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[richard]

Bill

No offence, really...

I hope you do very well with the domain, and
that the name allows you to make serious
in-roads in to the japanese market.

I don't agree that I am misinformed about IDN,
and I have been an active IDN investor for
some 3 years now. I do agree with your point,
however, that IDN will become a huge market
but this is not really the issue we are debating
here...

Best of luck in your future endeavors

Regards

Richard

 

[Duke]

I don't believe anyone has been smeared
here, but I do want to say that it has never
been my experience for a banks member of
staff to confirm ANY details to a 3rd party,
regarding a client account.

So, I think my point again would be whether
this sale can be substantiated by an original
document.

Sorry to inadvertently drag you into this Ron,
as I know it has implications for your business
and the way you report domain sales, but in
the absence of an original (dated) document
from the bank I see no reason to apologise or
change my opinion about this sale in any way.

Regards

Richard

Richard you are DEAD WRONG in your assumptions and given the proof that has been provided to you (and everyone else in the world in this open forum) I am very disappointed in your failure to be a man, admit your mistake and apologize for the insinuations you have made about the innocent parties in this thread.

Banks will not provide details to a third party that the party does not already have. The bank officer asked me to give her the information I already had. When I read the letter to her, she simply confirmed that she wrote it and that the transfer was made.

I don't think any resonable person will now accept your theory that Bill sent us a forged document. You have stated what you would do once proof from the bank was offered, but now you are reneging on your own promises. You can do as you please, but for the sake of your own credibility I would at least live up to the statements you have already made.

 

[Rubber Duck]

I don't believe anyone has been smeared
here, but I do want to say that it has never
been my experience for a banks member of
staff to confirm ANY details to a 3rd party,
regarding a client account.

So, I think my point again would be whether
this sale can be substantiated by an original
document.

Sorry to inadvertently drag you into this Ron,
as I know it has implications for your business
and the way you report domain sales, but in
the absence of an original (dated) document
from the bank I see no reason to apologise or
change my opinion about this sale in any way.

Regards

Richard

No you are not smearing anyone. You are calling us liars and you are still not even prepared to make you identity public. You've got a bloody nerve!!!

 

[richard]

Ok guys, I think we will leave it there; I
don't believe this thread is now going anywhere
and I do not think it is constructive to keep
trying to discredit me...

Obviously, in a forum of idn.com speculators
there won't be many others wishing to know
more about this sale, so...

Regards

Richard

 

[Rubber Duck]

Ok guys, I think we will leave it there; I
don't believe this thread is now going anywhere
and I do not think it is constructive to keep
trying to discredit me...

Obviously, in a forum of idn.com speculators
there won't be many others wishing to know
more about this sale, so...

Regards

Richard

Your the one that has come on here and made wild allegations in an anonymous manner, demanded proof, refused to accept incontravertable evidence from third parties. How could we possilby discredit you? You have no credibility left!

Rubber Duck

 

[bwhhisc]

Bill No offence, really...I hope you do very well with the domain, and that the name allows you to make serious in-roads in to the japanese market. I don't agree that I am misinformed about IDN, and I have been an active IDN investor for some 3 years now. I do agree with your point, however, that IDN will become a huge market but this is not really the issue we are debating here... Best of luck in your future endeavors Regards, Richard

Richard, the issue your are debating obviously is "honesty". PM me your address and I will see that you are FED-X'd:
1) A HARD COPY OF TRANSACTION DETAILS ON BANK LETTERHEAD,
2) DOCUMENT TO BE NOTARIZED AND SIGNED BY OFFICER OF THE BANK
3) TELEPHONE NUMBER TO VICE PRESIDENT OF NATIONAL BANK OF SOUTH CAR0LINA for you to call to verbally verify document recieved is authentic.

And PLEASE...start a new thread and tell us why IDNs are not going to happen or why they will be delayed into the future some time. Make it long and wordy as you wish, state facts and sources.

