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What sweet revenge this is going to be for the owner of Snapnames in that their former employee left to start Pool.com (taking all his knowledge with him) from what I understand and ended up taking almost all the business away from Snap. Now the tables are turned and Pool may go down the tube thanks to Snapnames/NetSol partnership (and Tucows).

Think about it, assuming NetSol and Tucows control estimated (my guess) 85% or more of all the good and valuable drops how can other drop firms survive feeding off of the scraps laying on the ocean bottom?
 

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First of all this thread should have been in Advertising and Related offers. If it was meant as a purley informational thread for the benefit of domain speculatiors, why has the thread's author not replied to the questions posed?

Blink said:
Good for pool.

My prediction is that the .com game for smaller players is over.
Domains will fetch now more than before. SnapNames will probably get more press attention which will likely attract first of all new end-user players tht will rise the prices even higher and secondly increase public awareness of the value of domains which will result in a fewer drops.
Smaller players and people that can't pay big bucks for .coms will have to look for alternative solutions into alternative extentions. New, meaningful extentions will get a boost.


Your prediction is accurate, but is really an observation. This has been the situation for over a year now.
 

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Is Tucows drop system already in place? If so, where do you access it?
 

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Sharpy makes a good point. Mods, please move this thread to the Advertising section if that is where it belongs.

Sharpy, please let me know your question -- I'll answer it here or offline, whichever you prefer.
 

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Sharpy said:
First of all this thread should have been in Advertising and Related offers.....

Who really cares if an advertising or announcement post ends-up converting to a feedback, informational or educational thread anyway? All the better in some cases, especially this one, IMO.
 

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Thanks, Kjel, my question is:

1. Are the 35-40 day "On Hold" and 30 day "redemption periods" still being adhered to before a netsol name is being awarded to the holder of a SnapBack subscription on that name?
 

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It would surprise me if this new system by NSI will be allowed to continue. It would appear to me to violate several policies and obligations that NSI must heed. Here's what I just wrote to ICANN (and others):

---- note to ICANN and others --------
Hello,

At the Carthage, Tunisia meeting of the ICANN Board, the minutes:

http://www.icann.org/announcements/advisory-31oct03.htm

*adopted* the Deletion Policy Recommendations of the GNSO (see the heading "Adoption of GNSO Council Domain Deletion Policy Recommendations" in the minutes)

The deletions policy is at:

http://www.icann.org/carthage/deletes-topic.htm

My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that those are now *Consensus Policies".

1) Why, as a Consensus Policy, is it not listed at:

http://www.icann.org/general/consensus-policies.htm

2) Several new services would appear to be in violation of the Consensus Deletions Policy. In particular, Network Solutions will now auction expired domains BEFORE they would have naturally deleted:

http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/name-it/pending.jhtml

As per the announcement by SnapNames at:

http://www.domainstate.com/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=33201

"Starting today, if a domain name at Network Solutions expires and is not renewed, the domain will immediately be awarded to the holder of a SnapBack subscription on that name. If there is more than one SnapBack subscription on a particular name, the name will become the object of a
short auction among the interested parties, andwill be eventually awarded to the auction winner.

Network Solutions will start checking to see if domains have a SnapBack on them within a few hours from now. Any Netsol registered names with an expiry date of 8/12, 8/13 or 8/14 could be part of this, so you may want to enter those domains into your SN account as soon as possible."

3) It is my belief that the above system violates the consensus policy, in particular:

"At the conclusion of the registration period, failure by or on behalf of the Registered Name Holder to consent that the registration be renewed within the time specified in a second notice or reminder shall, in the absence of extenuating circumstances, result in cancellation of
the registration by the end of the auto-renew grace period (although registrars may choose to cancel the name earlier)."

The relevant wording is "shall.....result in cancellation" (NOT "may"). NSI appears to be taking control of the relevant domains, without explicit permission of the Registered Name Holders, in order to profit from their expiry, when it appears to be their duty that the domains be cancelled, to provide equivalent access to all other registrars to
register the cancelled domain name.

4) By virtue of NSI's former monopoly (meaning they have control of many of the best expiring domains, which were registered in the early 1990s), this new system is anti-competitive, forcing prospective registrants to continue to deal with Network Solutions and its partners for the registration of the desired domain name, instead of the
current method where the name would expire and be caught using a variety of competitive domain-catching services.

5) ICANN should put a stop to this practice, and ensure that domains are either deleted, OR that any such auctions take place only with explicit permission of the Registered Name Holders (without the registrar stepping in as a "proxy", having transferred the domains to themselves without the permission of the prior registrant). "Explicit"
would be "opt-in", and NOT a *failure* to opt-out.

6) The above system by NSI appears to also violate the principles of the Redemption Grace Period, because names would be siphoned off to SnapNames bidders BEFORE the domains would have entered RGP. This obviously hurts existing registrants, through the usurpation of their
rights by NSI.

7) Litigation will almost certainly ensue if the above NSI system continues. Perhaps ICANN should now step in and do something, to ensure that the obligations of registrars are being met?

