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COLLAPSE OF the MOBI & IDN MARKETS -- the aftermath

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George Verdugo

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who is this cat????? thats his opinion. then everyone who has a .net,uk,de,etc r screwed 90% of us dont own a one word generic .com its wierd that i seen very few people talk trash about the uk , de , .me etc , .mobi is a special domain for mobile, nobody can claim that in all domaining industries. my iphone is everything to me , i thank god i dont have to carry around my laptop , i go mobile and make a lot of money on my deals in my car , fastfood joint etc everything is going mobile and eventually we are all giong to have chips in our hands and forheads, idenchip... peace!!!!:eek:k:
 

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So everyone is in agreement that there is no one way nor no one right way to make or promote a mobile site.

Correct?

Otherwise, every site would already be mobile compatible and each site would be done exactly the same way, each and every time, because there is only one way, correct?

Are all domainers, designers, programmers, webmasters, and concerned parties in agreement?

Gee, now I am beginning to wonder why there was ever a need for .net, .org, .info or any ccTLD's.
 

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Gee, now I am beginning to wonder why there was ever a need for .net, .org, .info or any ccTLD's.


There isn't. There shouldn't even be TLDs. Should just type a name in and get to the site. TLD-less navigation is what it should've been. All you would be able to do is register the name itself.

Too late now.
 

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There isn't. There shouldn't even be TLDs. Should just type a name in and get to the site. TLD-less navigation is what it should've been. All you would be able to do is register the name itself.

Too late now.
I could not agree more. Language prompted based on geo location.
 

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IDN drops - an estimate

For September, 2009 - 72,000
September, 2008 - 156,000

From larger to smaller
Chinese
Japanese
Slavic
Latin
Arabic
Hebrew
 

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After reading these 9 pages..... I don't know who won.... :(

Those that got in early and got some decent names are those that won.

I saw some guy say he did not have single words in dot Com. Well I can tell you we have thousands and not just words but good commercial terms. Just not English.

I could not agree more. Language prompted based on geo location.

Well, I guess you will just have to go and set up your own Internet because those that run this one aren't even interested.
 

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Well, I guess you will just have to go and set up your own Internet because those that run this one aren't even interested.
Give it time.

computers and phones will continue to get smarter. If phones can be taught voice prompts they may eventually recognize spoken language.

Plus, I look for browsers to be so intuitive, that you could bang out a blog in your native chinese (if that were your language) and I would read it in English simply by being my default language.

I honestly see this as not being so far off in the distance.
 

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Give it time.

computers and phones will continue to get smarter. If phones can be taught voice prompts they may eventually recognize spoken language.

Plus, I look for browsers to be so intuitive, that you could bang out a blog in your native chinese (if that were your language) and I would read it in English simply by being my default language.

I honestly see this as not being so far off in the distance.

That's as may be, but if you think ICANN are going to allow precision of navigation to go from their ideal of precise unique identification with no scope for confusion to Google "I'm Feeling Lucky" type navigation then you are dafter than I think you are!
 

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By then, ICANN will be a thing of the past

Only if you get your own internet up and running and nudge them out of the game. ICANN love them or loathe them are now in just about total control of the existing Internet.
 

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IDN drops - an estimate
For September, 2009 - 72,000
September, 2008 - 156,000
From larger to smaller
Chinese
Japanese
Slavic
Latin
Arabic
Hebrew

Source???

BTW, xn--0vq553c.com 倉敷.com Kurashiki.com (Japanese city) SOLD yesterday for $1,000.
IMO...a giveaway. All the IDN.jp cities are reseved by the registry and Japanese government.
.com wil be the top dog. Would guess that in less than 3 years it will will fetch xx,xxx.
 

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Frankly, I'm bored with this thread.

:asleep:
 

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Frankly, I'm bored with this thread. :asleep:

Maybe we can spice it up talking about what is happening **TODAY** at the ICANN meeting in Seoul, South Korea as reported in news stories on Yahoo, MSN, Wall Street Journal etc..

Seems the "stock" in IDNs has just gone up ;)

http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091026/ap_on_hi_te/as_tec_internet_names

Internet set for change with non-English addresses
By KELLY OLSEN, AP Business Writer - Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:58AM EDT

SEOUL, South Korea - The Internet is set to undergo one of the biggest changes in its four-decade history with the expected approval this week of international domain names — or addresses — that can be written in languages other than English, an official said Monday.

The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or ICANN — the non-profit group that oversees domain names — is holding a meeting this week in Seoul. Domain names are the monikers behind every Web site, e-mail address and Twitter post, such as ".com" and other suffixes.

One of the key issues to be taken up by ICANN's board at this week's gathering is whether to allow for the first time entire Internet addresses to be in scripts that are not based on Latin letters. That could potentially open up the Web to more people around the world as addresses could be in characters as diverse as Arabic, Korean, Japanese, Greek, Hindi and Cyrillic — in which Russian is written.

"This is the biggest change technically to the Internet since it was invented 40 years ago," Peter Dengate Thrush, chairman of the ICANN board, told reporters, calling it a "fantastically complicated technical feature." He said he expects the board to grant approval on Friday, the conference's final day.

The Internet's roots are traced to experiments at a U.S. university in 1969 but it wasn't until the early 1990s that its use began expanding beyond academia and research institutions to the public. Rod Beckstrom, ICANN's new president and CEO, said that if the change is approved, ICANN would begin accepting applications for non-English domain names and that the first entries into the system would likely come sometime in mid 2010.

