dotMobi Responds to Rumors....

[whitebark]

How is it better when it is a stripped down version?

And you still haven't answered the question.

 

[seanboy]

This thread is hilarious..

Domainers accusing domainers of being domainers. Whatever..

 

[Theo]

you are missing the point.

water comes out of my faucet.. its almost free.

yet they are selling bottled water at the stores, for people to take home and drink.


next!

The water at my faucet at home is laden with minerals and chemicals that would turn my kidneys into something the airport scanners would bleep to. So I buy bottled water or use my home filtering device.

The point is, .mobi was incepted as a mobile-only universe because cellphones of that era were not able to display multimedia content properly, or the bandwidth utilized was more expensive. But currently, new generation phones are themselves multimedia devices and bandwidth prices dropped through competition among the carriers. .mobi was pushed hard enough to establish a small base among corporations that were eager to promote their services but in reality the .mobi footprint is not large enough to create the impact nor the following that the original 3 TLD's enjoy.

 

[whitebark]

This is not a bad thing. I do not understand the resistance.

It's not resistance at all - it's stating the obvious. My new LG phone can view almost any website on any tld without any hesitation or problem. So why do believe that mobi is leading the charge for people viewing websites on their mobile devices? If anything you have it backwards - it's the technology that is driving the upsurge - not the tld.

People with good keyword mobi's can make good money and have the starting point for good websites. There is no problem with that - and I'm all for it as a mobi owner. But some have taken the whole mobile internet thing a tad too far.

 

[seanboy]

The water at my faucet at home is laden with minerals and chemicals that would turn my kidneys into something the airport scanners would bleep to.

lol...We must have the same water company

 

[mjnels]

The water at my faucet at home is laden with minerals and chemicals that would turn my kidneys into something the airport scanners would bleep to. So I buy bottled water or use my home filtering device.

exactly, tap water is consumable but bottled water is a better experience.

How is it better when it is a stripped down version?

And you still haven't answered the question.

um, what was the question?

yes, i acknowledge that im able to visit full webpages on my iphone.

it is not ideal to zoom and scroll for everything, so mobile versions of websites are ideal for this. whether it be .mobi, m.domain.ext, or a redirect..doesnt matter.. a "mobile version" is more ideal.

the end.

 

[Theo]

a "mobile version" is more ideal.

the end.

But a mobile version is already there for web sites that care about the mobile crowd. The device and its browsing capabilities can be identified after the initial http request at server level and separate content can be served. This way, traffic is centered to a single destination.

 

[MejCdj]

The point is, .mobi was incepted as a mobile-only universe because cellphones of that era were not able to display multimedia content properly, or the bandwidth utilized was more expensive. But currently, new generation phones are themselves multimedia devices and bandwidth prices dropped through competition among the carriers. .mobi was pushed hard enough to establish a small base among corporations that were eager to promote their services but in reality the .mobi footprint is not large enough to create the impact nor the following that the original 3 TLD's enjoy.

The phones are still not ready yet, though. They are almost there, but not yet. The wireless companies will not all offer unlimited bandwidth until the demand is large enough. Right now, its still quite pricey to look at a few .com sites on the mobile. Not to mention, flash and java can really mess up the experience. Too many sites are still heavily laoded with images. How will these mobile surfers know what sites are mobile-friendly and not bandwidth-hogs?

The public can not freely surf on their phones... yet. The phones and the sites and the call packages.. they are not meshed for daily phone surfing. I am sure it will all come together some day, but it is not NOW. So, while these companies get their acts together and come up with plans and phones that will allow Joe Surfer to visit all the .com .net and .whatever sites he wishes, we have .mobi with its guidelines that ensure a fast load and minimal bandwidth. This pushes interest of the mobile web,

which gets more people using it,
which generates more need and demand for more bandwidth ,
which casuses the phone companies to change their packages,
then the phone companies will see the $$ they are missing by not offering it all to ther customers,
then we get the browsers that work together and more offers and competition.. .. and so on.

All of this because .mobi created AWARENESS that the mobie web is indeed worth investing in and exploring. WAP has been around for years and years, but never has the mobile web been so interesting and so taked about. Its only been since mTLD launched .mobi.