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
http://www.kirikos.com/
 

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Whatever your purpose, it worked :)

If a domain name has a SnapBack on it, it will be ported into our system 36 days after the listed expiry date. If a name without a SnapBack passes the 36 day grace period with no renewal, Network Solutions will issue a delete command, and the name in question will then be subject to the registry level RGP.




Sharpy said:
Thanks, Kjel, my question is:

1. Are the 35-40 day "On Hold" and 30 day "redemption periods" still being adhered to before a netsol name is being awarded to the holder of a SnapBack subscription on that name?



Good point. My post was intended to promote a response from the thread's author. I could really care less where he posted it.
 
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Your prediction is accurate, but is really an observation. This has been the situation for over a year now.


1. .Com game for smaller players is over. The situation for over a year was that there was still snapnames.com that were catching names for a fixed fee of $60 and godaddy.com that were catching for $19 per domain. So smaller players may manage to order and get an expensive domain for $60 or $19.
Moreover, it's no longer a game of a number of registrar connections you have. So there was a point 1 year ago in opening registrars to catch domains (which pool did and I'm now glad for them). Now it's no longer a question of connections so there is no way smaller players can get a domain cheap trough infamous registrars that use their connections to catch domains.

2. Media coverage: There was no point covering an extremely complicated domain drop system that most readers will not even understand. Now the system is quite simple and since domains go for what is likely "surprising prices" to most outsiders, it worth media to surprise their audience. Once this happen the domain prices will go up as per increasing number of people chasing the same domans.

3. Other extentions: The fact that some players are no longer competitive in .com game doesn't mean that those players will drop out from the game. They will still play and find profitable niches which are only alternaive extentions at the moment.

I also predict all "fake" registrars that were open to catch domains to get out of the field.
 

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Kjel said:
Whatever your purpose, it worked :)

If a domain name has a SnapBack on it, it will be ported into our system 36 days after the listed expiry date. If a name without a SnapBack passes the 36 day grace period with no renewal, Network Solutions will issue a delete command, and the name in question will then be subject to the registry level RGP.

Thanks Kjel!



Blink said:
1. .Com game for smaller players is over. The situation for over a year was that there was still snapnames.com that were catching names for a fixed fee of $60 and godaddy.com that were catching for $19 per domain. So smaller players may manage to order and get an expensive domain for $60 or $19.

So really the game is still open to the "Smalltime" player as Godaddy still offer $19 flatrate, one holder, snaps. Let's face it, in Snapnames' final year under that model, ok final 6 months, they rarely caught anything high end. In Godaddy's history, name more than 5 names they have ever caught that would be considered High End" I know a couple, native.com supermarket.net Even a blind squirle finds an acorn once in a while :-#:
 

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=Sharpy.....Even a blind squirle finds an acorn once in a while

Every dog has its day! However, Snapnames seems to have improved greatly since they went away from their fixed price system

They are also quite honest with a proxy bid of more than $500 still getting a name awarded for the $60 minimum price. Great work Snapnames, you have my highest respect!

P.S. Thanks Kjel.
 

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RealNames said:
Snapnames seems to have improved greatly since they went away from their fixed price system

Agree. But the little guy now has zero chance of playing the game. :'(
 

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I have not been able to get onto the Snapnames website for over a day. Anyone know what is happening?
 

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By the way Network Solutions & Snap Names (Kjev)....

Please disable the ability to renew names on the front page of your site without the person having the login access to a name. This simply allows people to renew names for an indefinite period without letting it go into the drop cycle. If I wanted to be a real pain I could simply front the money to renew some 5 figure names which might otherwise have dropped until this issue becomes cleared up in a year or so. If you close up this hole I would be greatly appreciative so that names I do want will drop and I can buy them at auction fair and square. Also please delete names with incorrect contact information cause we want to buy those also!

Kjev can you distribute this to the proper channels? :evil:
 

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I predict legal action.
 

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Steen said:
I predict legal action.

I predict that POOL and others can't do jack and that this will ultimately lead where it was intended to go from the start. Not necessary WLS but definitely some kind of revised system.

If ICANN and Verisign have continued to allow new DBA registrars popping up left and right to slam the registry why would they even care about this new system. Versign owns Netsol still right?
 

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clemzonguy said:
Versign owns Netsol still right?
If I recall correctly, Verisign sold 90% of Netsol.


And ICANN was quick to criticize that wildcard DNS fiasco.
 

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actnow said:
With the Snapnames/Network Sol. new system, the former owner might fight in court to regain the ownership of the valuable domain.

If the owner was properly notified about renewing their name and didn't respond, then one day after expiration it no longer belongs to him plain and simple.

Do you feel sorry for someone who "forgot" to renew or had outdated contact info?

I don't. If you have something of value it is your responsibility to make sure you keep it...
 

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Steen said:
If I recall correctly, Verisign sold 90% of Netsol.

Wasn't it the CIA? I read that in a post a while back. 8-)
 

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Why do Network Solutions need Snapnames to be part of this? Surely they could offer the service themselves and then not need to pay SnapNames a dime. Is it just like with the late WLS where Snapnames were obviously paid to go along with the idea because Verisign claimed that they'd be making use of "Snapnames technology" to impliment it? ;) I reckon it is.
 
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