IDN's dropping like flies

[Theo]

Luv' 'im or 'ate 'im - he keeps a thread lively.

Tap-dancing is extra :-D

Hey, contrary from being offensive, I think this thread is really entertaining, clownish?

Ok, so let's compare idns with .mobi. So, Acroplex, what do you think?

I'm worn out with .mobi

But I will tell you this: the ultimate junk domain would have two dashes, IDN char set and end in .mobi :-D

 

[touchring]

Tap-dancing is extra :-D



I'm worn out with .mobi

But I will tell you this: the ultimate junk domain would have two dashes, IDN char set and end in .mobi :-D

Well, i dunno, you might not be aware since you might be judging based on greece ctld, that in many other places, .com is very popular. .com is not just for America.

For example, .com is very strong in France and China, and moderately strong in Japan. These are the markets where IDN.com already gets some traffic, definitely more traffic than their equivalent ascii.biz and ascii.info. Based on traffic alone, idns are worth more than .infos for these markets.

If you want to know more, ask Dillpup, he got more than a hundred thousand unique views a mths on his latins. There are at least a handful of other guys in his league on this forum i think, these guys were scooping names with hundreds to thousands of views a mth freely back in the 2004s.

If we are talking about a hundred thousand views with just Firefox, with IE support, that's half a million views a month at the minimum. 6 million views a year. Based on a 30% CTR and a conservative 10 cents per click, that's 15k a month. And 15k a month from registering $7 names 2 years ago is a real great deal!

 

[yanni]

I love IDNs

Acro, when you change your mind about idn, I'll give you константинополь.com
γιά νά εχεις καί τό Ρώσικο κοινό πού ψάχνει γιά τήν πόλη.

 

[ExpireGuy]

Just had to say, I've rather liked the discussion both pro and con here....something tells me a very..very similar thread will surface in the near future in referance to .mobi...and no it won't be started by me.

 

[mjnels]

But I will tell you this: the ultimate junk domain would have two dashes, IDN char set and end in .mobi :-D

lol

 

[acronym007]

I have allot invested in IDN but I can say for sure without hesitation NO ONE knows YET if they will succeed. We're all sitting on these IDN's hoping that one day they will be accepted, used, bought, and traded but none of that is a reality thus far. Acroplex cracks me up, I think everyone needs to loosen up a little because none of us have a crystal ball. Acroplex, if IDN's fail I'll be the first to say you said so, I have no shame in it because I'm really not sure yet. I do think it will take allot longer than people think. IE7 is not going to make IDN's great overnight. Just some thoughts. Cheers,

 

[DNWizardX9]

I have allot invested in IDN but I can say for sure without hesitation NO ONE knows YET if they will succeed. We're all sitting on these IDN's hoping that one day they will be accepted, used, bought, and traded but none of that is a reality thus far. Acroplex cracks me up, I think everyone needs to loosen up a little because none of us have a crystal ball. Acroplex, if IDN's fail I'll be the first to say you said so, I have no shame in it because I'm really not sure yet. I do think it will take allot longer than people think. IE7 is not going to make IDN's great overnight. Just some thoughts. Cheers,

Lets use Japanese for example. Check DNJournal..... prices have gone up alot. Last year they were selling on IDNF for $200-500. Now the good ones are selling for mid $x,xxx minimum with it predicting to soon go to $XX,XXX and higher. Its a great investment to turn a $7 domain into something like this. I don't get this kind of return at the bank.

 

[acronym007]

Lets use Japanese for example. Check DNJournal..... prices have gone up alot. Last year they were selling on IDNF for $200-500. Now the good ones are selling for mid $x,xxx minimum with it predicting to soon go to $XX,XXX and higher. Its a great investment to turn a $7 domain into something like this. I don't get this kind of return at the bank.

That's true for some, but a select few just like .mobi, it's only a select few. I want to see real development and real long term growth before I am conviced I made a wise choice but believe me I hope it does well.... LOL. Cheers,

Acro

 

[silhouette]

But I will tell you this: the ultimate junk domain would have two dashes, IDN char set and end in .mobi :-D

hiya...:biggrin:
You/your sig. never fail to amuse me, after .mobi comes idns.. what's next?

