IDN's dropping like flies

[touchring]

Those are registars keeping for themselves??

My (very very)wild guess is Theo belongs to this league... so, lets dont blame him :cheeky: *kidding*

-no flame-

Some i think - i know that Register.com has started keeping the ones with more than a few dozen uniques a day since Mar or Apr this year. Before that, they just drop them.

 

[Rubber Duck]

Do I really speak Greek? Yes, I do. Do I care what you think? No, I don't.

People will use gestures if necessary. Spoken language and typing behavior, especially in a technology-driven world are two distinct things. Just because more than 1/3 of the world speaks a Chinese dialect does not mean the same - or even remotely close - percentage use the Internet in their native language. I am not talking about content; I'm referring to the way the URL is typed in.

Therefore, I didn't say people don't; I said people's choice is the natural language of the Internet: English.

The reason that most people do not get why IDNs will come to take their place alongside English Dot Coms is that they don't really understand why English Dot Coms work. Once they come to understand that English Dot Coms are just a special case of wider domaining format they will be better domainers. Unfortunately, but inevitably most will be too late to make any serious money.

The Domain Space was invented because of the problems that humans have accurately recognising and recalling 12 digit numerical sequences. This would have been even more of a problem now we are shifting to 18 digit numerical sequences. Just imagine the opportunities a phisher would have if we all relied on such addresses. Of course, we still do but the whole concept of domains is that they are aliases that can be easily recognised and recalled by humans. Of course, just as with the IP addresses, the concept of each being unique is fundamental.

Due to technological limitations of the era, the character set for Domain Name System (DNS) was limited to the 26 characters of the Latin Alphabet, the hyphen and the digits 0 to 9. This was acceptable because the Internet was conceived by English Speakers for English Speakers. Of course the picture has changed a great deal since then and already the number of English Speaker users is set to drop below 20% of the total. Eventually, it will be far less than 10%.

Domain names right from the start have had two parts. The keyword and the extension. The extension was required from the outset as it was obvious to anyone with half a brain that there was a limit to the number of truely useful memorable terms. Terms that are more difficult to recall than 12 digit sequences they represent are inherently useless, but this fact seems to have been overlooked by a large number of Dot Com enthuisiasts. The extension, however, allows all the useful popular terms to be replicated over and over again, thereby providing an adequate domain space for the entire globe. It also allows domain to be segmented by category and geography, which is useful for search, and other applications. The keyword is of course the bit that has to be designed for instant recall. The extension are by their very nature brands, and of course some are stronger brands than others.

The system has been designed to be as effective and simple as possible for the problem as it was orginally envisaged. The problem arises, however, when you have communites that require internet access that are unfamilar with the Latin Alphabetic characters. Most, however, will be familar with the numerical digits. It is virtually impossible, however, for speakers of other languages to create domain registries of domains that meet the "recognise and recall" criteria for more than a comparatively small number of names. The Chinese quickly recognised that short numerical sequences were very memorable to Chinese people but Pinyin was virtually useless to them. Obviously the scope for creating short numerical sequences is limited. They have also rather less satisfactorily adopted Acroynms.

It soon becomes clear to anyone capable of objective analysis that the "recognise and recall" criteria can only be achieved for usefully large numbers of domains for various language groups, particularly in Asia, by allowing them to register domains in the language characters that they use to write their own languages. English people would be horrified if they were expected to represent their names in Arabic or Cyrillic Scripts. Why they have the temerity to imagine that others should feel differently when the problem is presented the other way around is impossible for most people to understand. This is, however, a position taken by many that consider themselves experts in the field. The bottom line, however, is that many are just those that follow markets. The herd mentallity is common to 90% of those that participate in any market. It is in part because they many are not long-term investors and are therefore only interested in short-term trends. It is also because most are not capable of useful fundamental analysis. They are good at following curves but incapable of predicting what lies beyond the cusp.

 

[DNWizardX9]

The reason that most people do not get why IDNs will come to take their place alongside English Dot Coms is that they don't really understand why English Dot Coms work. Once they come to understand that English Dot Coms are just a special case of wider domaining format they will be better domainers. Unfortunately, but inevitably most will be too late to make any serious money.

The Domain Space was invented because of the problems that humans have accurately recognising and recalling 12 digit numerical sequences. This would have been even more of a problem now we are shifting to 18 digit numerical sequences. Just imagine the opportunities a phisher would have if we all relied on such addresses. Of course, we still do but the whole concept of domains is that they are easily recognisable aliases, that can be recognised and recalled by humans. Of course, just as with the IP addresses, the concept of each being unique is fundamental.

