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Originally posted by safesys ... More surprised by the .org, .tv and .cc stats.

That could easily be a statistical anomaly caused by small sample numbers involved.

Just by coincidence or luck 9 of 10 org's tv's or cc'c may be working but if it was say 1,000 sample size it would be much more valid results.

Conversely, the com number may be small due to the very large sample size. But not positive about this.
 
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Interesting thread, I'm in the office right now, will reply tonight.

RacerX, this thread is about .info (an A root gTLD), not New.Net. Let's keep it level.
 

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Actually I am not surprised by the .tv. stats. What the numbers say is that .tv is not an extension liked by speculators, and consequently it has a high end user component. As to why price and the fact that many of the prime generic domain have little equity in them because of high registration fees.

That is not to say the extension does not have value. I mean casino.tv has attraced a $500,000 a year registration fee, that compares well with many a .com.
 
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RacerX, why don't you hop off the sausage already?

The thread is about .info registrations not New.net.

Are we clear?
 

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Originally posted by Tee
Meanwhile .com drops.

I posted this in another thread but thought it was appropriate here as well.

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Although there has been a downward trend, according to "State of the Domain, Q2 2002" available at sotd.info (SnapNames), registrations are again increasing.

"July's numbers saw CNO (COM/NET/ORG) file growth for the first time since Q3 2001"

Growth was 129,419 names

I would bet that most of these names were .com registrations
 

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I would bet that most of these names were .com registrations


And many of these choice acquisitions seem to have been posted at DNF for appraisal.

Miles

P.S. Not to be taken as an endorsement for the new extensions, which I believe, for reasons I've posted before, have little real utility, and not nearly enough marketing momentum.
 

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Originally posted by Tee
why don't you hop off the sausage already?

LOL, never heard that phrase before.
 

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Originally posted by Namethink



And many of these choice acquisitions seem to have been posted at DNF for appraisal.

Miles

P.S. Not to be taken as an endorsement for the new extensions, which I believe, for reasons I've posted before, have little real utility, and not nearly enough marketing momentum.

I've made a few "choice acquisitions" I would rather forget about. Overall though domains have been a better investment than the S&P 500, especially this year.
 

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I think .info will come to be a very strong rival to .com-- but the US will be the last to catch on to it.

The US is stuck in its .com ways-- in some ways this is a result of being the world's most developed Internet market: the .com habit is already formed. The flash-in-the-pan vanity TLDs (.cc, .tv, .ws, which were all marketed and used only in the US) have done their damage as well-- now too many people equate the new gTLDs as being simply "vanity, round 2".

But in the European and Asian markets where the Internet population is still rapidly growing, .info is just as intuitive as .com for new users. In fact, "info" is almost universally understood internationally-- "com" for "commerce" is not even commonly used in English.

It's no fluke that in the latest SOTD Schlund (the large German registrar) is a strong #2 for .info regs, with almost as many as #1 Verisign. (In comparison, Schlund is #12 for CNO).

This trend is also reflected in the aftermarket: .Info names ARE selling!! ....but nearly all of the buyers are non-US. This inherently means that values are a bit lower (European domain values are generally a bit lower, even for .com).

Here are some of Sedo's recent .info sales values, for those who are interested:

(Confidential 3-letter acronym).info: 11,600 euros
Oase.info ("oasis"): 6000 euros
Videos.info: 4000 euros
Beach.info: 2650 euros
basel.info: 2500 euros
angst.info: 1200 euros
... and many others of lesser value.

As for the question of usage, DomeBase has an excellent report on his site titled "Where does .INFO go?" The link is:
http://www.domebase.com/Infolist.htm

It's a model of the kind of excellent research domain speculators should arm themselves with when deciding where to invest.


Cheers,
~Matthew
Sedo.co.uk
 

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For it to be a true rival, surely one would expect to see it growing not falling at such an early stage?

Faced with a decline in daily registration volume to 632 per day for global registration volume (thats europe, asia AND america) I just don't see how your argument can hold water so I'm curious as to what you are actually basing your argument on as its clearly not based on the objective data reflected in the number of registrations.