Best of all I will bail YOU out of your dilemma and BUY your (according to you- near worthless IDNs) For you to say that IDN Tokyo.com (.com) is worth $200 when experts have pegged it between $100k and $500k TODAY show your lack of knowledge of the market - PM me your list of holdings so I can personally reimburse all of your reg fees and take those IDNs off your hands!

AND TO END THIS STORY- Richard, once you have seen and verified all, first hand, I would appreciate if you would post a retraction here. If a verbal conversation with a Bank Officer from NBSC will satisfy you, pm me and I will set up you up with a phone call with the Bank VP.

Either way, I want this to be 100% verified, its not just my reputation, but Dave Wrixon's reputation and to some extent that of DNJournal who took us to task to provide proof positive that this transaction occurred. We stand ready to do that and await your pm for sending hard copy proof.

 

[richard]

Hi Bill

I didn't say that IDN is not going to
happen, it most definitely is; just to
repeat again, this thread is not about
whether IDN will work, it is about the
claimed sale of a domain name.

Look Bill, I don't know you and I will
be quite honest with you now, when
I asked earlier whether an 'original' of
the transfer would be forthcoming I had
not really considered the 'relationship'
that a bank may have with its client...

(you can get me set-up with a phone call
with the Bank President?! Who are you
Bill Gates?!... I know I wish I had THAT
sort of relationship with my bank; I am
from the UK, and other UK readers of
this thread will know exactly what I
mean!).

Anyway, what I want to say is 'no hard
feelings, ok Bill?'. I will let this thread go
now and you can certainly feel that you
have taken me to task and made me look
very foolish...

Richard

ps Thanks for the offer to buy my IDN
domains. They are not for sale though Bill;
again, I had hoped that the thread would
not deviate into a 'bringing richard down'
exercise, or else call into question his
credibility...

I want to end this thread now, and would
like to formally apologise to the vendor and
seller of this domain name.

It was very inconsiderate of me to have
raised a doubtful voice on the sale of this fine
domain, and I would like to take the opportunity
of wishing the buyer and seller 'all the best' on
the sale and my sincere best wishes for the
future.

Regards

Richard

Maybe i'm getting old, and it is a small
point, but when I replied to Bills last post
it read 'Bank President'. Now, it appears
to be saying 'Bank VP'.

Oh, and the bit starting 'I want to end'
was actually a new post from me but it
looks as though it has been merged with
the previous one.

Anyway, small beer; again, my sincere
apologies to the vendor and buyer and I
would like to publicly retract my original
comments and would be very grateful if
everyone could now please consider this
thread CLOSED.

 

[bwhhisc]

Hi Bill, I, this thread is not about whether IDN will work, it is about the claimed sale of a domain name. I had hoped that the thread would
not deviate into a 'bringing richard down' exercise, or else call into question his credibility...It was very inconsiderate of me to have raised a doubtful voice on the sale of this fine domain, and I would like to take the opportunity
of wishing the buyer and seller 'all the best' on the sale and my sincere best wishes for the future. Regards Richard

Richard, it was not inconsiderate at all to ask about details and proof of sale and I don't object at all for anyone asking or knowing.

It was the dishonesty that you implied was underlying the sale that ticked things off. All you had to do was ask 'nicely' if proof of sale had been supplied, and what that proof was and who verified the information. You proceeded to throw up all kinds of reasons why one might have motives to falsify this sale to benefit IDNs.

You could have saved those suggestions of 'fraud' until all other facts had been brought to public scrutiny and (1) documents and information clearly did not add up or (2) a reputable and credible 3rd party would not come forward to verify the sale. That all I have to comment, hope others learn from this experience.

 

[richard]

Thank you Bill, I really have learned my
lesson now.. In future, I will never again
question a domain sale!..

I will now drink a toast to idn.com, and
hope that the sale of this important
domain will herald new valuations for all
idn.com names, and that those who own
large idn.com portfolios become very very
wealthy.

