closed Fly.mn

[scooter49]

This is regged for the long term (10yrs)

The extention does not bother me. IMO it will be inconsequential 5-10yrs down the road (max) what the TLD is. It is the 3 letters at the front of it that are important.

.mn is Mongolia, but already there are diversifications:
http://www.senate.mn
http://www.republican.mn

In 10yrs time it will have cost me a total of $250. I am hoping It will be worth a couple of extra zero's on the end by then.

Opinions please...... (good or bad!)

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[GeorgeK]

Wow, that's a very interesting one. I've not seen a .mn domain before. It would be perfect for the state of Minnesota.

I'd say it's worth a few thousand dollars to a regional airline. Nice grab.

 

[kwok]

Regfee for each of the 3 domains.
Hard to resell a .mn.

 

[scooter49]

Regfee for each of the 3 domains.
Hard to resell a .mn.

That's interesting. From a few $k to reg fee.....

I would really like opinions on what it will be worth in 10yrs time, not its value now.

Please read the whole of this thread:
http://www.dnforum.com/showthread.php?t=168199&page=2&highlight=golf.pk

and then give me your take on top generic TLD's for the future. My view is it will not matter what the extention is, as long as it is a TLD.

10yrs from now, if you want instant branding but cannot afford to shell out $10 million on "insure.com", I think you will find the bigger players will happily buy "insure.im" for $50,000 and a few other TLD's at the same time, and spend another $1 million on seo, ppc etc and they will be right up there with the big .com daddy stealing their business for a fraction of the cost.

Times will change very fast over the next 5-10yrs and .com will become marginalised to:
A. US comapanies
B. The very few, truly global companies. (In fact, the global players will want to snap up the TLD's of other countries as well, because they have a presence there). Volvo already have volvo.mn and I see there is also fujitsu.mn and bankofamerica.mn ?????

So as things hot up it will be a 2 horse race.
1. The global entity that will pay large sums to ensure they have a true identity within that country.
2. The large company with a reasonable spend that wants instant branding that does not reside in the domains extention but will actively market through seo, ppc etc to their own market. (like we see with .tv and a few others already)

Either way, to me, the future looks very bright.

What do others think?


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[flybuzz]

what's mn?

 

[lyndonmaxewell]

what's mn?

Pls read the first post..

 

[scooter49]

Has no-one any views on this?

Or are you all so insular that unless it's a .com, it will still be worth next to zero in 10 yrs time

Lets have a heated debate !!!!

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Vegas.sg is a great name. Instantly brandable and is a great name in any TLD. In 10 years time you will be treating yourself to a new car when you sell it.

As for zxw.com and the likes, they really are abissmal names. The only people that will ever own them are domainers.

Look outside the .com bubble. There is a huge world out there and it is shrinking by the day and coming closer to a google search engine near you.


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[Bill Roy]

Is there a minnesota airline or even an air courier service? If so then they would be mugs not to grab this, to them could easily be worth $x,xxx for advertising purposes.

This is the way the advertising market will take the ccTLD's into the future, and I do not think it will be 5-10 years, I am already selling a steady stream of .ST's based on advertising value.

 

[SouthernTn]

Its hard to say what its going to be worth in 10 years.. It all depends on where the industry is going.. and no one *REALLY* knows. If they knew, back then, 3 letters wouldn't have been going for so cheap, because they're worth 3x's + more now.

 

[damitssam]

10 years from now the internet may cease to exist. Thats great, no one can predict. As for right now, fly.mn is reg fee. I register tons of cctld and from experience fly is not a "top tier keyword" (sex business travel loan , etc). Why in the world will companies buy "fly.mn" as long as there are TONS of OTHER extentions AVAILABLE.

THe only 3 keywords right now that are worth substancial amount of money in the cctld market are Sex, Poker, and Casino. Each could get $XXXX with no problem.

The rest you will have to wait and see.

 

[DomainsGT]

As someone who has worked with the Internet for more than 20 years, I always have to laugh when I see the "The Internet may not even exist in 5, 10, 15 ... years" line. Thank you for the mirth.