This is for everyone.

 

[Theo]

So in other words, you acknowledge that .mobi is nothing more than a certification of the ability to browse with cellphones of an older generation. Because as I said above, the content can be displayed according to the device that access it.

 

[MejCdj]

It's not resistance at all - it's stating the obvious. My new LG phone can view almost any website on any tld without any hesitation or problem. So why do believe that mobi is leading the charge for people viewing websites on their mobile devices? If anything you have it backwards - it's the technology that is driving the upsurge - not the tld.

People with good keyword mobi's can make good money and have the starting point for good websites. There is no problem with that - and I'm all for it as a mobi owner. But some have taken the whole mobile internet thing a tad too far.

Its not just about the keywords and selling for good money tho. Its about the entire world going mobile. Yes, there are some great new phones out.. and they have great big price tags, too. If we consider those who can't afford a $200 to $700 phone, you are leaving out a huge chunk of the world. The mobile web should be made available to every one with a phone that has access to the web. Not just the people who can afford a hot new phone.

I have an old phone. I have not updated in 5 years.. pure laziness. But the point is, some people would give their eye teeth for my old phone, and I can not see a site in any way shape or form, unless its a low bandwidth 'stripped down' mobile site.
This will be a huge issue when it comes down to mobile ecommerce.

 

[mjnels]

But a mobile version is already there for web sites that care about the mobile crowd. The device and its browsing capabilities can be identified and separate content can be served. This way, traffic is centered to a single destination.

some are, but most people would argue its still early in the "mobile device era" and that number is extremely small.

yes, all that can work.. its true: .mobi is not needed.


but many people believe the internet-on-mobile-devices will be a hugely popular thing... like television... so a domain extention that signifies it is for "mobile use" seems to fit.... like the .TV extention at a very base level.



basically, i believe .mobi will work as a novelty extention alone.... anything else mTLD does to help the mobile web in the process is extra..

 

[whitebark]

The savvy webmaster doesn't even need to redirect visitors with mobile devices on existing tlds! You just capture their browser at the point of entry and serve them a purpose built css file containing smaller image file sizes, and reduced layout sizes etc. The visitor will never know the difference. Thus no need for redirects to m.mydomain.com, mydomain.com/mobile etc etc.

 

[MejCdj]

So in other words, you acknowledge that .mobi is nothing more than a certification of the ability to browse with cellphones of an older generation. Because as I said above, the content can be displayed according to the device that access it.

Not exactly.
When we consider that (i am guesstimating here) say.. 85% of the websites on PC right now are not going to work properly on any mobile phone.. beit from poor navigation, large images, frames, flash, etc.. it does not give the population much hope of a satisfying experience surfing on their phones.. no matter how high the price tag is. So why bother with it? Sure, maybe they will find a handful that work and look good, but the info is stunted. Its not like PC surfing.

Dot mobi sites WILL work on your phone, its a garantee, so there is the push to go mobile. People KNOW that they will get a site they can view on their phones and it will load in seconds. Then mobile surfing is in the minds of everyone. They know they CAN get sites that work.

As the phones get more oganized, the frames and flash begin to work, the java is ok and there is a way to make all sites work on phones, everyone will already have a ready-to-surf audience. Then its possible that mTLD will reduce the restrictions or possibly do away with them.

IMO, .mobi is NOT the 'end all be all' of the mobile web, its the beginning, the first wave, the way to make it an every day thing for the world. No one is left out, no one is forced to make changes to their PC sites if they don't want to, and the consumer can find what they are looking for in a flash.

 

[whitebark]

basically, i believe .mobi will work as a novelty extention alone.... anything else mTLD does to help the mobile web in the process is extra..

there is something we can both agree upon. The extension is not going anywhere and those with good mobi domains will make a profit or have a good starting point for web development.

And truth be told I actually like all the people hyping mobi... there will be a point in time when I sell off the dozen or so I'm sitting on! :lol:

 

[mjnels]

..but, mTLD is only helping to build out the currently small, undeveloped mobile web world.


reminds me, i was fixing my roof the other day... some guy came by and asked to help, i said "hey man, get lost..you arnt needed!"

he gave me a funny look.

