Dot CN on Steroids?

[Rubber DuckRubber Duck is verified member.]

According to latest statistics from CNNIC the number of second level dot CN domains registrations grew from 293592 in June to 378477 in July. That is an increase of 29% in a single month!

http://www.cnnic.cn/html/Dir/2003/12/13/2020.htm

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Dave Wrixon

 

[Fredo]

I noticed a big increase in the 3 letters .cn domain names. Looks like many people invest in this extension.

 

[mole]

China's national pride is growing by the buckets every year, I predict that .CN value wil hit its peak in 2008, in line with the Beijing Olympics.

 

[Rubber DuckRubber Duck is verified member.]

China's national pride is growing by the buckets every year, I predict that .CN value wil hit its peak in 2008, in line with the Beijing Olympics.

Yes, America has some massive global brands like MacDonalds, but who has really had the greatest impact on global culinary habits? China has an awful lot to offer and the Olympics will be a great showcase!

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Dave Wrixon

 

[seeker]

my *long* term prediction: investing in .cn for the long term is as good as if you were investing in .cccp (which still exists although not active) in the mid 80s (assuming it was a market like today).
What does the old Soviet Union and China have in common?
They are too diverse and are not a single nation. They will probably become 10 seperate countries at some point, each with its own tld.
thats just my prediction. If it is not a MAJOR keyword, I would not invest in .cc for speculation.


P.S.
the actual tld for CCCP was .su for Soviet Union

http://www.zzine.org/read.php?op=view&item=448

 

[Rubber DuckRubber Duck is verified member.]

my *long* term prediction: investing in .cn for the long term is as good as if you were investing in .cccp (which still exists although not active) in the mid 80s (assuming it was a market like today).
What does the old Soviet Union and China have in common?
They are too diverse and are not a single nation. They will probably become 10 seperate countries at some point, each with its own tld.
thats just my prediction. If it is not a MAJOR keyword, I would not invest in .cc for speculation.


P.S.
the actual tld for CCCP was .su for Soviet Union

http://www.zzine.org/read.php?op=view&item=448

Have you been on the pop?

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Dave Wrixon

 

[seeker]

Have you been on the pop?

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Dave Wrixon

I dont know what the pop is, care to clarify?

 

[Rubber DuckRubber Duck is verified member.]

I dont know what the pop is, care to clarify?

I was alluding that you might have been imbibing.

A history scholar like yourself should know that China has been around more or less within its current boundaries for over 5,000 years, which is a hell of a lot longer than the US or the Internet! Whilst, I agree that there are some dissenting minorities such as in Tibet, I cannot honestly seriously believe that you are suggesting China will cease to exist or be called something else. The way things are going there probably won't even be a revolution.

Russia is totally a different picture. When the USSR collapsed, there were still people alive who where born in Imperial Russia, which became a Republic under the wider Federation of the USSR.

If you have any concerns about the long-term viability of such ccTLDs I think the .eu is much more suspect!

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Dave Wrixon

 

[seeker]

ok, so, you are saying that all of what is today China was 1 China for thousands of years???

There were different dynasties, there *are* hundreds of different Chinese languages and sub lunguages (not dialects, those are in the 1000s), and many provinces do not agree with the central system as it is today. In fact, 'modern CHinese' is very much a 20th century invention and blend.

I am not going to further debate this, and I am sure we all have different opinions, and depending on our interest in the subject, probably have different levels of knowledge, which is fine.

for a starter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_language

http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phalsall/texts/chinlng2.html

 

[Rubber DuckRubber Duck is verified member.]

ok, so, you are saying that all of what is today China was 1 China for thousands of years???

There were different dynasties, there *are* hundreds of different Chinese languages and sub lunguages (not dialects, those are in the 1000s), and many provinces do not agree with the central system as it is today. In fact, 'modern CHinese' is very much a 20th century invention and blend.

I am not going to further debate this, and I am sure we all have different opinions, and depending on our interest in the subject, probably have different levels of knowledge, which is fine.

for a starter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_language

http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phalsall/texts/chinlng2.html

Not difficult to see why you should not wish to pursue it. Your first reference appears to contradict your own arguments, as in the domain world we are only concerned with the written language.

