closed Fly.mn

[scooter49]

Well, thanks to that long rant I posted here, you all know my position.

I have already made enough money from sales to pay for all of my reg fees in the past and for quite a few years in the future. Not enough to quit my other businesses. If I were to make domains my full time business, I would certainly adhere to the the marketing rule of thumb - "Spend at least 10% of the desired revenue on marketing". I can say, without fail, every time that I have spent a "reasonable" amount of money marketing a domain (even .info or .biz) that it has come back to me tenfold.

Please understand, I wish that the end users would just do whois searches and send me emails offering $xxx,xxx,xxx. Come on folks, business rules still apply in the cyber world and that means for ccTLDs (including .sg, .mn, and .vn).

You can't sell a secret!

Spot on with both your postings DomainsGT. (and yours BILLBO)

1. All premium generic name ccTLD's will do very well in the coming years, but with all good names, they will require marketing. The world is not yet ready for fly.mn but in a few years time it will be and that is the time to market heavily.

2. .com will be a shrinking market and BILLBO is right. Companies will see the light and have instant branding for a fraction of the cost and have a healthy budget left over for serious marketing.

3. .com will become unnatainable for most companies. It will be down to the very few truly global players. In fact, they will swallow up companies not for their performance, but for their domain name!

Here is an example: golf.com ... owned by "Time4 Media". Owners of "Golf Magazine" and no doubt a few other publications. A large fish will come along and want the name golf.com, but knowing they would never sell, they will buy the company, and the publication side will become an offshoot and could quite easily be sold off as all they really want is the name.

So that leaves a million other companies wanting instant branding. Watch this space in a few years time .......

As for all the 3 letter .coms being bought and sold at the moment? It is speculators, how many comapnaies are buying???

You can keep your exd, xzd, gjq.com's. The only people you will be selling to is other domainers. They will just keep going round and round.


WhoDatDog.....
The smart investor never stops looking "outside the box"


I have plenty names in other extentions. As for .mn ...

fly.mn
bet.mn
oil.mn
recycle.mn
organic.mn
tickets.mn

I'm happy to wait until the market is ready.


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[Irish31]

I don't know if we are right Scooter, but if we are, I'm ready:



Money.mn
123.mn
banks.mn
teens.mn

a slew of decent NNN .cc's (240) all ending in 0.


Refinance.st
relationship.st
fore.st
sexie.st
country.st


If I was a company that wanted to start a dating site, I would probably rather spend 50k on relationship.st (buy it for 10k and spend 40k advertising it) then spend 50k on superhotdates.com because it's the only .com left that is half way marketable.

Or you could spend 100k on dating.com or something like that, if you had the budget. My point is in the future I see companies caring more about the "name" then the extension.

Maybe i'm wrong, but if I am, I lost alot less then alot of .com'ers have.


Jay

 

[scooter49]

I don't know if we are right Scooter, but if we are, I'm ready:



Money.mn
123.mn
banks.mn
teens.mn

a slew of decent NNN .cc's (240) all ending in 0.


Refinance.st
relationship.st
fore.st
sexie.st
country.st


If I was a company that wanted to start a dating site, I would probably rather spend 50k on relationship.st (buy it for 10k and spend 40k advertising it) then spend 50k on superhotdates.com because it's the only .com left that is half way marketable.

Or you could spend 100k on dating.com or something like that, if you had the budget. My point is in the future I see companies caring more about the "name" then the extension.

Maybe i'm wrong, but if I am, I lost alot less then alot of .com'ers have.


Jay

You hit the nail on the head Jay. The internet is shrinking very fast and it will come down to the name, not the TLD as marketing takes over.

I think it's funny how domainers are scrambling to get "that" 3 letter .com. All the best ones were taken years ago and even if they do sell, how many are selling to companies??? I think the majority are going to other domainers and now we have the scramble to get a 4 letter .com!!! In another couple of years we will have the same scramble for 5 letter .coms!

The majority of .coms are pushed from domainer to domainer..... fact.

.com is shrinking and when companies wake up to the fact they can have a prime generic name for a fraction of the cost which will leave them a very large budget for marketing, the .com world will become even smaller.

Lets remember the whole internet is only 20yrs old, and 20yrs ago if you wanted a domain name it did not matter if you stayed in California or Cyprus, the only name you could reg was .com. That is the only reason .com is so popular. The next generation will be very different. As marketing takes over they will not automatically think of a name and type in .com in their browser, they will be the ones that will truly be influenced by marketing and type in golf.at as they just saw it on the telly and on the billboard and on the taxi.

.comer's beware .......

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[Irish31]

Ha, you are very optimistic Scooter.

We could always be very wrong too, although I very much doubt it. That being said, I did pick up some NNN .cc's (won't bother with meaningless LLL domains) for the future.

I think the future is the name of the domain, not the extension. We can all debate this till our fingers start to go numb, but the bottom line is, if the advertising world wants some of the other TLD's to become big, they will.

You see it and hear it enough, it will be everyday lingo eventually. If they want to bury it, then it will die a slow death too.

I just think the world is slowly waking up to the fact that if you want to run a business you don't have to be forced into a 2nd or 3rd rate .com .net or .biz anymore.

We'll see though, it will be very very interesting.

Jay

 

[damitssam]

Spot on with both your postings DomainsGT. (and yours BILLBO)

1. All premium generic name ccTLD's will do very well in the coming years, but with all good names, they will require marketing. The world is not yet ready for fly.mn but in a few years time it will be and that is the time to market heavily.

2. .com will be a shrinking market and BILLBO is right. Companies will see the light and have instant branding for a fraction of the cost and have a healthy budget left over for serious marketing.

3. .com will become unnatainable for most companies. It will be down to the very few truly global players. In fact, they will swallow up companies not for their performance, but for their domain name!

