IDN's dropping like flies

[touchring]

From DNJournal:

Paul Twomey, the President and CEO of ICANN, said today that rushing to add non-English characters to domain names could literally break the Internet. Twomey said ICANN (who is in charge of the global domain name system) is under a lot of political pressure to quickly make domain names available using local alphabets around the world but that more testing is needed to make sure that can be accomplished while allowing the Internet to continue to work without problems. Domains that use foreign characters (known as International Domain Names) currently use an underlying puny code that consists of standard English characters. If ICANN works the technical issues out (which they are expected to do before the end of 2007), puny codes will not be necessary and a true multi-cultural Internet DNS will emerge. Twomey, a native Australian, made his comments while speaking today in Sydney.

http://dnjournal.com/lowdown.htm

Q: Are they saying that punnycode domains will be obsolete/useless and real language domains will replace them?

This is nothing new. The early idn harvestors were holding onto BQ code before they swapped for XN code. Rather, the implication will be on link marketing, using unicode to link instead of punycode.

 

[bwhhisc]

From DNJournal: Q: Are they saying that punnycode domains will be obsolete/useless and real language domains will replace them?

If that was to happen those already having registered the unicode (and punycode) would be grandfathered in.

The existing system allows "unicode" or native languages and scripts to convert to "punycode" which is Latin/English letters A-Z, numbers 1-9, 0 and - (hypen) which fits neatly within the existing internet system. The entire IDN system is functioning TODAY, but it will only take off and spread as Microsoft releases their IE7 in native languages to allow full IDN capability to non-English speaking internet users.

Verisign has a proposal up for DNAME which is their solution for mapping IDN system within the existing internet. Proposal is on link below at ICANN.

http://www.icann.org/announcements/proposal-dname-equivalence-mapping-tld-12dec05.pdf

 

[touchring]

From the look of what ICANN boss said, i think DNAME will take at least 4 years to become reality. Between then and now, it will be conceptualization, testing and preparing the roof, and waiting for full conversion of the browser base to idn compatible.

So, we're all now looking at idn.com for the time being, which idn investors will benefit from.

 

[Rubber Duck]

You need to understand that the whole computer Industry is a pile of fudges all stacked on top of one another. That is why everyone gets so nervous. The PC most of you are sitting at is a whole series of parallel virtuall 8086 machines running in parallel, which was only made possible because of a flaw in the orginal architecture.

Punycode isn't going away. If IDN are put into the Root under the NS scheme, it will be as punycode not Unicode. Punycode will gradually slip into the shadows until it is almost invisible. It will always be there.

 

[Duckinla]

Spot on the huge apparent differential between China and the US is largely down to foreign exchange rates. The current imbalances make most current measures of economic activity rather absurb.

The exchange rate is not controlled by any market, it's controlled by the Chinese government. As long as the exchange rates remain as they are, it will be hard to fully monetize Chinese traffic. If anyone thinks that is likely to change substantially, they are better off investing in Chinese currency than Chinese domains. As for the rest of the conversation...it's over my head.

 

[bwhhisc]

From the look of what ICANN boss said, i think DNAME will take at least 4 years to become reality. Between then and now, it will be conceptualization, testing and preparing the roof, and waiting for full conversion of the browser base to idn compatible.

All that has been truly lacking for IDN to get traffic is having browser support of native scripts. The IDN system is fully place and totally functional today. The challenge has been that most computers can't access it without the proper browser.

Vista and IE7 will provide the needed link. No doubt when non-English speaking internet users "discover" URLS and websites in their own native languages they will be more popular than the "English URLS" that the majority can't even read or understand.

IDN's may be in widespread use before the testing is complete.

 

[Theo]

The PC most of you are sitting at is a whole series of parallel virtuall 8086 machines running in parallel, which was only made possible because of a flaw in the orginal architecture.

Please don't make posts while under the influence.

Comparing 8086 architecture to that of today's Pentium and AMD CPUs is like saying that sticking enough monkeys together you'd get a human.

 

[Rubber Duck]

Please don't make posts while under the influence.

Comparing 8086 architecture to that of today's Pentium and AMD CPUs is like saying that sticking enough monkeys together you'd get a human.

Yes, back to form. Nice stinging insult backed up swiftly by vaguely related obscure argument.

If you haven't understood that all PCs are based on 8086 architecture, it time to get the screw driver out and have a look inside. Or am I making unrealistic assumptions about how far up the evolutionary scale you have actually progressed.

 

[DomainEngineer]

All people have different arguments: some think punnycode will win, others say unicode will win, and some say IDNs of future will be toatlly independent of unicode or punycode as ICANN boss said.

Who should we believe?

Don't get me wrong: I may probably buy couple of good IDNs but not until the dust clears. Afterall I invest in domains to make money.....if that money is at risk then I don't want to buy IDNs atleast at this time.

If you are a newbie and want to buy IDNs....my advice is hold off or buy just a few with the money that you don't worry about losing just in case.

Thanks.

 

[Rubber Duck]

What you are actually buying is a bit of intellectual property. Do you ask for the binary code for ASCII when you buy them? It makes no difference whether Unicode goes directly into the root or not, but I can assure that isn't about to happen any time time soon.

Those that wait till the dust clears are going to find a disused quarry.

