Registrar sold my domain to someone else 35 after intial expiry date. What can i do?

[DomainsInc]

I have a domain that expired on March 8th, i contacted the registrar telling them i want to renew the domain on April 11th, at this point the domain still says its expiring on whois. They tell they are going to look into it, and i don't hear back from them until today and they tell me the domain has been sold and the only way i can get it back is to contact the person who bought it but like I said when i contacted them the first time, the domain was not in this other persons name. The domain never actually dropped, it was sold at their marketplace. I know places like tdnam and namejet will let you reclaim the domain for a certain period of time even after its been sold but these guys refuse to do that. What I want to know is, is there a set number of days I have before I totally lose rights to the domain? Only 35 days and it was sold and in someone elses name. I could always get the domain back via RGP at other registrars at this point. Is there anything I can do?

 

[katherine]

Is the registrar netsol ?
Usually a name at netsol is considered 'abandoned' after 35-36 days I think.
Unfortunately the practice of auctioning names by registrars defeats the whole purpose of RGP...

 

[DomainsInc]

Is the registrar netsol ?
Usually a name at netsol is considered 'abandoned' after 35-36 days I think.
Unfortunately the practice of auctioning names by registrars defeats the whole purpose of RGP...

No, its not netsol or godaddy. They say they give 21 days grace period in which you can renew but don't they have to give an additional 30 days RGP after that?

 

[Julio]

For those that don't know what does RGP stands for?

 

[DomainsInc]

For those that don't know what does RGP stands for?

Redemption Grade Period. Means you can still get the domain back for a fee.

 

[katherine]

No, its not netsol or godaddy. They say they give 21 days grace period in which you can renew but don't they have to give an additional 30 days RGP after that?

RGP applies to names that are sent to redemption, but the expired names that are auctioned and sold do not go through redemption in the first place... they do not drop either. That's the trick. Review the T&C carefully but I'm afraid there is little you can do :disappointed:

For those that don't know what does RGP stands for?

RGP
RGP stands for Redemption Grace Period. The Redemption Grace Period is a thirty (30) day period that begins after a registrar requests that the registry delete a domain name. The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) has required that registries implement this facility to allow the original registrants (domain name holders) to redeem a deleted name.

The reason for the introduction of the RGP process is to provide additional time to catch erroneous deletions before the name is made available for re-registration.

When a name enters RGP, it is removed from the zone file (if it was originally in the zone file). As a result, any Internet services served by the domain name will be disabled (e.g. e-mail or a Web site). The registrant must act IMMEDIATELY if he or she wants to keep the name.

 

[Theo]

Which is it, eNom? The grace period is 21 days after which it does go to Redemption and you'd pay a small but hefty fee to renew it.

 

[DomainsInc]

RGP applies to names that are sent to redemption, but the expired names that are auctioned and sold do not go through redemption in the first place... they do not drop either. That's the trick. Review the T&C carefully but I'm afraid there is little you can do :disappointed:


RGP
RGP stands for Redemption Grace Period. The Redemption Grace Period is a thirty (30) day period that begins after a registrar requests that the registry delete a domain name. The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) has required that registries implement this facility to allow the original registrants (domain name holders) to redeem a deleted name.

The reason for the introduction of the RGP process is to provide additional time to catch erroneous deletions before the name is made available for re-registration.

When a name enters RGP, it is removed from the zone file (if it was originally in the zone file). As a result, any Internet services served by the domain name will be disabled (e.g. e-mail or a Web site). The registrant must act IMMEDIATELY if he or she wants to keep the name.

If ICANN requires registrars to allow a 30 day RGP period after the inital 21 days the registrar says they provide, shouldn't I still be allowed to get the domain back? How can they get away without allowing RGP?

Which is it, eNom? The grace period is 21 days after which it does go to Redemption and you'd pay a small but hefty fee to renew it.

No, its not enom. I will name the registrar if i don't get results but the domain is already in someone elses name. It seems I was denied a redemption grace period. I have no problems paying the RGP fee but they tell me the only way to get the domain back is to negotiate with the person who nows owns it. They seem to really just want me to go away. Thet keep closing the ticket after every time they reply.

 

[Theo]

Well, if the domain changed hands already, there is little you can do other than seek legal advice and potentially follow a litigation route.

 

[JMJ]

I think ICANN's rules have pretty much become useless due to legal technicalities. You see the core registries require the registrars to pay for your name the day it expires and get a refund if they delete. So they are using this as technical ownership. Pretty much all of them have deals with pre-release services now and they all pretty much transfer the name it is back ordered somewhere around the end of the RGP (30 days) from expiry to the new owner.

 

[Theo]

JMJ nailed it.

Also, this process allows for this paradox: if you win an expired (pre-released, not dropped) domain at one of these backorder companies, should you transfer it to another registrar before 45 days pass the transfer does not add another year.

 

[DomainsInc]

Well I guess I'll have to go over the terms and see what they state as I was clearly denied any kind of RGP. Also another domain i have expiring with them is currently in RGP right now even though it expired a week earlier than the domain that was sold. So even though i emailed them saying i wanted to renew the domain before it was in someone elses hands I don't have much recourse? Pretty convenient of them to wait until the domain was sold for them to get back to me.

 

[DomainBELL]

sorry to hear this happened to you...

I don't use them...
and have never had anything like this happen to me...

I hate it when misfortune touches a fellow domainer...

Best of Luck to you in the future...
(renew EARLY - or set on AUTO-RENEW)

~DomainBELL (Patricia)

 

[Deleted member 5660]

I think ICANN's rules have pretty much become useless due to legal technicalities.

More like corruption at ICANN.

 

[DomainsInc]

sorry to hear this happened to you...

I don't use them...
and have never had anything like this happen to me...

I hate it when misfortune touches a fellow domainer...

Best of Luck to you in the future...
(renew EARLY - or set on AUTO-RENEW)

~DomainBELL (Patricia)

The only reason i let it go so long in the first place is that other domains i was letting expire remained in my account for at least 45 days. When this happened i also had a domain still in my account that had expired on feb 27th. Though when i pointed this out, the domain quickly disappeared. I guess because this domain was decent (paid $700 for it) they wanted to sell it and didn't go through the usual process for deletion. Seems pretty scummy to me. Haven't there been cases with Namejet or Tdnam where domains were sold to someone else and then the previous owner came back and reclaimed them?

 

[jdk]

I'd seek a lawyer to see what your options are. Sorry to hear this has happened to you. This is why names I plan on keeping I have registered for 2-3 years in the future to prevent them expiring.

 

[Domainator]

Who is the registrar?

Opinions are almost useless with out knowing the name and get field input. Sorry you had the problem. Happened to me a while back (I missed the 29 days at enom and paid the hefty fee)...

 

[DomainsInc]

Who is the registrar?

Opinions are almost useless with out knowing the name and get field input. Sorry you had the problem. Happened to me a while back (I missed the 29 days at enom and paid the hefty fee)...

Well like i said i will name the registrar if i don't get results. I have no problem paying the hefty fee, which would be $175 but i was never given that option. Even when I was told "we'll look into it", I'm sure they knew they could of gotten it back for me but was more profitable to sell it, so they waited until it was sold before getting back to me.

Can anyone recommend a lawyer for this kind of case?