QUOTING FROM FIRST REFERENCE

However, Chinese always share a common Written form and characters, at least Since Qin Shi Huang have united all Chinese nations in BC 200s. Before 19-20th Century, the common written form was Literary Chinese (Classical Chinese) that no one spoke as mother tongue. Until 20th Century, the baihuawen movement pushed the birth of the new written form Vernacular Chinese, based on Mandarin........

The terms and concepts used by Chinese to separate spoken language from written language are different from those used in the West, because of differences in the political and social development of China in comparison with Europe. Whereas Europe fragmented into smaller nation-states after the fall of the Roman Empire, the identities of which were often defined by language, China was able to preserve cultural and political unity through the same period, and maintained a common written language throughout its entire history............

QUOTE

The second reference is nearly twenty years out of date and suggests that PinYin will replace traditional characters. You only have to look at the internet to see that this is nonsense. Why would the Chinese be pushing so hard for IDN if they weren't intending to use their own characters. PinYin has about as much future as Esperanto! I therefore guess we can take the rest of that article with a pinch of salt.

In written terms there are only two sets of Unicode Characters Traditional and Simplified and most characters don't even have a simplified form. For domain registration, any registeration of one now gives you rights over the counterpart.

This whole argument is also ludicrous, as until recently English in Britain had many mutually incomprehensible dialects. In West Africa, there are forms of English I cannot make head or tail of. It is the spread of information media that has done most to standardize English rather than political systems.

Believe me there will always be a very large and influential country in this area and it will still be called China. Any suggestion to the contrary is hypothetical nonsense!

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Dave Wrixon

 

[seeker]

yes, you chose a part that does indeed contradict.
you are a great intelligent man.
I am glad you are right.
I wish we had more people like you with nice strong, and selective (in quoting materials) personalities.
LOL

 

[Netego]

I am glad you are right.
LOL

I too, think Dave is right. He's right on the Chinese history and on IDNs.

 

[seeker]

its not about right or wrong.
If you look back in the first post, I said I was making a long term prediction. Its my opinion. My right. Could I be wrong? Of course i can.
did i back my opinion up? I spent 10 seconds on google and added 2 starter links.
my whole point was meant to be more humorous than serious, with a possible scenario. And I didnt talk about IDNs.
in 1989, If you told people the Soviet Union would no longer exist, they would laugh. In 1980 If you said it, they would think you were nuts, yet it happened.
My point:
Its just my opinion, and a possible scenario that I do believe is possible, but probably a very long term one, IF it happens.
One should be able to state an opinion about a possible scenario, and people should accept it as just that, an opinion. Just like I accept the other possibility, and the fact that I might be wrong.
the whole 1 China policy has flaws, but that is politics, and it is the only reason I dont want to get into it, nor back it up on a domain name forum.
Dave game back a little 'too' serious, so I replied with more humor to diffuse the situation.

 

[Rubber DuckRubber Duck is verified member.]

its not about right or wrong.
If you look back in the first post, I said I was making a long term prediction. Its my opinion. My right. Could I be wrong? Of course i can.

There is some logic to argument that political blocks or nations need to be founded on some common cultural identity. If large enough minorities become disenfranchised or disillusioned then instability results. It happened in the US and as you state in the Soviet Union. It certainly didn't take long for the Greek Empire to disintegrate for similar reasons. However, where the common interest is ultimately greater than the differences, longer-term cohesion will prevail, as indeed it has done in the US.

India is another case in point. The British Invention of an Indian Empire was largely artificial and fragmentation has already occurred. In India, there are far greater linguistic difference than in China and further fragmentation, is conceivably possible. The EU is another case where the arguments for and against are finely balanced.

China by contrast has suffered some fairly severe upheavils during its long history, but despite huge problems and the political system has been smashed more than once, history shows that by and large it is a cohesive unit with an overriding common cultural heritage. Whilst the inevitable democratisation of China may result in some successions, there is not going to be any fundamental redrawing of the maps.

