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my reason to refuse WLS.

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miloman

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I dislike WLS because of these reasons:

* We are all even now, WLS tips the scale towards money.
* The big boys have control now, consider their control with WLS

-- We are all even now, WLS tips the scale towards money.
Everytime a domain drops, you and I both have equal
chance of getting it. That's a fact. Nobody can reserve the
domains, it's first come, first serve.

WLS now puts the control where the money is. If you have
millions you are probably for WLS because you can have further
control.

WLS is designed to fatten the pockets of Verisign and allow
control of the domain market to a few large companies.

WLS is designed to take out the small guys!

-- The big boys have control now, consider their control with WLS.
Initially WLS will be great. We will have probably 30-45 days
before the "big boys" change their system and update their
strategies.

Maybe you're pissed off right now that they grabbed a few
good domains that you wanted. Well it will get worse with WLS.
WLS guarantees the big boys will get the domain.

These "big boys" are good. They are taking domains everyday
because they are FIRST, but the fact of the matter is we all
have even chance at the domains. The current system is First come, first serve. WLS is first come first serve but it costs more and guarantees success. Now as a small guy I get very
worried.

Trust me, the big boys right now are probably complaining
about WLS because it will cost them more money to get the domains, but when it comes about they will move to an Island and
live in peace because their future is paved. They guarantee that the expired domains go directly to them.

--Conclusion
WLS will make a few guys richer and let a few guys control
the market. Too bad the S.E.C didn't oversee the domain market.

The domain market is fair now, it will be so one-sided when WLS comes around.

Enjoy your short-lived time small guys....
 
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Sorry I don't see how the "big boys" will have an advantage over the "small boys".
Its funny but every strong opposition I have read or come accross is either a "big boy" or small boy who thinks he is a "big boy"
So miloman, what are you?
A "big boy" or one who thinks he is a "big boy" ?

Me? I am a "small boy" who knows he is a "small boy"
:)
 

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Do they "big boys" get most of the domains now?
Yes.
Do they have an advantage right now?
No.
Will WLS give them an advantage..
Yes.

I'm not a "big boy". When I reference "big boys" it's to point
at UltSearch and friends...

You're obviously offended by my reference to "big boys".
Does it piss you off they are kicking your ass everyday and
when WLS comes in they will kick you further? I know it
does for me.

I am a small boy and will be a kid when WLS comes to play.

Vote for WLS Nic, put your own foot up your ass.

*laugh*. You were really upset by my "big boys" reference..

Seeya.
 

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First off, I must ask you to watch your language...
Vote for WLS Nic, put your own foot up your ass.
(others have been banned from here for much less offensive things)

Second have some repect for members that have been here a while longer than you have...
You may not be a newbie in the domain world but you are in here.

Thirdly, I am not at all "upset by your "big boys" reference.."
What made you think that.. I was mearly expressing my opinion.
(did you hear me bang my keyboard ? :confused: )
and i know what you meant by "Big boys" thats obvious !

and now to add to your comments :

Do they "big boys" get most of the domains now?
you said yes i say YES
Do they have an advantage right now?
you said no i say YES
Will WLS give them an advantage..
you said yes i say NO

I want you to explain to me how you think that the "big boys" (notice, I did not bang the keyboard :) ) will have an advantage with WLS.

Here is a SIMPLE example for you:

Lets say you find a domain (i.e example.com thats about to expire or drop) and I get first to the WLS... If the Original owner does not renew, THEN THERE IS NO CHANCE ANYONE (not the boogie man, not the big boys, not even bill gates) WILL GET THAT DOMAIN BUT ME.

So I fail to see how thats anyone else's advantage but mine.

Originally posted by miloman

Does it piss you off they are kicking your ass everyday and
when WLS comes in they will kick you further?

No its does not piss me off. Never did, but soon the tables will turn and i Bet you they will be pissed.

You see the domain drop game was nice when no one really knew about it, way before Snapnames and NW got big and famous.

NOW every Joe and Jane has a good idea of what a drop is and how to look for it. So, with the WLS (if they are first in line) they will get the domain they want.....AND THAT MY FRIEND IS WHY THE "BIG BOYS AND WANNA BE BIG BOYS" ARE PISSED .
ITS OPEN SEASON AND EVERYONE GETS A SHOT AT IT.
No scripts, no nothing, plain old FCFS (first come first served)

If you need any more help my office hours are 4-6pm Mon and Wed

Your home work is to reply and explain what makes you think the "big boys" will have an advatage with WLS"
you get extra credit if its double spaced
 

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Exclusive clubs and the expired domain game fiasco

Extracted from May 2002 Report,

"For higher prices, registrars are currently offering to a
few exclusive customers their own services to access
the registry for deleting names, and those services are
inescapably inferior. As just a few examples, there is
an American registrar who charges ten speculators
each $2500 per month for preferential access to VGRS,
plus registration fees; a Russian registrar and partner
who charge $669 for enhanced-access “membership,”
plus $100 registration fees; and a Korean registrar who
charges $237 per name registered through privileged
access— all of these charges far exceed the proposed
price for WLS, but the services provided in exchange
for these prices are far less effective and reliable
than the WLS, in addition to being only selectively
available."
 

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Here's a chance to flex your domain brain!