Due to technological limitations of the era, the character set for Domain Name System (DNS) was limited to the 26 characters of the Latin Alphabet, the hyphen and the digits 0 to 9. This was acceptable because the Internet was conceived by English Speakers for English Speakers. Of course the picture has changed a great deal since then and already the number of English Speaker users is set to drop below 20% of the total. Eventually, it will be far less than 10%.

Domain names right from the start have had two parts. The keyword and the extension. The extension was required from the outset as it was obvious to anyone with half a brain that there was a limit to the number of truely useful memorable terms. Terms that are more difficult to recall than 12 digit sequences they represent are inherently useless, but this fact seems to have been overlooked by a large number of Dot Com enthuisiasts. The extension, however, allows all the useful popular terms to be replicated over and over again, thereby providing an adequate domain space for the entire globe. It also allows domain to be segmented by category and geography, which is useful for search, and other applications. The keyword is of course the bit that has to be designed for instant recall. The extension are by their very nature brands, and of course some are stronger brands than others.

The system has been designed to be as effective and simple as possible for the problem as it was orginally envisaged. The problem arises, however, when you have communites that require internet access that are unfamilar with the Latin Alphabetic characters. Most, however, will be familar with the numerical digits. It is virtually impossible, however, for speakers of other languages to create domain registries of domains that meet the "recognise and recall" criteria for more than a comparatively small number of names. The Chinese quickly recognised that short numerical sequences were very memorable to Chinese people but Pinyin was virtually useless to them. Obviously the scope for creating short numerical sequences is limited. They have also rather less satisfactorily adopted Acroynms.

It soon becomes clear to anyone capable of objective analysis that the "recognise and recall" criteria can only be achieved for usefully large numbers of domains for various language groups, particularly in Asia, by allow them to register domains in the language characters that they use to write their own languages. English people would be horrified if they were expected to represent their names in Arabic or Cyrillic Scripts. Why they have the temerity to imagine that others should feel differently when the problem is presented the other way around is impossible for most people to understand. This is, however, a position taken by many that consider themselves experts in the field. The bottom line, however, is that many are just those that follow markets. The herd mentallity is common to 90% of those that participate in any market. It is in part because they many are not long-term investors and are therefore only interested in short-term trends. It is also because most are not capable of useful fundamental analysis. They are good a following curves but incapable of predicting what lies beyond the cusp.

No comments from Acroplex on RD's post? Ok, he has finally agreed that IDN's can make you filthy rich. He is now busy acquiring every Greek IDN he can find.

 

[Theo]

Wizmunch, still waiting for you to post a single domain that you own. You may use your Klingon keyboard if you prefer.

Still waiting for that answer from your mom? :-D

 

[bwhhisc]

No comments from Acroplex on RD's post? Ok, he has finally agreed that IDN's can make you filthy rich. He is now busy acquiring every Greek IDN he can find.

There are still some good Greek IDNs to register, but the biggest upside potential for IDNs will be in Japanese, Chinese, Russian and the biggest EU countries.

 

[Theo]

I have no IDN's - my portfolio shall remain pure. You can feast on the rest of the extended ASCII like pigeons over crumbs :-D

 

[DNWizardX9]

I have no IDN's - my portfolio shall remain pure. You can feast on the rest of the extended ASCII like pigeons over crumbs :-D

Good luck buddy. I hear that some good ascii .org's are droppin. Shouldn't you be at your post admiring the massive amount of money you can sell each one? $1500 ? oh pitty the foo, top tier IDNs are being sold by some right now for $3000-$4000 on the aftermarket to make way for developing their other idns.

 

[bwhhisc]

I have no IDN's - my portfolio shall remain pure. You can feast on the rest of the extended ASCII like pigeons over crumbs :-D

Stay with what you know if it works for you.

Thanks for the lively thread, it was almost getting a bit boring around here.
We'll keep you updated on the progress of IDN traffic and Sale$ :thumb:

Nice to have an IDN section here at DNF as we approach liftoff.

 

[Theo]

Good luck buddy. I hear that some good ascii .org's are droppin. Shouldn't you be at your post admiring the massive amount of money you can sell each one? $1500 ? oh pitty the foo, top tier IDNs are being sold by some right now for $3000-$4000 on the aftermarket to make way for developing their other idns.

Last time you said that same crap, I told you to go ask your mother.

I think you haven't done that yet. So go ask your mother.

Until you post a SINGLE domain that you own, you are an anonymous coward and your posts are the equivalent of digital farts :-D

 

[IDNebook.com]

Last time you said that same crap, I told you to go ask your mother.