I am quite sure that many people thought that area codes would not work out or even toll free numbers that weren't 800 prefixes. Sure, you have a cell phone that allows free long distance - not all consumers do.

As for the 10 year appraisal of FLY.MN , who knows ? In 1990, 16 years ago, business.com sex.com travel.com loan.com were all available for regfee and only me and about 4,000 others had even heard of the Internet. If this is your only domain and your retirement plan, good luck - it may still work out. Really, for what domain names cost now - I believe it would be had to not justify the cost by a sale within ten years. I wish I had bought a lot more ten years ago.

I do agree that in the future (2,3,5 years) the domain keywords will be as or more important than the .com TLD. It really just stands to reason. The old TLDs (.org,.net,.edu, even .mil and .gov) and the ccTLDs (especially .uk,.ca,.la,.au,.de,.jp,.in,and .cn) have seriously diluted the global value of .com.
I also agree that companies will select domain names with less emphasis on the TLD and more emphasis on the "brandability" or "rememberability". For this reason, FLY.MN may be valuable to a Minnesota based airline TODAY. Also a pilot with the initials MN or company that specializes in ad hoc flights (FLY.Me Now) or the like might be willing to pay in the $x,xxx.

Interestingly, I have found that the very group of people who are so confident the know where the market is headed spend almost no money advertising their products to the intended consumers. It is not about the .com folks - there is a whole market out there waiting to be educated as to thier choices. Dot coms are popular (in the US and globally) because of the billions of dollars (yen,rubles,DM,pounds,punts,rupees) spent informing the public about the .com product. The other TLDs (and ccTLDs) will catch up in popularity when they catch up in MARKETING.

I agree, let the discussion heat up.

 

[Bill Roy]

Domain GT, Well spotted with the 'Me Now'!

 

[WhoDatDog]

As someone who has worked with the Internet for more than 20 years, I always have to laugh when I see the "The Internet may not even exist in 5, 10, 15 ... years" line. Thank you for the mirth.

I am quite sure that many people thought that area codes would not work out or even toll free numbers that weren't 800 prefixes. Sure, you have a cell phone that allows free long distance - not all consumers do.

As for the 10 year appraisal of FLY.MN , who knows ? In 1990, 16 years ago, business.com sex.com travel.com loan.com were all available for regfee and only me and about 4,000 others had even heard of the Internet. If this is your only domain and your retirement plan, good luck - it may still work out. Really, for what domain names cost now - I believe it would be had to not justify the cost by a sale within ten years. I wish I had bought a lot more ten years ago.



I do agree that in the future (2,3,5 years) the domain keywords will be as or more important than the .com TLD. It really just stands to reason. The old TLDs (.org,.net,.edu, even .mil and .gov) and the ccTLDs (especially .uk,.ca,.la,.au,.de,.jp,.in,and .cn) have seriously diluted the global value of .com.
I also agree that companies will select domain names with less emphasis on the TLD and more emphasis on the "brandability" or "rememberability". For this reason, FLY.MN may be valuable to a Minnesota based airline TODAY. Also a pilot with the initials MN or company that specializes in ad hoc flights (FLY.Me Now) or the like might be willing to pay in the $x,xxx.

Interestingly, I have found that the very group of people who are so confident the know where the market is headed spend almost no money advertising their products to the intended consumers. It is not about the .com folks - there is a whole market out there waiting to be educated as to thier choices. Dot coms are popular (in the US and globally) because of the billions of dollars (yen,rubles,DM,pounds,punts,rupees) spent informing the public about the .com product. The other TLDs (and ccTLDs) will catch up in popularity when they catch up in MARKETING.

I agree, let the discussion heat up.

How many great dotcom's did you pick up when you and 4,000 other people were the other ones aware of the Internet? If you didn't make a million with those names then you are already zero for one in your mid-range prognostication efforts.

One of the biggest sucker bets in the domain industry is the buying of names in alternate extentions that would be worth a ton...if only they were dotcom. This, and the buying of Wii and Zune-type names is usually the sign of someone who hasn't made a lot of money in the business.