 

[David G]

ICANN warns against the premature use of non-English Web addresses...The Boston Globe, November 1, 2006: At a U.N. organized conference on the future of the Internet, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers ("ICANN") warned that the use of non-Latin letters in domain names could "permanently break the Internet." As globalization has increased access to the Internet, so too has pressure to develop non-English domain name suffixes. Amidst frustration among non-English speaking countries who feel ICANN is moving too slowly in the development of such domain suffixes, China as well as an Arabic consortium have begun testing their own Chinese and Arabic suffixes. With over 6,000 languages in the world, the potential for Internet fragmentation through individual countries adopting separate language based systems could result in the undermining of the Internet's usefulness. The end result would be that Internet users in China would find themselves at a different website than Internet users in America, despite typing in an identical domain name. Moreover, concerns of trademark infringement and the potential for elaborate "phishing" schemes also top the list of concerns over the development of non-English domains. However, several African delegates argue that the usefulness of the Internet is already in jeopardy if users cannot communicate through it using their native languages. ICANN plans on testing the use of entire domain names in foreign languages later on this year.

 

[burnsinternet]

Does everyone post that same, tired article without actually reading it? Just curious.

 

[DNWizardX9]

ICANN warns against the premature use of non-English Web addresses...The Boston Globe, November 1, 2006: At a U.N. organized conference on the future of the Internet, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers ("ICANN") warned that the use of non-Latin letters in domain names could "permanently break the Internet." As globalization has increased access to the Internet, so too has pressure to develop non-English domain name suffixes. Amidst frustration among non-English speaking countries who feel ICANN is moving too slowly in the development of such domain suffixes, China as well as an Arabic consortium have begun testing their own Chinese and Arabic suffixes. With over 6,000 languages in the world, the potential for Internet fragmentation through individual countries adopting separate language based systems could result in the undermining of the Internet's usefulness. The end result would be that Internet users in China would find themselves at a different website than Internet users in America, despite typing in an identical domain name. Moreover, concerns of trademark infringement and the potential for elaborate "phishing" schemes also top the list of concerns over the development of non-English domains. However, several African delegates argue that the usefulness of the Internet is already in jeopardy if users cannot communicate through it using their native languages. ICANN plans on testing the use of entire domain names in foreign languages later on this year.

Lies. You misread it.
Read the article.

They are saying if they don't go FASTER with IDN development they will piss off other nations.

IDN is key

 

[Alphamale]

...Send me a PM with your phone number if you really want to discuss things....

Acro,

You sure do make a thread interesting.

I'm probably one of the biggest investors in IDN $ wise, so what do I think?

You're probably expecting me to try and sell you a "IDN's rulez" t-shirt or something right?

Not at all. I see IDN's as a gamble, and a gamble worth taking, the potential reward out weighs the risk in my opinion.

Will they succeed? Don't know
Will they be a failure? Don't know

Anyone sitting on this thread saying you're a fool for investing in IDN's is a fool.

Anyone sitting on this thread saying they are millionaires in the making is also a fool.

Let the traffic be the judge. And the clock starts ticking from IE7 release, I give it 2 years. Then we'll see.

and Acro, check your PM's. Give me a call if you want to have a grown up discussion - I won't preach either way.

or you can just flame this noob. It's your call - literally.

 

[touchring]

In terms of actually being used in the real world, IDNs will succeed in major languages - that might exclude GREEK, sorry. Maybe that's why acro can't understand why IDNs will work. Greece is too small, and follows America and English.

Go to Tokyo, go to Shanghai, go to Seoul, and the people there are confident of using their own language. English is used only to speak to foriegners.

The 21st century belongs to North East Asia. Anglo-American dominance will be over by the 2050. Most of us here might still be alive then.

Mark my words....

Last, when i bet on IDNs, i bet on the future, not because of the present.

 

[Theo]

Actually Greek Internet users have a long history of use that predates the commercialization of the Internet. What hasn't expanded, due to infrastructure limitations, is high speed Internet access via cable (fiberoptics). DSL, or copper-based Internet access is doubling in usage every 3 months since the monopolies of the telephony carrier expired.