Here is an example: golf.com ... owned by "Time4 Media". Owners of "Golf Magazine" and no doubt a few other publications. A large fish will come along and want the name golf.com, but knowing they would never sell, they will buy the company, and the publication side will become an offshoot and could quite easily be sold off as all they really want is the name.

So that leaves a million other companies wanting instant branding. Watch this space in a few years time .......

As for all the 3 letter .coms being bought and sold at the moment? It is speculators, how many comapnaies are buying???

You can keep your exd, xzd, gjq.com's. The only people you will be selling to is other domainers. They will just keep going round and round.


WhoDatDog.....
The smart investor never stops looking "outside the box"


I have plenty names in other extentions. As for .mn ...

fly.mn
bet.mn
oil.mn
recycle.mn
organic.mn
tickets.mn

I'm happy to wait until the market is ready.


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Ok scooter. This troubles me. WHY are you registering and wasting your hard earned money on 2nd tier keywords.

FACT IS: Top Tier Keywords ARE STILL available in certain extentions!! INVEST in those!! 1st tier keywords can get you low xxx RIGHT NOW in current market. (not including poker, sex, casino those are all registered and sell for x,xxx - yes all extentions registerable by a worldwide domainer ARE registered for those keywords)

I do cctlds too ... but someone here is critisizing that ".com goes from domainer to domainer". ALL extentions are primarily from domainer to domainer. ESPECIALLY in cctlds. I have yet to have ONE end user buy my top keyword names in exotic extentions. ALL my sales in the cctld have been to resellers.

Yes, cctlds can be profitable (I use to own poker.pk and casino.vu). But register the RIGHT keywords. Dont register "organic" "recycle" or what not...

Sam

 

[scooter49]

Ok scooter. This troubles me. WHY are you registering and wasting your hard earned money on 2nd tier keywords.

FACT IS: Top Tier Keywords ARE STILL available in certain extentions!! INVEST in those!! 1st tier keywords can get you low xxx RIGHT NOW in current market. (not including poker, sex, casino those are all registered and sell for x,xxx - yes all extentions registerable by a worldwide domainer ARE registered for those keywords)

I do cctlds too ... but someone here is critisizing that ".com goes from domainer to domainer". ALL extentions are primarily from domainer to domainer. ESPECIALLY in cctlds. I have yet to have ONE end user buy my top keyword names in exotic extentions. ALL my sales in the cctld have been to resellers.

Yes, cctlds can be profitable (I use to own poker.pk and casino.vu). But register the RIGHT keywords. Dont register "organic" "recycle" or what not...

Sam

Hi Sam,
Fair point.

but someone here is critisizing that ".com goes from domainer to domainer". ALL extentions are primarily from domainer to domainer.
I beg to differ, but this may be down to where you live and what you are registering. I'm in the UK and all my sales have have gone to end users.

http://www.cleardebt.co.uk $4.5k
http://www.property-investment.com $5k
http://www.landtech.co.uk $2k
http://www.hire4less.co.uk $3.8k

to give you a quick example.


I have yet to have ONE end user buy my top keyword names in exotic extentions. ALL my sales in the cctld have been to resellers.
That's where you and me differ. I am not interested in selling my "exotic" cctld's at present. I am happy to sit on them for a good few years. I sincerely wished I had known you were selling poker.pk for $1500. I would have bitten your hand off to get it at this price. I would then have been very happy to sit on it for 5-10yrs. What else have you got??? PM Me

register the RIGHT keywords. Dont register "organic" "recycle"
I totally agree, but at the price you can get them for, and looking at the long term investment, I think 2nd tier keywords will still do ok, and if they don't, i'm confident fly, bet and oil.mn will carry them. (All domainers have a few "iffy" domains )

Time will tell.....


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[lyndonmaxewell]

All i can say is, hope you are right. :bounce:

 

[damitssam]

Long Long PM sent with all my gems

 

[whitebark]

Isn't Minnesota chocked full of lakes? There must be many charter airlines in that state. Perfect domain for it.

As for the future of it. Well if there really is an oil peak coming - flying around will not be happening except for the super-rich. Your name could become worthless because of it.

It could also be short for - fly-fishing. Again, a state with great fishing...

 

[scooter49]

Isn't Minnesota chocked full of lakes? There must be many charter airlines in that state. Perfect domain for it.

As for the future of it. Well if there really is an oil peak coming - flying around will not be happening except for the super-rich. Your name could become worthless because of it.

It could also be short for - fly-fishing. Again, a state with great fishing...

There is no oil peak coming. Prices will continue to rise due to the middle east crisis, but you (Canadians) do not have to worry


"At current rates of production, the Athabasca oil sands reserves would last over 400 years. However, they are unlikely to stay that way given the current supply shortage in the world. Assuming that Alberta quadrupled its production of oil, exporting most of it to the United States, the oil sands would last over 100 years."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabasca_Tar_Sands

It is estimated Canada has the second largest reserves of oil in the world. (Suadi 1st)


You will be one of the super-rich countries in the next generation. Enjoy....


Who owns fly.ca ?? !!!!

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[damitssam]

Got my PM Scooter? . Still have some poker.** id sell for 1.5k

 

[Duckinla]

The problem with the CC extension theory is that there are too many of them. Fly.mn is no more memorable than flymn.com or mnfly.com. You will have to spend as much money branding the .mn extension as you would have to spend branding the name thedotmnextension.com.

Extensions are like shopping malls. You've got a great location in a mall that no one will come too. Now if 10,000 business got together and started promoting the .mn shopping mall, it could amount to something (like .net did). But that's not too likely to happen.

 

[scooter49]

Looks like us believers are going to be proved right
And it looks like it will be a lot less than my initial 10yr forecast.

Once again, .com diehards, don't be so insular.


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