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Tax time is here.

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Rockefeller

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Well, I waited until the very last minute and taxes are almost done. Last time I checked I owed around $63,000 to the feds.

That self employment tax is a killer....
 

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ditto your comments...

was hard to learn years ago to put it back and not touch it...
easier still doing the quarterly...

each year its... more and more and more...
but on the flip side... it's cause each year is better and better and better...

:)

Grilling steak this afternoon... it's finally NICE weather here in OHIO today....

have a good one...

~DomainBELL (Patricia)
 
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I just paid mine last week. I had to pay all of 07 plus Q1 for 08 plus my bill from my accountant lol
 

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Hey everyone, care to share any tax tips you learned or used (even if your accountant did the work)?

Thanks in advance.
 

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I married a CPA. Which means our tax return will be started and finished sometime during the afternoon of April 15th.

It doesn't matter whether we are owed huge amounts or have to pay. She still isn't going to do ours before our clients because she doesn't get paid for it.

Sort of like the painter who never paints his own home...
 

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plus my bill from my accountant lol

That's deductible.

I learned that many many many things are deductions.

Brokerage fees, conference passes, travel expenses for conferences, on and on and on....
 

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Well, I waited until the very last minute and taxes are almost done. Last time I checked I owed around $63,000 to the feds. That self employment tax is a killer....

Maybe you should move to the Cayman Islands or some other tax haven?
 

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This comes up every year. Why don't you guys set up offshore trusts, and have them own your domains and lease back to you?
 

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So is there a consensus that if you buy and sell domains (and park them in the interim), they should be treated as capital gains/loses. If you hold them for less than a year, then the gains/losses will be treated as ordinary income. If you hold them for more than a year, then the gains/losses will receive the favorable long term capital treatment (which taxes the gains/losses at the lower capital gain rate).

Then, there is a treshold issue as to whether a person buys/sells so many domains in a given year that it could be classified as a trading activity. In this case, all the gains/losses are treated as ordinary (and not capital in nature). The IRS has not provided guidance on this point yet.

Is this understanding correct? Thanks everyone.
 

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This comes up every year. Why don't you guys set up offshore trusts, and have them own your domains and lease back to you?

I assume you have one at The Isle of Man (UK)? Is that a good place for both UK and US doaminers?
 

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Wow, we did ours a while ago and already got our (small) refund.
 

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This comes up every year. Why don't you guys set up offshore trusts, and have them own your domains and lease back to you?

I assume you have one at The Isle of Man (UK)? Is that a good place for both UK and US domainers?
 

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So is there a consensus that if you buy and sell domains (and park them in the interim), they should be treated as capital gains/loses. If you hold them for less than a year, then the gains/losses will be treated as ordinary income. If you hold them for more than a year, then the gains/losses will receive long term capital treatment, which will tax them at the lower capital gain rate.

Then, there is a treshold issue as to whether a person buys/sells so many domains in a given year that it could be classified as a trading activity. In this case, all the gains/losses are treated as ordinary (and not capital in nature).

Is this understanding correct? Thanks everyone.
Not really. You might be obfuscating the issue. In skeletal form, you do this do avoid capital gains:

1. Set up an offshore company or trust, e.g. BVI.

2. Buy your domains from that entity, or sell them NOW at par (what you paid for them) to that entitiy in anticipation of a capital gain.

3. Lease them back to you in your tax jurisdiction.

4. Pay *fair market* lease/rent for your domain earnings; i.e. if this offshore entity leases you a domain for $1000/month and you make $600/month from it, then have the offshore invoice you a sensible fee.

5. When you sell the domain(s), have the offshore take the profit and don't repatriate it. The offshore won't be paying capital gains.

If you make obvious abuse, you will get into trouble. Bear in mind that whatever you pay in rental fees to your offshore, the offshore still accumulates that as non-taxable profits.

To sum up:

a) Satisfy your domicile tax authority that you are dealing 'at arm's length'. Declare the income you make.

b) Don't repatriate profits -- buy an overseas property.

c) Never try the 'cash machine stunt'. They can find you that way.
 
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Thanks azooza. Your post was extremely helpful and easy to follow.

How about if you don't do the off shore thing. In fact, no corporate structure. You simply live in the US and buy/sell domains as a sole practitioner. Then what? Would my interpretation be somewhat correct?
 

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Sorry, forgot to add:

Run it all by a competent accountant.

If you are all US-based and have no offshore, you have no tax mitigation. It's simple 'in and out'.

I assume you have one at The Isle of Man (UK)? Is that a good place for both UK and US domainers?
IoM is okay, but my last was in BVI and I had a Lloyds account in Jersey. For me, IoM is just to close to Her Majesty's Tax Hoovers or whatever they call themselves these days. BVI or US VI Territory should work.
 

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Geez, I hope you made somewhere in the mid six figures.
 

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I assume you have one at The Isle of Man (UK)? Is that a good place for both UK and US domainers?

Trader, I had occasion to vest some intellectual property offshore a good while ago. That was set up by my accountant in BVI. As it happened, I needed the funds repatriated so I actually made no tax savings. If I had kept the money offshore, I could have bought property abroad, but it would have belonged to my offshore; not me. Having said that, the offshore was owned by me, but I needed rapatriated funds and hence I saved nothing.

I did investigate all offshore 'havens'; especially in relation to banks which 'recognised' them, and I came up with BVI. Your mileage may differ if you're not in the UK.

Always ask a CPA/FCA - when you have nothing to hide, it's called 'tax avoidance' and not 'tax evasion' :D
 
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