closed KyleChandler.com

[condoleezza]

KyleChandler.com

$18,000 estibot valuation.

Will make a brilliant site for Kyle Chandler fans

Any idea of value please?

Kind regards

 

[DNP]

$0 from the reseller point. More if somobody willing to pay...

 

[goodguyy]

$0 for most . Closer to $18 than $18K. Also not cool to reg/buy actors names to sell in my opinion.

 

[condoleezza]

Thanks for your opinions guys. Never had any problem selling them as long as they are advertised as a fans site. Here are a few i have sold within the last couple of weeks with plenty of bidders

https://www.sedo.co.uk/auction/auct...id=56917&tracked=1&partnerid=32392&language=e

http://www.sedo.nl/auction/auction_...tion_id=56918&tracked=&partnerid=&language=nl

 

[goodguyy]

Well just saying the rule is if the name makes money IE selling it then it isnt a fan site anymore and is infringing on the persons name. Fan sites are not supposed to be sold for profit. and you dont buy these people names to make fan sites, , you resell them for a profit .Thats not the definition of a fan site. Buying or regging a famous persons name and then selling is not a fan site. Just my opinion but noticed you got alot of infringing names of famous people ,wow. Better be carefull. Again just my opinion.

 

[condoleezza]

Well just saying the rule is if the name makes money IE selling it then it isnt a fan site anymore and is infringing on the persons name. Fan sites are not supposed to be sold for profit. and you dont buy these people names to make fan sites, , you resell them for a profit .Thats not the definition of a fan site. Buying or regging a famous persons name and then selling is not a fan site. Just my opinion but noticed you got alot of infringing names of famous people ,wow. Better be carefull. Again just my opinion.

Hi goodguyy,

Do you think godaddy a Scottsdale-based registrar, who registered 9,803 Jackson-related Web names between 1 p.m. Thursday, the time Jackson was taken to the hospital, and 1 p.m. today, made a profit, and why do you think the 9,803 domain buyers bought them? profit maybe?

Kind regards

 

[goodguyy]

They are for profit ( thought none of them will sell) and most of them are in the wrong in doing it and are being told so on apprasials sites. Its called ethics. makign money off of peoples names are unethical. Read some of the M Jackson name apprasials at NamePros. there being ripped for regging his name. Just becasue someone else cybersquats dosent mean its ok to do. If 9,800 people jumped off the brooklyn bridge would you think it was ok also. Becasue everyone else is TM infringing does not make it right. Again this is only my opinion. I dont speak for anyone but myself.

 

[condoleezza]

They are for profit ( thought none of them will sell) and most of them are in the wrong in doing it and are being told so on apprasials sites. Its called ethics. makign money off of peoples names are unethical. Read some of the M Jackson name apprasials at NamePros. there being ripped for regging his name. Just becasue someone else cybersquats dosent mean its ok to do. If 9,800 people jumped off the brooklyn bridge would you think it was ok also. Becasue everyone else is TM infringing does not make it right. Again this is only my opinion. I dont speak for anyone but myself.

I appreciate your opinion so can you answer these 2 questions directly please?

1. Why it is it ok for the registrars to make profit?

2. Why it ok for people like sedo to make profit?

As an example, there is currently the domain name toyotahybrid.com in live sedo auction making $20,000 which sedo will get 10% of. We all know this is a blatant TM but it goes on and lots of people/registrars/resellers are making lots of money while the man in the street is always being told not to register this domain and that domain, and he is cybersquating and made to feel guilty, while all the big players are filling their boots. Surely the 'rules' as you quote should be the same for everyone!!

Kind regards

 

[goodguyy]

That would be like blaming the Gun makers for gun deaths. Blaming the Car companys for a car accident. they know that there are 400 car deaths a day . Thats a ridiculous argument if thats what your saying , the registrars are doing it so its ok ?.

they dont make you reg a TM Infringing name. Domainers go there and reg TM names , the Registrar does not make them do it. the individual has his own mind. What are we children. We shouldnt need the registrars to police us. if your an adult ( I dont mean you personally) you should know better then to reg something that is not right. And the registrars cant check every name they sell for TM Infringment. that would be impossible .In a perfect world that would happen but in a perfect world they can also tell if the person they sell a bat to is going to use it for violence. just not possible. Hope that answered you question. Again I am just expressing my opinion so i really dont feel like going on and on about this. I will just wish ya best of luck with those names.