You are about 10 years late with this "outside the box" thinking. At least you are paying the bills of the registrars though. Once in a while these names have "a little" value, but as a general rule they are a big money hole.

The difference between Fly.com and Fly.mn is so wide that they really aren't even the same word. Some people get that and some people don't. Those who favor dotcoms are realists who understand that Internet commerce is dominated by dotcom and that likely won't change in any of our lifetimes.

Those who disagree can dabble in obscure extentions that even domainers haven't heard of. Most of the owners of these 3rd-string junior varsity names get very defensive when they are told the truth about the value of their names. 3rd-string names often come with the words "with development it could be worth something". I like to play in the big-leagues.

Then again, for $250 for 10 years it might not be a bad bet.

 

[Joe]

no one here can project what your domain will be worth in 10 years time. For all anyone knows, all "domain names" can be worth 0, ten years from now as the internet continues to evolve and the way information is accessed via the internet of the future could be completely different from the way information is accessed via the internet of today. :greensighw:

-Joe

 

[Joe]

Vegas.sg is a great name. Instantly brandable and is a great name in any TLD. In 10 years time you will be treating yourself to a new car when you sell it.

Why do you presume that names in these alt extensions such as .mn or .sg, will increase in value over time? I'm not necessarily saying they won't, but I'd like to hear the logic behind all the madness. Thanks.

-Joe

 

[jazzpetals]

I believe ten years from now, there will be a remote control system as we now have with televisions in order to browse the web. Imagine what that would be like for you guys who like to channel surf, millions and millions of clicks right at your fingertips!

 

[Bill Roy]

The logic behind 'some' of the extensions, as far as I am concerned, is their use by the advertising industry. As many will know I specialize in the use of the domain suffix either as a logical inclusion of the domain name (e.g. resthom.es) or as a widely used and readily accepted abbreviation (e.g. 42nd.St, College.St).

Such use of the domain name suffix is an advertising mecca for instant recognition by the public. This allows for the expansion of the industry away from the very narrow confines by utilizing the few gTLD's that are readily available but already registered (.com, .net, .info, etc.). Such a stratagem is well known in the advertising industry already and with the continued growth of advertising revenue to internet advertising this would seem to be a more than likely direction at least some of that advertising revenue will go.

Please note I am clearly not saying that any extension following any word or phrase has value, far from it, indeed I have tried to stop people from such registrations in the chat room and in previous posts. The stratagem I suggest is a narrow use of the ccTLD's as above. There is one point to note though and that is that the most searched for keywords will increase in value in a popular ccTLD on the back of this stratagem.

Finally, we must remember that 'our' final client is the internet using public, and 'they' accept some funny domain names readily and indeed make the domain names everyday language. Why then would they not accept 42nd.St as '42nd Street'?

Dotcom is histroically the first suffix used worldwide, and has been correctly accepted as the prime domain suffix, with this there is no arguement. However, it should also be realised by domainers that we are now dealing with advertising not as in the past with banners or links, we are now dealing with the mainstream advertisng where domain names will be used in front of the public and as such domaining is maturing into the commercial advertising world.

 

[Irish31]

Well you know my opinoin Scooter. I think at the price, the risk/reward ratio for a good one word domain in a ? TLD is worth it.

If it doesn't work out, you didn't lose your house over it, if it does, you can put a down payment on a new one.


Jay

 

[Ubiquitous]

$5 now - $500 in 2 years...

Regards ~

 

[DomainsGT]

Well, thanks to that long rant I posted here, you all know my position.

I have already made enough money from sales to pay for all of my reg fees in the past and for quite a few years in the future. Not enough to quit my other businesses. If I were to make domains my full time business, I would certainly adhere to the the marketing rule of thumb - "Spend at least 10% of the desired revenue on marketing". I can say, without fail, every time that I have spent a "reasonable" amount of money marketing a domain (even .info or .biz) that it has come back to me tenfold.

Please understand, I wish that the end users would just do whois searches and send me emails offering $xxx,xxx,xxx. Come on folks, business rules still apply in the cyber world and that means for ccTLDs (including .sg, .mn, and .vn).

You can't sell a secret!