I am sorry that you feel I am humourless, but you cannot expect to put down the bait for a contentious debate and expect to walk away unchallenged.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[seeker]

There is some logic to argument that political blocks or nations need to be founded on some common cultural identity. If large enough minorities become disenfranchised or disillusioned then instability results. It happened in the US and as you state in the Soviet Union. It certainly didn't take long for the Greek Empire to disintegrate for similar reasons.

ok, all joking aside, this thread is now getting personal for me, as you are entering my homespace 'domain'.
I jokes, but this is getting personal, because you are taking it as such, and not following my last post about the humor. You crossed the line with Greece.
Greece was and is as homogenous as a nation can get. Not only a country, but a nation (which by definition, many, many modern bif industrial countries are not). They are countries made up of many minorities.
The population of Greece is 98% homogenous in Religion, language and culture. Very few countries can reach that, very very few.
as it was and still is for thousands of years.
also, for your info, the longest non stop and non interupted empire was the Byzantine empire, which was also Greek.
So, I will take back my humor now, and ask you to remove your foot from your mouth as it is apparent to me that you dont know much about Greek history, civilization or culture.

 

[teamwork]

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[Rubber DuckRubber Duck is verified member.]

ok, all joking aside, this thread is now getting personal for me, as you are entering my homespace 'domain'.
I jokes, but this is getting personal, because you are taking it as such, and not following my last post about the humor. You crossed the line with Greece.
Greece was and is as homogenous as a nation can get. Not only a country, but a nation (which by definition, many, many modern bif industrial countries are not). They are countries made up of many minorities.
The population of Greece is 98% homogenous in Religion, language and culture. Very few countries can reach that, very very few.
as it was and still is for thousands of years.
also, for your info, the longest non stop and non interupted empire was the Byzantine empire, which was also Greek.
So, I will take back my humor now, and ask you to remove your foot from your mouth as it is apparent to me that you dont know much about Greek history, civilization or culture.

Look, there was no intention to insult the Greeks, but Greek Empire I was referring to infact that of Alexander, which survived for only a limited time after his death, largely because it encompassed most of the Middle East and parts of Northern India.

I must admit, although I was familar with much of the history of
Byzantine Empire, I was suffering under a substantial misapprehension in this area. Although it was centred on the city of Constantinople, which is now Istanbull in modern day Turkey, it was orginally founded by Greeks. It was conquered by the Romans in AD196 and subsequently reconstructed, where after it became the centre of the Eastern Roman Empire, later referred to as Byzantium.

What I didn't realise was that the language of adminstration in Byzantium from about 7th Century onward was Greek rather than Latin.

The empire had, however, shrunk to a small rump by this time and despite temporary comeback was really in terminal decline and was fragmented for much of the last two to three hundred years of its existence.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Byzantine-Empire#Hellenizing_era

Well that is the value of debate. We all stand to learn something useful!

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

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Thank-you Yannis, used Babel-Fish to get the a rough translation of that Byzantine Greeting.

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Dave Wrixon

 

[Yum]

i have 3 char dot cn.
Nice.CN booming.

 

[Rubber DuckRubber Duck is verified member.]

i have 3 char dot cn.
Nice.CN booming.

Yes I had about 60 three letter acronyms at one time but let a lot of them drop.
Have also sold a couple for decent money. The reason that Acronyms are potential very valuable, is that most people in the PRC aren't really that familiar with English. As they have always represented words with a single character, it comes very naturally to them to do the same when it comes to English Words.

Having said all that of course the importance of Romanic domains is likely to decline with the advent of IDN. If you don't believe in IDN, then dot cn Acronyms is certainly the way to go. The Chinese will have to sasiate there growing thirst for domain names from somewhere and a trickle is quickly growing into a raging torrent! Anyone who is not interested in Chinese Domains is either too rich to care or too thick to understand.

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Dave Wrixon

 

[mpadc]

how much cud a LLL.cn (letter letter letter) domain go for now and say in a couple of years time pricewise?

thanks