Greeks simply understand that English is the language of the Internet. We are even being accused for years for "butchering" our own language via the use of Greeklish, that is, writing Greek words phonetically in Latin characters.

That's the *only* reason IDNs in Greek won't ever produce any real traffic.

 

[touchring]

The language of the Internet? You've got competition.

Biggest Domain forums (Today):

English ("international language") - DNF - Threads: 175,948, Posts: 929,376
Chinese - Eachnic - Threads: 105,147, Posts: 794,095

And Chinese internet population is currently only 10% of the population. Might reach 30% in just another 10-15 years? That's 330 million Internet users. The progress is accelerating, even as a developing economy, it is sweeping the world stage...

in just 20-25 years time, you got half the world's entire internet population using a common mother tongue, and the rest of the world a mix of different languages, and you still bet on English??

 

[IDNebook.com]

I like to see some of these doubters answers some simple questions !


1. If ICANN and Microsoft were Japanese companies what tune would you be singing ?

2. Then tell me how excited you would be when you find out many years later you can now access websites "domains" in English ? for example you been tying in 日本語.com for 5 years to access DNForum.com , Now because of IE7 you can type in DNForums.com HIP-HIP-Hooray !

3. Why are companies using IDN's ?

4. Why are Big Registars in on IDN's ?

5. Why does Bill Gates own IDN's ?

6. Why did Adam Dickner aka Dot Com God - Buy over 5 thousand of them ?

7. Have you REGd a Domain in the last couple of months with a overture over 50k or even 25k or even 10k ? and not in dot mobi or any other corny ext.


8. Explain to me why so many people think that everybody wants to use english to navigate the web ?

When the Fact is

Total number of users with European languages (excluding English): 276 million

Total number of users with Asian languages (excluding English): 241 million

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_internet_usage

9. Then tell me why google has spent millions change there algorithm to Index IDN's ?

10. Do you expect natives to reffer to "IDN's" as IDNs or just domains or websites ?

:welcome: to the Club

 

[Theo]

1. Hypothetical question - unworthy of an answer.
2. See #1
3. Because they can. Doesn't mean it's the trend.
4. Because they make money out of suckers.
5. He has money to waste.
6. He had money to spare - one takes their risk.
7. I jumped into the domain registration business game quite a long time ago. Not waiting on new "trends" to make money.
8. Languages spoken is not an indication about how Internet is being used.
9. Google is the next Big Brother; but don't get me started there because this will be another lengthy thread.
10. Either way, they are domains in non-English/Latin characters.

 

[IDNebook.com]

1. Hypothetical question - unworthy of an answer.
2. See #1

3. Because they can. Doesn't mean it's the trend.

6. He had money to spare - one takes their risk.

8. Languages spoken is not an indication about how Internet is being used.

10. Either way, they are domains in non-English/Latin characters

1. Hypothetical question - unworthy of an answer.
2. See #1

You rather put yourself in Tap Dancing shoes then the Natives shoes ?
If you are going to answer the questions why dont you try

3. Because they can. Doesn't mean it's the trend.

Wasnt the trend because there was not enough wide spread browser support

6. He had money to spare - one takes their risk.

He doenst get the any credit for seing a possible lucrative opportunity or is your Blurred vision the answer for him


8. Languages spoken is not an indication about how Internet is being used.

Maybe you need to take a look at other Overtures besides the U.S buddy !

10. Either way, they are domains in non-English/Latin characters.

Either way , Check NON U.S Overtures they dont search in english , but according to you they will preffer the names to stay in a language they dont navigate in.

 

[bwhhisc]

E-Book- no worries about those that don't quite see the possiblities...time will prove what the "customers" want.

There is no doubt that many, if not most people will want and use URLs in their own native language, especially if they don't speak any English.

There is no doubt that advertisers worldwide will want to advertise internet sites in their own native languages. Duh!

And they can still keep their ascii addresses as well for all those that just can't bear to give up their English language use of urls, even if their customers don't know what the f*** the english (url) word means!