With regards the sales values you've listed, those are at a level that is a fraction of the sales once would expect in .com - so again I can't see how they support the notion of .info building to become a "strong rival".
 

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Originally posted by safesys
For it to be a true rival, surely one would expect to see it growing not falling at such an early stage?

Faced with a decline in daily registration volume to 632 per day for global registration volume (thats europe, asia AND america) I just don't see how your argument can hold water so I'm curious as to what you are actually basing your argument on as its clearly not based on the objective data reflected in the number of registrations.

With regards the sales values you've listed, those are at a level that is a fraction of the sales once would expect in .com - so again I can't see how they support the notion of .info building to become a "strong rival".

Of course, "rival" does not necessarily mean surpass. And here, I think that .info will of course not surpass .com in usage and definitely not in sales values

What I DO think is that 2-3 years from now in many countries it will be perfectly natural to type in a .info address when looking for obviously informational sites, like weather.info, election.info, traffic.info, health.info, etc.

Perhaps I'm an optimist (better an optimist and wrong...), but for the proper future international growth of the Internet, it seems almost inevitable that sites will eventually get themselves in order: That is, .nets for net-services, .org for non-profits, .info for information, etc. is a lot more sustainable than only two choices: 1) .com (good), or 2) Anything else (obscurity).

Consider that less than 10% of the world's population is currently online-- where are the new guys going to go?

Poor introductory stats don't necessarily condemm .info or any of the other gTLDs: It's a bad market right now, so all the things needed to build momentum-- popular press, new investment, some brave bioneers-- are missing. (Yes, by contrast CNO is recovering, but this is an easier process than building something anew...)

The transition is likely to be slow and happen first in those countries where many new people are still coming online. Think of Japan-- the new .jp extension was successful despite the "habit" of .co.jp and other alternatives because Japan's "late start" on the net meant that many new people were still coming online, and they accepted the logic of .jp.

Another example: For the first time ever, Sedo's very successful German site is on track to sell more .info's than .com's. Of course, both are distant seconds to .de, but the point is that *where the .com habit is not firmly ingrained, .info makes good sense*.

Finally, I don't think .info values (or those of any other TLD, for that matter), will ever approach the .com days of glory. "Informative" should naturally sell for less than "commercial". Add in the expanded supply and the fact that many .info buyers are in less developed Internet markets and it's clear why .info values lag even today's .com values.


~Matthew
 

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I will not be surprised when .info becomes used every day in European countries.

It will be interesting to see us "import" the widespread use instead of us simply "exporting" .com.

Example: For a period of a few years starting five years ago-- when businesses were just beginning to go online in Finland-- almost all of them used .net! Why? "Com" didn't make sense to most people and .net (almost as universal as the term "internet") seemed more practical and memorable in advertising. Of course now they've switched to .com and .fi... .com being an imported American standard.
 

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With the global .info reges declining as they are, where is the momentum for it to get widespread use and recongition in europe or anywhere else?
 
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Your sample safesys is so small. Its during the month of august. My business has slowed down in a similar fashion as well last month.

Can you provide stats for the past 3 months?

.Com has been collapsing for a while now.

Just lost another 1,000 names.


Do you really believe info will be declining in october?

Care to wager on it?

Show us the past siz months and show us the steady decline.
Do you realize info is growing with still many falsely regged tm names not released?
 

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Tee, in case you forgot - on the 8th there were 8000 .com net additions - and on the 9th 1,000 net deletions.

8000 - 1000 = 7000 net additions.

But like snoopy said, its kind of pointless to base an argument on a single days activity (or 2 for that matter).
 

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Originally posted by Tee
Your sample safesys is so small. Its during the month of august. My business has slowed down in a similar fashion as well last month.


I'm not sure about the seasonality argument, escpecially since .com numbers grew over the exact same time period.
 
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"With the global .info reges declining as they are, where is the momentum for it to get widespread use and recongition in europe or anywhere else?"


Recognition comes from use, not from velocity of registrations.

What matters is use and again, .info is being used, here and internationally.

You'll get the "velocity" one some resales happen - the same thing that brought on most of the .com registations.

Again your sample of one month is pathetic (especially this particular period) and would be laughed at in any statistics class.
 
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