 

[MejCdj]

The savvy webmaster doesn't even need to redirect visitors with mobile devices on existing tlds! You just capture their browser at the point of entry and serve them a purpose built css file containing smaller image file sizes, and reduced layout sizes etc. The visitor will never know the difference. Thus no need for redirects to m.mydomain.com, mydomain.com/mobile etc etc.

Thats the point ..right there.
The savvy webmaster can do this and all will be fine.. to an extent. But try to get everyone with a website to join in and do this. It will not hapen. That is what has crippled the mobile web. In order for that to work, you need everyone to do it.

So, for now, we have .mobi to bring it together so that people will begin to use the mobile web on a daily basis. Then maybe in time, there won't be a need for the redirect for PC sites. If we can get enough people surfing the mobile web, the phone companies wil have to step up and make big improvements in all their phones. It would be in their best interest to all share the same mobile browser so that their business increases. They will have to work together and make big changes. But, again, that will not happen until there is a demand, and there will not be a great enough demand until there are enough people surfing the mobile web. In walks .mobi.

 

[Gerry]

Why is it that the most vocal in support of mobi refuse to acknowledge that new cellphones and mobile devices have little problem displaying current websites regardless of their tld?

Saying that is not an attack on those invested in mobi. So instead of attacking the messengers, deal with the message for once.

For me, I thought I made that point very clear. I have one of the latest phones, the Helio Ocean. Incredible phone.

http://www.helio.com/#devices_ocean

It does detect and make every website appear mobile. But they are not fully functional as websites. They are stripped down versions. To get to the fully functional website you have to scroll down to the bottom where it states:

Page adapted for mobile devices. View in HTML.

THAT is where the added load time is. I have email accounts with Alltel.net (now windstream). On the Helio Ocean, when I go to the Alltel.net website in this stripped down version, email is not even an option. Instead, I have to scroll down 26 times to go to the HTML icon and then click on that. Now, I just counted about 26 seconds of loading, but only 1 and sometimes two bars showing.

But were not done. We are now on the HTML site. I now have to scroll over three times to find email. Another full HTML site comes up. More load time. Thus the reason for thinkg of going with one of the preloaded email/mobile sites.

Here is another test that I did a while back.

Using the following URL's, here are not only the images, but the time results.

Bofa.mobi = Bank of America
BankOfAmerica.com

The Helio, like the iPhone will provide Landscape mode as well.

There is no need to take my word and I encourage you to conduct your own tests.

BofA.mobi fully loaded within 12-16 seconds, each time. That was approximately three different trials (the phone is still new to me so there is the "fat finger" factor. Please notice the time stamps and sorry there was not stop watch or actual person timing other than me. But from the time I pressed the enter button, I counted...thousand one, thousand two, thousand three...etc.

Not only did it fully load, the entire site (mobile) is accessible and navigatable from one screen. All that a person has to do is srcoll down to the submenu they seek. This works ideally in landscape mode and even in standard portrait mode (vertical). I actually liked it in vertical as it auto detected the screen size and rather than fill up the screen on a horizontal (landscape) plane it did so on the portrait (vertical) plane making each menu selection very prominent requiring even LESS scrolling to find the selections.

Next, of course, is the BankOfAmerica.com website. Again, please notice the times. This is also on the fast 3g network.

Notice at the 10:37 mark the page is still loading.

At nearly 1.5-2 minutes (seriously, lost count) the Bank of America logo finally appeared and the page seemed fully loaded.

But in standard (portrait/vertical) mode which most smartphones of this size would appear to be (as in not having landscape mode) it took three additional scroll efforts to go to the far right side of the page. It took perhaps 9-10 (seriously, again lost count) to scroll to the bottom of the page.

So for me, I am sold on two things.

The Helio Ocean is simply AWESOME and easy to use, fast, and tremendous clarity in phone call quality far surpassing my Verizon signal strenght and clarity. When those plan contracts expire, they will be dead. Helio uses Sprint's towers and I have been impressed no matter where I use this phone.

But most of all, I am sold on the notion of .mobi not so much being an alternative to the dot com for mobile browsing, but with the compliance standards there is NO alternative to .mobi in regards to usability, loading times, scrolling, ease of use, and a format to fit all screens.