 

[condoleezza]

That would be like blaming the Gun makers for gun deaths. Blaming the Car companys for a car accident. they know that there are 400 car deaths a day . Thats a ridiculous argument if thats what your saying , the registrars are doing it so its ok ?.

they dont make you reg a TM Infringing name. Domainers go there and reg TM names , the Registrar does not make them do it. the individual has his own mind. What are we children. We shouldnt need the registrars to police us. if your an adult ( I dont mean you personally) you should know better then to reg something that is not right. And the registrars cant check every name they sell for TM Infringment. that would be impossible .In a perfect world that would happen but in a perfect world they can also tell if the person they sell a bat to is going to use it for violence. just not possible. Hope that answered you question. Again I am just expressing my opinion so i really dont feel like going on and on about this. I will just wish ya best of luck with those names.

Hi again goodguyy,

thanks again for your comments, although i fail to agree.

If you could comment on the other question that would be appreciated.

Why is it ok for companys such as sedo to make profit on trademarks and famous peoples names?

Kind regards

 

[goodguyy]

Straight from the aggrement you sign with SEDO


As the provider of an international marketplace for the purchase and sale of domain names and websites, please note that Sedo is not in a position to arbitrate intellectual property (IP) disputes between domain name owners and trademark owners. As stated in our User Agreement, the domain name owners themselves are responsible for the domain names they list for sale or park with Sedo.

Again there are million of domains on there. they cant check them for TM issues BUT if a TM holder comes to Sedo they will remove the name. They are doing what they can . And sure I agree they should do more BUT in the end its not there job to tell someone to not cybersquat. again you cant blame the Ski makers for Ski related accidents. Its that simple. Alot of people put there head in the sand and then say "Well Sedo let me sell it" , a judge in a court of law wouldnt even listen to that. We are responsible for our own actions. Sedo is not a domain cop.

And again I rather just get out of this conversation. I am just repeating myself and I think you got the point. And again best of luck.

 

[condoleezza]

Straight from the aggrement you sign with SEDO


As the provider of an international marketplace for the purchase and sale of domain names and websites, please note that Sedo is not in a position to arbitrate intellectual property (IP) disputes between domain name owners and trademark owners. As stated in our User Agreement, the domain name owners themselves are responsible for the domain names they list for sale or park with Sedo.

Again there are million of domains on there. they cant check them for TM issues BUT if a TM holder comes to Sedo they will remove the name. They are doing what they can . And sure I agree they should do more BUT in the end its not there job to tell someone to not cybersquat. again you cant blame the Ski makers for Ski related accidents. Its that simple. Alot of people put there head in the sand and then say "Well Sedo let me sell it" , a judge in a court of law wouldnt even listen to that. We are responsible for our own actions. Sedo is not a domain cop.

And again I rather just get out of this conversation. I am just repeating myself and I think you got the point. And again best of luck.

Thanks for your reply although i strongly disagree.

When sedo have the domain name Toyotahybrid.com in a current live auction with a $20,000 bid and they fail to notice that there is a TM issue then they must all be blind or in denial. The auction has already been running for 5 days with 2 days to go and it is the second highest priced auction they have running. For some reason they have domains like excitingwork.com in the featured live auction section with a bid of 60 euros yet the $20,000 bid on Toyotahybrid.com is not even on the front page. Lets be fair here, if everyone at sedo in Germany, America and the UK offices have not noticed the TM issue with this domain then god help us all.

No need to reply. Thanks again for your opinion.

Kind regards and best wishes

George

 

[Fatbat]

Thanks for your reply although i strongly disagree.

When sedo have the domain name Toyotahybrid.com in a current live auction with a $20,000 bid and they fail to notice that there is a TM issue then they must all be blind or in denial. The auction has already been running for 5 days with 2 days to go and it is the second highest priced auction they have running. For some reason they have domains like excitingwork.com in the featured live auction section with a bid of 60 euros yet the $20,000 bid on Toyotahybrid.com is not even on the front page. Lets be fair here, if everyone at sedo in Germany, America and the UK offices have not noticed the TM issue with this domain then god help us all.

No need to reply. Thanks again for your opinion.

Kind regards and best wishes

George

What part of the Sedo disclaimer didn't you understand? It's not up to them to dispute trademarks. If the trademark holder comes to them then they will remove the content. This is the same for several outlets of copyright material that I can think of (Youtube for example).