Enabling the change, Thrush said, is the creation of a translation system that allows multiple scripts to be converted to the right address. "We're confident that it works because we've been testing it now for a couple of years," he said. "And so we're really ready to start rolling it out."

Of the 1.6 billion Internet users worldwide, Beckstrom — a former chief of U.S. cybersecurity — said that more than half use languages that have scripts based on alphabets other than Latin. "So this change is very much necessary for not only half the world's Internet users today, but more than half of probably the future users as the use of the Internet continues to spread," he said.

Beckstrom, in earlier remarks to conference participants, recalled that many people had said just three to five years ago that using non-Latin scripts for domain names would be impossible to achieve. "But you the community and the policy groups and staff and board have worked through them, which is absolutely incredible," he said.
 

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What, more propaganda?
I thought the chief propagandisto Goebbels

is dead
 

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What, more propaganda?
I thought the chief propagandisto Goebbels
is dead

WELL, enough "words" then....just follow the MONEY ;)

ICANN 2009 budget has $14,328,000 for IDN and new TLDs, that does not even include the money all the various registrars are going to spend to make it happen on the local levels. Imagine the budget for 2010 when the IDN gates open wide.

http://www.icann.org/planning/ops-bu...amework-09.pdf

The plan framework paints the picture of an ICANN of the future that has:
• rolled out hundreds of new operational TLD’s including IDN TLD’s;
• achieved significant progress on all of the strategic initiatives;
• and remained financially stable.
The three-year budget model provides a focal point for discussing and answering the many new gTLD and IDN questions such as timing, fees, risks, and market demand that the community should consider.

IDN and New gTLD expenses
...........................FY 2008 ...............FY 2009 ......................Change $
01- IDN Activities $ 968,000..............$2,111,000.................+$ 1,143,000
02- New gTLD implementation
........................$2,640,000..............$8 ,547,000.................+$5,907,000
03 - Operational systems for new gTLDs
.........................$ 165,000...............$3,670,000.................+ $3,505,000

Grand Total ........$3,773,000............$14,328,000... ...........+$10,555,000
 

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All major brands position themselves on the .COM

So, why undertake a rebranding effort for .mobi when you can just slap your mobile platform on.... mobile.WHATEVER.com

?
 

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mobile.WHATEVER.com

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Until the day comes that every single person in the world creates sites and accesses the sites in the exact same manner, anything goes.

In the meantime, no one wants to learn infinite URL's for the sake of a person's preference setting up the site:

wap.whatever.com
m.whatever.com
whatever.com/mobile
mobile.whatever.com


And until every browser and site is capable of displaying a mobile version, why cloud the issue with thousands of ways to connect?

You make the assumption every thing is as easy as what you proposed.

But don't forget, IDN. Again, now there will be infinite ways to connect to the internet let alone a mobile site.

Are you prepared to convey to the masses that this is the one and only way to connect a mobile site.

Somehow, I think your message will be lost...just as all the messages are lost now.

What are we going to do with over 260 TLD's and ccTLD's right now? What are we going to do with the potential thousands of TLD's to come?

Seriously, I am open to anything. Anything at all. If you want to talk coding, browser detection, we don't need this, we don't need that, it can already be done...

I'll ask "why is it not already being done?"

If the capability is here and now, then why is everyone doing it differently?

The same reason there is a .com, a .net, a .ca, a .cn - it is a matter of preferences.

And if domainers are going to continue to buy up generic and preferential domains purely for the sake of parking, then I will look closer and closer at .mobi domains purely for the sake of making a site. A site that will be used thanks to the millions of domains parked or not resolving.
 

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The latest story of idn geo sales reminds me of the stock sale by the CEOs of the companies on the brink of collapse
 

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Until the day comes that every single person in the world creates sites and accesses the sites in the exact same manner, anything goes.

In the meantime, no one wants to learn infinite URL's for the sake of a person's preference setting up the site:

wap.whatever.com
m.whatever.com
whatever.com/mobile
mobile.whatever.com


And until every browser and site is capable of displaying a mobile version, why cloud the issue with thousands of ways to connect?

You make the assumption every thing is as easy as what you proposed.

But don't forget, IDN. Again, now there will be infinite ways to connect to the internet let alone a mobile site.

Are you prepared to convey to the masses that this is the one and only way to connect a mobile site.

Somehow, I think your message will be lost...just as all the messages are lost now.

What are we going to do with over 260 TLD's and ccTLD's right now? What are we going to do with the potential thousands of TLD's to come?

Seriously, I am open to anything. Anything at all. If you want to talk coding, browser detection, we don't need this, we don't need that, it can already be done...

I'll ask "why is it not already being done?"

If the capability is here and now, then why is everyone doing it differently?

The same reason there is a .com, a .net, a .ca, a .cn - it is a matter of preferences.

And if domainers are going to continue to buy up generic and preferential domains purely for the sake of parking, then I will look closer and closer at .mobi domains purely for the sake of making a site. A site that will be used thanks to the millions of domains parked or not resolving.

"Anything goes" doesn't work in global branding and marketing. In fact, it is the exact opposite of good marketing.

The point is to simplify, to make standard, to not complicate. and that is what DOTCOM does.

The only people who want IDNs and .MOBIs and Alt TLDs to work are the domain speculators. You can throw in few small business end users too.

Corporations want simplicity, surfers want simplicity --and simplicity is DOTCOM.
 
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