For Sale Drop Catching: Can you still make money?

[affordablehosting]

Hi all,

I've been out of the domain names business for two years, but as a CS major who specializes in Algorithms and Theory, I feel that I have some algorithms that would give me a serious competitive advantage, all other things being equal, in the drop-catching process.

It looks like some registrars these days are heading straight to auction (ironically, I think I might have seen this coming three years ago). However, are valuable domain names still just *expiring*- even when there are bids on them at Pool.com?

 

[-netPH-]

Looking for answers on this. I've missed a lot. Manual drop catching was my daily activity 2 years ago and seems that everthing that drops are tasted nowadays. Anyone still doing this?

 

[cambler]

No. There is no manual drop-catching happening at all these days other than the very low-level pickups for tasting. For valuable names, the odds of picking one up, even with a single direct credential are vanishingly small.

To the original poster who has what he believes to be an algorithm breakthrough, please feel free to get in touch. I've been doing the algorithm side of drop catching for a little over three years now, and believe that I'm running the optimal algorithm as it stands.

Surprise me.

 

[stuff]

To the original poster who has what he believes to be an algorithm breakthrough, please feel free to get in touch. I've been doing the algorithm side of drop catching for a little over three years now, and believe that I'm running the optimal algorithm as it stands.

Surprise me.

Share the knowledge, can you find out the exact time when the domain is dropping? I know that the day and about 30-60 min time frame is possible, but are you able to get the time in seconds? milliseconds? I have heard it somewhere? Or you still start your scripts in 30 min window and send the reg requests in blind?

 

[cambler]

Less than milliseconds, yes. That is, the functional quanta is about 18ms, and I can get under that, though doing so provides no additional benefit.

 

[stuff]

Less than milliseconds, yes. That is, the functional quanta is about 18ms, and I can get under that, though doing so provides no additional benefit.

thats what I thought, so its not shooting blind anymore, maybe it never was.

so if I would be able to get that script and get registrar then if I would concentrate on one medicore domain, It would be possible to beat you - in theory

Under 18ms - dose the connection but his limitations?

 

[RustyK]

Hey cambler, whats the price on your drop system?.

 

[-netPH-]

Just as what I'm thinking when planning to go back in the drop catching. I stopped like a year ago when I have seen enough on my portfolio and because I feel bored doing it everyday.

Your drop catching system is what I've been thinking since I started hunting for expired domains. I hope it will work well with todays level of competition. I'm sure you know your stuff. Good luck with your projects.

 

[leo]

Cool down to 18 ms ? ..best of luck guys

 

[seeker]

take it from experience. Manual live drop catching is dead.
It is impossible to get even not so decent names.
Still, it is good to know which domains are dropping when, and place a backorder.

 

[cambler]

I think a few people are under the impression that I have a commercial system. My software is what runs eNom's Club Drop system.

To answer stuff's question - if you had at least one registrar connection such that you were drop-catching like everyone else (as opposed to trying to time it using a registrar's public API), yes, in theory, you could get a domain. Indeed, if you went after those domains that only add/delete players were after, you might get a decent handful.

You'd even have a statistical chance at that hundred-thousand-dollar domain, too. If you're spot-on with your timing, you have one cred out of 600, and you'd have a 1-in-600 chance (presuming, hypothetically, that everyone else is also spot-on with their timing).

 

[elitedomains]

Share the knowledge...

LOL- you're asking the guy from ENOM to share the knowledge hahaha

Thanks friend, you just gave me a good chuckle. These guys and thier cohorts (co-conspirators is probably more apt) Snapnames and Pool destroyed any chance of a normal person having any hope whatsoever of getting anything decent.

I remember back when Snapnames began, you could actually get a decent name for 60 bucks if you worked hard and went through the expiring list right when they published it because it was first come, first serve and once you put your reservation on a domain that was it- if Snapnames caught it, it was yours, no bidding.