The fact of the matter is that you are squatting on this name. If the rightful owner wants to challenge you then you will most likely lose the domain, as would any potential buyer, making the domain worth $0 to anyone not willing to take such a risk. I'm not saying there aren't people out there prepared to do that, but in this venue most people are going to say $0.

You can sit there strongly disagreeing all you like, but that's how it is and any argument to the contrary is a waste of time.

 

[Bionic]

a couple points,

Kyle Chandler doesn't seem to want the domain, so seems a waste not to use it

Some companies and people accept fan sites, it can build popularity

Why can't you sell or profit from a fan site?
ok putting a sales price on a domain can be used to say you don't have
legitimate interest but that on it's own doesn't mean much.

 

[BooYah]

I agree with Goodguyy!

Cyber squatting or flipping peoples names is just plain unethical behavior.

Anything for money and that's a shame.

 

[condoleezza]

Thanks Bionic for not jumping on the bandwagon. It is always easy for others to criticise and condemn people for what they feel is fair game.

I wonder how many of the many self defined ethical domainers in the forums was offered michaeljackson.com today for reg fee would decline the offer on ethical grounds!!

Kind regards

a couple points,

Kyle Chandler doesn't seem to want the domain, so seems a waste not to use it

Some companies and people accept fan sites, it can build popularity

Why can't you sell or profit from a fan site?
ok putting a sales price on a domain can be used to say you don't have
legitimate interest but that on it's own doesn't mean much.

 

[goodguyy]

Condelezza i am not condeming you , I was just expressing my opinion. Thats why I didnt want to keep posting my opinion. If I kept repeating it it would appear I was doing that and I was just giving my and only my opinion.

But on the two topics

If M Jackson name was reg fee and Kyle Chandler doesn't seem to want the domain, so seems a waste not to use it as Bionic posted. ( By the way , the bionic man was my favorite show as a child) that is the same exact excuse I always see on Judge Judy. Someone steals something from someone and then the excuse is :Well they didnt need it , and I did so I took it" . Just becasue someone doesnt need something does not make it right to take something . If thats the case I might was well take some of your domains you havent done anything with in years. "You look like you dont need them".
Wrong is wrong. I wouldnt take MichealJackson.com for free. Why would I take something I know it wrong. That would be like if someone said , heres a free car I stole. I would run as fast as I can. Again wrong is still wrong no matter what ya do to justify it.

 

[condoleezza]

Steve Austin. I remember him also. $6m also comes to mind.

Anyway, my whole point is that i did not steel it and i did not get it for free. It was up for sale and i bought it. Anyine else could have bought it, including Chandler, but they decided not to. So i bought it and i am advertising it for sale to anyone who wants it. Another domain buyer, chandler or a chandler fan or fan site. It is up for auction at $60, which is less than i paid for it. I can't force anyone to buy it, but at least the opportunity is there to do so if they wish. If i make a profit from someone who wants the domain more than i do then thats all well and good in my eyes, and if no one wants it then i will lose what i paid for it. To me, thats fair and equal. If i was trying to hold chandler to some sort of enormous profit, or i bought it with that intent, then yes i would agree it would be cybersquatting and unethical. There maybe other less know kyle chandlers out there who would love to own the domain. I trust you will appreciate more where i am coming from now and i will end with good luck with your dealings and kind regards.

George

Condelezza i am not condeming you , I was just expressing my opinion. Thats why I didnt want to keep posting my opinion. If I kept repeating it it would appear I was doing that and I was just giving my and only my opinion.

But on the two topics

If M Jackson name was reg fee and Kyle Chandler doesn't seem to want the domain, so seems a waste not to use it as Bionic posted. ( By the way , the bionic man was my favorite show as a child) that is the same exact excuse I always see on Judge Judy. Someone steals something from someone and then the excuse is :Well they didnt need it , and I did so I took it" . Just becasue someone doesnt need something does not make it right to take something . If thats the case I might was well take some of your domains you havent done anything with in years. "You look like you dont need them".
Wrong is wrong. I wouldnt take MichealJackson.com for free. Why would I take something I know it wrong. That would be like if someone said , heres a free car I stole. I would run as fast as I can. Again wrong is still wrong no matter what ya do to justify it.

 

[Bionic]

Cyber squatting or flipping peoples names is just plain unethical behavior.

If you owned johnsmith.com and some b grade actor named John Smith was in a movie are you now a thief? What about kylechandlerfans.com can you put a website on that?