 

[Explorer]

If you are a newbie and want to buy IDNs....my advice is hold off or buy just a few with the money that you don't worry about losing just in case.

Thanks.

So, when the dust clears, IE7 is up and running, IDNs become just like any other regular domains and the traffic kicks in, there will be plenty of time to get that loan.com in different languages for just a few hundred bucks. Sure, let's wait.

 

[IDNebook.com]

Those that wait till the dust clears are going to find a disused quarry.

Or will have to call one of those domain mortgage companies :regular_smile:

 

[Rubber Duck]

Or will have to call one of those domain mortgage companies :regular_smile:

Look smart arse, we are just rejects from the Acroplex School of Business Management. What are our opinions worth around here?

In order to have a valid opinion, you need to have saddled yourself with a truck full of ASCII horseshit that is not paying its way, get really embittered because all the latest market hype surrounding IDN which is detracting for your efforts to get all the sucker newbies on the forum to hoover your dodgy offerings, do bugger all research, then launch a full frontal attack on a movement 10 years in the making, confident that your inferior intellect can put the mockers on the aspirations of 3 billion people whose written languages you are incapable of recognising.

 

[touchring]

All people have different arguments: some think punnycode will win, others say unicode will win, and some say IDNs of future will be toatlly independent of unicode or punycode as ICANN boss said.

Who should we believe?

Don't get me wrong: I may probably buy couple of good IDNs but not until the dust clears. Afterall I invest in domains to make money.....if that money is at risk then I don't want to buy IDNs atleast at this time.

If you are a newbie and want to buy IDNs....my advice is hold off or buy just a few with the money that you don't worry about losing just in case.

Thanks.

Dust? What dust?

What's so difficult about domains in multiple languages?

Perhaps you should check out the IDNF forum, read through the posts made since Dec 05, then you can come and comment. IDNF forum does not reveal the niches that makes money, but the obvious points are widely discussed. Otherwise, you're just following what Acro says without thinking.

Acro has a basis and motive for talking as though IDNs are worth nothing. Sedo PPC is falling, Google's reducing the payout, .info and .biz future's got little traffic, the future's bleak, and everyone in his group is moaning non-stop right now. IDN.COMs are taking off, will take off eventually when browsers are all IDN enabled, and this is what the .info and .biz people fear most, their names are going to be downgraded from second class to third class.

Back to the topic. And are all IDNs worth investing?

No!

Is anyone going to tell you what IDNs are worth going after?

No!! And you can be sure that most people won't sell the good ones they grabbed unless for a very high price.

Every man is for himself. You have to conduct your own research and decide for yourself what works and what does not work. When there's money, no one will tell you the specifics, though some will give you some clues for you to figure out.

 

[DNWizardX9]

All people have different arguments: some think punnycode will win, others say unicode will win, and some say IDNs of future will be toatlly independent of unicode or punycode as ICANN boss said.

dude do you even know what an IDN is???

punycode will win? LOL

You .................. , people in their native language will just type the unicode directly. Nobody is gonna type the punycode.

Punycode is just the underlining of unicode to represent non ascii.
Anyways, snapnames is making alot of money I'm sure on dropping premium IDN.

BTW, non ascii are UNICODE.

 

[DomainEngineer]

I just wish you guys make truckloads of profit on IDNs.

 

[Explorer]

I just wish you guys make truckloads of profit on IDNs.

The smartest guys in the IDN biz were ASCII converts who denied IDNs with a vengeance at first, but went back, did a lot of research and had wisdom and guts to admin they were wrong.

Now, they are sitting pretty on portfolios with premium domains.

 

[Rubber Duck]

The smartest guys in the IDN biz were ASCII converts who denied IDNs with a vengeance at first, but went back, did a lot of research and had wisdom and guts to admin they were wrong.

Now, they are sitting pretty on portfolios with premium domains.

What like Microsoft?

xn--g5ty67h.cn 微软.CN

 

[bwhhisc]

Look smart arse, we are just rejects from the Acroplex School of Business Management. What are our opinions worth around here? In order to have a valid opinion, you need to have saddled yourself with a truck full of ASCII horseshit that is not paying its way, get really embittered because all the latest market hype surrounding IDN which is detracting for your efforts to get all the sucker newbies on the forum to hoover your dodgy offerings, do bugger all research, then launch a full frontal attack on a movement 10 years in the making, confident that your inferior intellect can put the mockers on the aspirations of 3 billion people whose written languages you are incapable of recognising.

RD- now quit holding back and him how your REALLY feel!

 

[touchring]

I just wish you guys make truckloads of profit on IDNs.

Thks, the writing is already on the wall, it's not just a wish.

Just look at a survey done on eachnic, a major chinese domain forum with 10k threads on IDNs this year.
http://www.eachnic.com/club/viewthread.php?tid=107439&extra=page=13

Translation

Survey question: Title : Are Chinese domain names really suitable for countrymen?(Constituency)
1. Yes, mother tongue is more pleasant to look at. - 28 (90.32%)
2. No, inputting ascii is easier since the keys are on the keyboard. - 3 (9.68%)

The momentum is picking up faster than we all thought. ASCII names are already in the process of being reassigned to 2nd choice by chinese domainers.

Well done RD! And thks for the city names.