So for all those that doubt the validity and the necessity of the .mobi for the mobile usage and browsing...to those that are steadfast in their stand for .com and only .com, all I can say is this:

Buy a plan with unlimited minutes. You'll need them or you'll be paying add on fees for the time spent in getting pages to load and for scrolling.

Saying that is not an attack on those invested in mobi. So instead of attacking the messengers, deal with the message for once.

Attack the message? Hell, you all are doing a better job at that than I ever could.

Not once has anyone come up with a plan that can be accepted as the universal standard for accessing the mobile web.

So step up right now and set the standard.

What is it going to be?

wap.domain.com
domain.com/mobile
domain.com/mobi
m.domain.com
mobile.domain.com

My personal favorite:

tinyurl.domain.com

Now, keep in mind, you are about to create a universal code of accessing mobile sites.

Not a difficult task at all is it. Just be sure you enforce these set of standards on .net, .org, .info, .biz and about 260 other domain extensions.

Remember, you can only have one and one only that tells the world and it's occupants that this domain name sequence that you have chosen fully represents the mobile internet.

Please pick one because I have to go to the bathroom.

EDIT:

I'm back from the bathroom. What have you come up with?

If I want to access a mobile site what do I use?

You mean to tell me that .mobi can not be used a universal TLD that everyone would recognize as representative of sites developed for .mobi content?

So the arguments are there are no arguments. Recycled bullshit whining...

I don't like it, I don't want it, who needs it, why do we have to have it, I need some more milk and cookies.

So, if you want to and insist on attacking a viable medium and format, then please continue to do so. Some people act like others are not capable of making an informed decision on their own. I guess why that is why there are the revered hallowed dot com kings spouting off on their blogs and all the sheeple are lining up for their communion.

And you would perhaps see me equally defending a dot com if need be.

But here is one I will not defend. I would be a hell of a lot more concerned about this trend than anything else going on. If you think there is chaos now, what until this picks up more steam...Global City Domains (gcTLD's).

So instead of attacking something and bashing something that works and works wonderfully and can get the job done right along with .com, how about putting all your energies into dealing with bullshit like this:

http://www.circleid.com/posts/87239_...level_domains/
New Paper Discusses Global City TLD’s in the Public Interest
Aug 23, 2007 8:28 AM PST | Comments: 10

So tell me that Toronto or Vancouver need their own TLD's

.TOR, .VAN

Everyone needs to read this article, follow the link by the person who authored this article, and respond to the source.

Actually, that should be what everyone needs to do. Respond to the source. You don't like .mobi? Respond to the source.

www.mtld.mobi

I have always attacked the message. If it is a pile of bullshit you are about to step in, I'll let you know it is a pile of bullshit rather than a bed of roses.

If you want sugar coated responses, stick to your own forum that you control. If you ask a question or ignore a response or respond with some shallow response and appear to be the aggressor, expect it back.

It is called the "fight or flight" response. I guess that is my Type A personality coming on. This ain't no pussy and I am not fleeing. If you have valid points then that is fine. pussy.mobi is at auction right now on sedo. I won't be bidding.

Not once has anyone said it does not work. Perhaps 95% of the MobiPhobes on this site has yet to see for themselves the true differences of the format and response time.

Each time I read a mobi thread I don't even have to read it. I can almost repeat the anti-mobi sentiment word for word.

So, when someone comes up with a worthwhile point and argument I would be more than happy to get into a serious discussion. I view these NaySayer's points as non-points and recycled bullshit from more than 2 years ago.

It puts me into a friggin.coma

 

[Theo]

http://www.circleid.com/posts/782913_ceo_mobi_domain_rumors/

Pure PR.

.mobi is a bastard child. Deal with it.

 

[mjnels]

http://www.circleid.com/posts/782913_ceo_mobi_domain_rumors/

Pure PR.

.mobi is a bastard child. Deal with it.

seemed sincere to me... but im one of the "dupped" so i dunno

 

[Gerry]

I think this forum and every member is all about the PR.

I think that is what makes us successful.

Use the tools you are given.

If I can reach a whole new audience with a new set of tools, then it is game on.