I think you haven't done that yet. So go ask your mother.

Until you post a SINGLE domain that you own, you are an anonymous coward and your posts are the equivalent of digital farts :-D

DN Drop the Bomb on him , show him that you own a Forum with over a Half a MILLION posts ! and god knows how many members

 

[Theo]

What does it matter if he doenst want to please you and post a domain , I know for a 100% fact that he runs bigger websites than you. And if he feels like taking you up on the challenge I can be the bookie and you guys can bet some big money and i will take a % :becky:

How about you put your dot org & info collection on it ?

Are you his mother? Seems that anonymous cowards stick together. Dufus.

I stand behind each and every post I've made, while some goody two-shoes posts crap though his anonymous ass.

 

[IDNebook.com]

Im sorry you missed out Acro , maybe another dot mobi opportunity will come along ROTFLMAO ATWTTBANK

 

[Theo]

I missed out? I've exposed your hypocricy and lack of foresight. If anything else, I am pissing in your own little party here :-D

When you and your close buddy grow cojones and put a name behind your moniker, I'll gladly discuss things on a different level. But that won't happen until you change your little nursing tune.

Hasta la vista μαλάκες! :-D

 

[IDNebook.com]

I missed out? I've exposed your hypocricy and lack of foresight. If anything else, I am pissing in your own little party here :-D

When you and your close buddy grow cojones and put a name behind your moniker, I'll gladly discuss things on a different level. But that won't happen until you change your little nursing tune.

Hasta la vista μαλάκες! :-D

ROTFLMAO for 1 too many reasons !

 

[Rubber Duck]

I missed out? I've exposed your hypocricy and lack of foresight. If anything else, I am pissing in your own little party here :-D

When you and your close buddy grow cojones and put a name behind your moniker, I'll gladly discuss things on a different level. But that won't happen until you change your little nursing tune.

Hasta la vista μαλάκες! :-D

That may be your perspective. Mine is you are just making a prat of yourself.

It is interesting how few of the Dot Com is King Boot Boys turn up these days. I guess most of them are a little too astute to be on the wrong end of a good kicking.

Fortunately, you suffer no such inhibitions!

Your strategies are very predictable. When logical arguments evade you, you simply revert to this juvenile abuse.

 

[touchring]

I think we should go and find a hobby. The PPC market is now being severely hammered with Google reducing payout to partners and asciiers are moaning non-stop right now - see http://www.dnforum.com/showthread.php?t=187577

I think there will be better chance in the Far East and maybe parts of Europe with Google having a smaller share and more competition. With Google monopolizing the American market, gone are the days when US traffic earn substantially more - Google will get the bulk of your money. And with the coming devaluation of the US dollar vis-a-vis major currencies, earnings will reduce even more.

 

[typist]

The herd mentality is common to 90% of those that participate in any market

true.

 

[bwhhisc]

IE7 is out and yet ppl are in disarray, dropping entire portfolios. The IDN horse turned out to be a ...mule :-D .

Who is dropping their entire portfolio? Still waiting for (anyone) to speak up.

Looks like google is smiling on IDNs...:humble:

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2006/08/how-search-results-may-differ-based-on.html

The IDN horse is going to turn out being the "Trojan Horse" to many domainers that 'only' listened to myths.

 

[Theo]

That may be your perspective. Mine is you are just making a prat of yourself.

It is interesting how few of the Dot Com is King Boot Boys turn up these days. I guess most of them are a little too astute to be on the wrong end of a good kicking.

Fortunately, you suffer no such inhibitions!

Your strategies are very predictable. When logical arguments evade you, you simply revert to this juvenile abuse.

I feel sorry seeing how you're focusing on me, instead of the muddy pond in front of you. I am not here to proselytize you and you are as much of a religious IDN freak as everyone else in this sub-forum. But I will speak my mind; if you don't like hearing alternate versions of your blurred vision, put me on ignore and carry on with your course.

 

[touchring]

Who is dropping their entire portfolio? Still waiting for (anyone) to speak up.

Looks like google is smiling on IDNs...:humble:

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2006/08/how-search-results-may-differ-based-on.html

The IDN horse is going to turn out being the "Trojan Horse" to many domainers that 'only' listened to myths.

I really hope people are dropping, nowadays everyone is holding onto their generics - as compared to a year ago, the idn drop scene has turned around 100%. I truly enjoyed the days when RD was battling the entire DNF. :fencing:

If generic idns are really dropping, no less than a quarter of dnjournal's domain sales for the week space will be dominated by snapped idns.