I am curious if there is anyone who actually has a good understanding of how the WLS will function. I understand the basic premise but am foggy on the details. Doesn't the WLS just push the name dropping game further back (similar to what snapnames does now)?
 

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Well.. imo its very simple.

WLS will be exactly what Snapnames is doing right now.
The ONLY difference is that, unlike Snapnames' poor results in getting most names (beaten by the koreans, the "big boys" etc.), WLS will work 100%.

The only problem you might have in not getting the domain (assuming your first in line for the specified service), is the actual original owner of the domain itself _renewal.
 

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Hey, anyone knows if WLS will apply only for names that have already expired?

If not, I can see the tons of money sitting in a Verisign vault from people WLSing everything from the Sex.com to Travel.com.

The before drop industry will really start thriving if this happens.
 

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I had considered this service before and now that I am posting it publicly i am sure it will show up. I guess the next sevice to come out will be a notification sevice to expiring name owners that their name are expiring and if they don't renew someone will use the WLS and grab their name!
 

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Hey, anyone knows if WLS will apply only for names that have already expired?

you are so much in favor of it and you don't even know how it's gonna work?

:)

it will apply to all names.
people will be buying subscriptions for sex.com and the like.
those domains will never drop
this will mean big $$ for verisign anyway

simple
 

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hahahaha

Let's all pool our funds and start a WLN(notification)S then :D
 

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Originally posted by DNbuy
I had considered this service before and now that I am posting it publicly i am sure it will show up. I guess the next sevice to come out will be a notification sevice to expiring name owners that their name are expiring and if they don't renew someone will use the WLS and grab their name!

It is also possible that Verisign will be the one to notify the domain holder that a WLS has been placed on their name, thereby encouraging them to not let their name expire. This helps Verisign slow the massive non-renewals that are occurring within the industry.

Read the following:
Bucharest Public Forum on 27 June 2002
http://www.icann.org/bucharest/captioning-afternoon-27jun02.htm#VeriSignWaitListingService
"It's basically a service whereby potential registrants that we call subscribers may purchase a subscription tied to a currently registered domain name in dot com and dot net only, not in dot org.

Read "Final Report of the Transfer Task Force on the WLS proposal"
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20020714.TFtransfer-WLS-report.html

"D. The WLS include a requirement that notice be provided by the Registry (through the registrar) to the existing registrant of a domain name when a WLS option is taken out against that registrant's domain name. {Notice} [Service not included in VS WLS proposal. The TF seeks comment on this]."

This would seem to answer mole's question as well.
 

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The many conflicts of interest inherant in the WLS will make it spawn many lawsuits should it be approved.

Verisign the registry gets $6 for every domain registered.

Verisign the registrar gets $29 for a domain renewal, writes a check? to it's registry division.

Verisign the WLS registry gets $35 for a domain grab, win or lose.

Verisign the WLS registrar gets $70 for a subscription - win or lose - and writes a check to it's registry division for the $35.


Can anyone look at this list and tell me where the most profit lies? It's simple - Verisign the WLS registrar sells subscriptions year after year on domains that never drop.

Second highest profit margin? Verisign the registry accepts WLS subscriptions from other registrars for names that never drop.

Why would a name ever drop now? It's certainly not in Verisign's best interest to let a domain drop and collect $6 when it's renewed...

-t
 

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WLS = SCAM ?

The one thing I am not totally clear on is...

at ANY time you can put a wls on a domain?
Here is the problem..

I have 3 million to play with..

I put WLS on nearly EVERY domain worth anything..= EVERYONE else automatically loses..

End of story...

Dont kid yourself...there individuals and Companies that will "pre" own every domain worth anything..FOREVER ! simply because they have the MONEY to control the destiny of the domains..

You'll NEVER get a top domain..NEVER ..simple as that..

Before you all that are in favor knee jerk me in the nuts..go read on WLS again..then read it again..and for good measure read it one more time...

BID
 

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BIDAWINNER, you've understood the simple idea I'm trying
to point out.

It tips the scales towards money. The "big boys" will own
everything.

Simple.

I don't understand why people are for it. Sure they might
get that ONE domain but it won't happen after a few months
when the big boys change their strategies.

It's a big scam... most small guys think it will help them but
it will really put them outta the domain business.
 

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Originally posted by bidawinner
Here is the problem..

I have 3 million to play with..

I put WLS on nearly EVERY domain worth anything..= EVERYONE else automatically loses..

End of story...

I doubt that there is a company out there crazy enough to spend 3 Million every year to reserve most of the good domain names via the WLS, not actually own them and not be able to profit from their use.

That would be a waste of money even for a stupid "dotcom" business model. May have been true in 1999 or 2000 but I think the industry has matured a bit.
 

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3 Million dollars is nothing to some of these companies.
Think again.

I doubt companies would cook the books but look at
the NYSE.

Companies are ruthless so do not put any doubt in front of
them.

Once the door is open to WLS it will never close. And you
will never beat them.

*NEVER*.
 

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Originally posted by miloman

Once the door is open to WLS it will never close. And you
will never beat them.


Who wants to beat anyone to collecting heaps of other people's rubbish? Don't these big boys realise that boom town is over?
 

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I guess they're too busy making money to realise there isn't any money in it anymore mole :)
 
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