Regards

Richard

 

[bwhhisc]

Thank you Bill, I really have learned my lesson now.. In future, I will never again question a domain sale!..Regards, Richard

No one is trying to teach anyone a 'lesson'. You starting firing before you got the facts, which were available to get simply for the asking. Feel free to question any and all domain sales. Honest domainers should be able to step up and have a disinterested 3rd party (like DNJournal) verify. Just do it in a methodical and professional manner, thats what I think should be learned from this.
PS- still willing to hear your prospectus on idns.

 

[touchring]

Keep cool, it's only human to be envious whenever a big sale is made. After a while, you'll get over it, think about how that guy did it, and start finding your own idns and start making money - that's what differentiates the smart guy. :-D

Ok, let's all not waste more time here, and use the time to search for more idns.

 

[WhoDatDog]

I know for a fact that if I sold a domain name for 10K in an arms length transaction that I wouldn't be concerned whatsoever if someone questioned it. I have never seen a group of people defend names like those who defend IDN's. All I see is translations that no one can agree on anyways.

I hope you make 20 billion with your IDNs. You should be happy that there are people like me who don't care at all about owning IDN's......that means that you can buy-em all up. I know that many of you have the pressure building and are trying to get out from some of your mistakes, while others likely have valuable names. Good luck to all of you who know what they are doing. The others will sink...along with their names.

 

[touchring]

There are a few people that own idn names a thousand times better and more than anyone of us here, include Rubber Duck. It's pointless comparing all the time, it's better to think about the next strategy.

 

[Rubber Duck]

I know for a fact that if I sold a domain name for 10K in an arms length transaction that I wouldn't be concerned whatsoever if someone questioned it. I have never seen a group of people defend names like those who defend IDN's. All I see is translations that no one can agree on anyways.

I hope you make 20 billion with your IDNs. You should be happy that there are people like me who don't care at all about owning IDN's......that means that you can buy-em all up. I know that many of you have the pressure building and are trying to get out from some of your mistakes, while others likely have valuable names. Good luck to all of you who know what they are doing. The others will sink...along with their names.

Yes, I just got out of two more of my "mistakes" for $5,000!

Rubber Duck

 

[touchring]

Yes, I just got out of two more of my "mistakes" for $5,000!

Rubber Duck

The supply of those names are dwindling faster than we all would believe, i just did an ownership audit.

Yes, I just got out of two more of my "mistakes" for $5,000!

Rubber Duck

The supply of those names is dwindling faster than we all would believe, i just did an ownership audit.

 

[richard]

Please lets not have any more talk about
IDN and people having made 'mistakes'.
It is clear to me that very few who have
bought idn.com have made any mistakes.

Idn.com owners will, mostly, become very
very rich indeed...

Richard

 

[stuff]

I still don´t get how the idn-s work
for example You have arabicword.com (arabicword 0 is written in arabic keyboard)- do the user has to change keyboard language before he can type the .com to the end? or how dose it work?

 

[richard]

In some countries you have to toggle
between the english/foreign language
keyboards to type a domain, and there
is presently talk that China will use DNAME
to resolve name queries.

All this news is great for idn.com, and I
know there will be no possibility of a country
like China changing its mind in the future and
deciding against .com...

Regards

Richard

 

[stuff]

In some countries you have to toggle
between the english/foreign language
keyboards to type a domain, and there
is presently talk that China will use DNAME
to resolve name queries.

All this news is great for idn.com, and I
know there will be no possibility of a country
like China changing its mind in the future and
deciding against .com...

Regards

Richard

then there is not much talk about
I would see some value in german idn-s because the keyborad is like english, only it has also üöä letters. Sales also confirm that.

But idn-s (.com, .net, .org, .info and so on..) in chinese, arabic, russian, they are totally worthless, the will never have any type-in traffic. End-user will never type in the domain`s he dosen`t even know where to change the keyborad language.

 

[richard]

No, idn.com is very valuable indeed, you
only have to look at the domain holdings
of the idn speculators here and you will
find that almost all of them have 'gone
large' on idn.com.

Check with Bill (a few posts back), he knows
the value of idn.com (or in his case, .net)
and he will be able to tell you why domains
like that have such high value.

All the best,

Richard