I used to set my alarm clock for 5 AM or whatever it was and hit refresh every second until the daily expiring list appeared live as they published it at the same time each morning. Once these greedy bastards realized they could snatch all the good domains for themselves and castoff the rest via an auction system to basically 3 people- benfranklin, saggydimes and vaxis and maybe 1 or 2 others, that was the end.

 

[stuff]

LOL- you're asking the guy from ENOM to share the knowledge hahaha

Thanks friend, you just gave me a good chuckle. These guys and thier cohorts (co-conspirators is probably more apt) Snapnames and Pool destroyed any chance of a normal person having any hope whatsoever of getting anything decent.

I remember back when Snapnames began, you could actually get a decent name for 60 bucks if you worked hard and went through the expiring list right when they published it because it was first come, first serve and once you put your reservation on a domain that was it- if Snapnames caught it, it was yours, no bidding.

I used to set my alarm clock for 5 AM or whatever it was and hit refresh every second until the daily expiring list appeared live as they published it at the same time each morning. Once these greedy bastards realized they could snatch all the good domains for themselves and castoff the rest via an auction system to basically 3 people- benfranklin, saggydimes and vaxis and maybe 1 or 2 others, that was the end.

well and look what you have become now, just an regular i.... trying to sell russian idn .net-s. amazing.

 

[elitedomains]

whats an i...? and not sure what you mean by selling Russian .net's? btw- coming from someone selling worthless mobi's thats ironic LOL - dont get me wrong- they are worth something as long as you can dump them off on someone I guess, more power to you but they will be worth squat soon. The whole market is geared towards a sub-level of the internet, and even as the iphone commercials qoutoe-" not the "kinda" internet, but the *real* internet, internet" - hope you can unload them before people figure out what a scam they are. But like i said, hey if it works for you, more power to you. BTW- one last note - I am not "trying" to sell anything- I bought those names like 2 years ago and that post yesterday and similar post in another forum was the first time I have ever even posted anything, anywhere about them, I am not even putting them on Seo et al The Russian economy is coming back strong- Moscow was recently named the most expensive city in the world for the second year in a row and they have tons of natural resources- unlike the USA whose whole economy is owned lock, stoock and barrel by China who hold all our bonds - combined with a massive trade deficit so not sure what your point is exactly to be honest.

 

[clemzonguy]

This is my award winning "algorithm"

$domain="sex.com";

while (1)
{
if(isdomain_available($domain))
then
{
register_domain($domain);
exit;
}
//timer functionality implemented here
}

Certain registrars had redundant code in their API which if removed would allow you to query faster. A few tools optimized this over time. Knowing the drop times and order of drops proved to be an advantage at one point. However, now it's not much use to the layman.

We've come a long way from...
- Manual Registrations
- API Programming
- Snapnames Backordering
- Pool's Domination
- Private Connections
- New Registrar Applications
- Possible WLS
- More Registrar Applications
- Reselling Expired Domains
- Domain Tasting

 

[mulligan]

Once these greedy bastards realized they could snatch all the good domains for themselves and castoff the rest via an auction system to basically 3 people- benfranklin, saggydimes and vaxis and maybe 1 or 2 others, that was the end.

Umm .. and you wouldn't do it if you had the know-how, $$$'s and connections? You would catch all the top names and distribute them in a fair and transparent manner at $60 a pop? ... Yeah right ...

People like you make me laugh when you whine and bitch about those who got off their lazy asses and became successful (not to mention filthy rich)

Sheesh .. cry me a river ... :smilewinkgrin:

 

[katherine]

The AIM of the API is not to catch domains.
You need direct access to the registry to have a chance to compete.

 

[furca]

One of the most notable domains that I ever caught in history was JohnMcCain.net @ Pool.com. Won a bid for $70 and later sold it to him for $1,000.

It wasn't that far back, so you can still make money in drops. You just might have to hold it for a year or so.

 

[Gerry]

Does anybody know who is behind this entity? I seem to be losing a lot of drops to this group lately

XIN NET TECHNOLOGY CORPORATION

 

[typist]

coming from someone selling worthless mobi's thats ironic

I think you missed the irony.