? This person spent this money and is compaining. It was your choice....anyways. what was the name? or is it that bad that you won't say? I have seen you watching this thread so tell us. In fact your watching right now.
 

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mole said:
I was in a shoot out with another guy just now for a very normal non-descript name and had to fight to $8k just to get it. Oh the pain!

Everyone seems to be ignoring the real question here. Was it a ".com"? Mole? :-O
 

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Interesting thread.

I think it is true that as little as one or two years ago, it was possible to pick up 10 domains for X dollars and sell one or two to recover investment and make a 2X or 3X profit during the following 6 to 12 months.

Now it may be harder to pick up names so cheaply and it might take a full 12 months to recover investment on the 10 names and make only 50% or 100% profit.

Maybe times are getting harder.

If mole could invest $8k two years ago and make 200% to 300% profit in 6 to 12 months, but now can only make 50% profit in a full 12 months on his investment (and hard work and risk), then I can understand that it isn't ideal for him.

However, it would still perhaps be a reasonable investment of $8k, just not as profitable as it used to be.

My 2 centavos worth.
 
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