For Sale Who publishes the best pending delete (drop) lists? Pool? Droplists.net? DRT? Other?

[TomCat99]

Who publishes the best pending delete lists? Pool? Droplists.net? DRT? Other?

For example POOL publishes a list of names dropping in the next 5 days. It includes .com, .net, .org, & .info TLD's. Currently Pool's list has 127,000 names on it. (127,000 divided by 5 = 25,400) This means that Pool expects us to believe that when considering all of the extensions covered by their list (.com, .net, .org, & .info) that only 25,000 names drop per day.

Droplists.net publishes a list of names dropping in the next 3 days. It has only .com and .net TLD's on the list. Currently their list has 175,000 names on it. (175,000 divided by 3 = 58,3333) If you go by this then droplists.net is telling us that 58,000 names drop per day with just .com and .net extensions.

Pool's list leads us to think that between the .com, .net, .info, & .org extensions that only 25,400 names (on average) drop per day.

Droplists.net (Dropping in the next 3 days) list leads us to think that from only the .com and .net extensions alone that 58,333 names (on average) drop per day.

Can anyone explain the difference between the two list's? Is Pool purposely not putting names on their list? Is the Droplists.net list accurate? What drop list providers do you trust to have an all inclusive list?

 

[jdk]

If you are serious to get into the drop game I would suggest signing up for the master zone files Verisign publishes. This way you will be able to get all the domains which drop on a daily basis.

 

[TomCat99]

I had looked at that option from Verisign before. The hangup for me is that Verisign wants zone file subscribers to have a static IP; mine is not. I have Road Runner and although it is plenty fast for me, it does not have a static IP. In the near future I might upgrade my Road Runner account from residential to business class. If that happens, then I will sign up for the Verisign zone file subscription. In the meantime, I am just wondering if there is an honest list provider out there that has all of the available dropping names on their list without cherry picking off the names that catch their own eyes.

If you are serious to get into the drop game I would suggest signing up for the master zone files Verisign publishes. This way you will be able to get all the domains which drop on a daily basis.

 

[italiandragon]

If you are serious to get into the drop game I would suggest signing up for the master zone files Verisign publishes. This way you will be able to get all the domains which drop on a daily basis.

.it and .in too?

thanks

 

[jdk]

.it and .in too?

thanks

Verisign publishes .com/.net/ and I believe .org is in there too. I usually download the .com/.net files.

 

[TomCat99]

Sorry for all the questions JDK, but how do you parse the zone files into usefull lists to find deleted and pending deletion names? Are the zone files only good for finding deletions or can you use them to find names that are few days away from dropping as well? Do you load the list in to excel and sort it or load it into mysql and run queries on it, or what?

I have never seen one of these zone files, can you share one (or a portion of one) with me through PM so that I can see what it looks like?

 

[RatherGood]

I think I like dropshark the most for this task.

DRT does give you access to the zone files though.


I'd buy both programs and see if either meets your needs before paying to get a static ip.

 

[Luc]

Hi,

Parsing the zone for pendingdelete requires a LOT of work and a LOT of time.

This is how it works.

1. Day 1. You get the zone
2. Day 2. You get the zone.
3. Day 2. You compare zone from day 1 to zone from day 2 to get the difference. The difference are domains that have changed status, this is usually from "Active" to "Registrar-Hold" and sometimes to "RedemptionPeriod". If you have DRT this is the "Daily .Com/.Net changes" list in the "Advanced Lists" section. Also, new registrations will be in the difference too.
4. Day 2. You check the whois of the changed status domains (usually a few hundred thousand) and those will mostly be Reg-Hold, with some RGP and maybe even a few dropped. From the Reg-Hold & RGP you calculate the approximate date the domains will change status again, either to RGP or to PendingDelete. You repeat this every day.
5. Day X+45. You run that same list you got on Day 2 to check for domain status changes (whois). Many domains will be renewed, some will have changed status to RGP. Some will have dropped.
6. Day X+30. You run the list again (whois), this time the remaining domains (those that haven't been renewed) should be switched to PendingDelete status. These domains are bound to drop within the next 5 days.
7. Day X+5. You run the list the final time (whois) to see which domains dropped.​

There are a few tricks and a few steps I skipped to make this simple to understand, but that's the general idea.

The zone files do not contain pendingdelete domains. Only ALL registered domains with nameservers.

 

[jdk]

Very informative. Would love to hear the "tricks" :censored: you left out as I already complete the steps you mentioned below.
:whoo:

Hi,

Parsing the zone for pendingdelete requires a LOT of work and a LOT of time.

This is how it works.

1. Day 1. You get the zone
2. Day 2. You get the zone.
3. Day 2. You compare zone from day 1 to zone from day 2 to get the difference. The difference are domains that have changed status, this is usually from "Active" to "Registrar-Hold" and sometimes to "RedemptionPeriod". If you have DRT this is the "Daily .Com/.Net changes" list in the "Advanced Lists" section. Also, new registrations will be in the difference too.
4. Day 2. You check the whois of the changed status domains (usually a few hundred thousand) and those will mostly be Reg-Hold, with some RGP and maybe even a few dropped. From the Reg-Hold & RGP you calculate the approximate date the domains will change status again, either to RGP or to PendingDelete. You repeat this every day.
5. Day X+45. You run that same list you got on Day 2 to check for domain status changes (whois). Many domains will be renewed, some will have changed status to RGP. Some will have dropped.
6. Day X+30. You run the list again (whois), this time the remaining domains (those that haven't been renewed) should be switched to PendingDelete status. These domains are bound to drop within the next 5 days.
7. Day X+5. You run the list the final time (whois) to see which domains dropped.​

There are a few tricks and a few steps I skipped to make this simple to understand, but that's the general idea.

The zone files do not contain pendingdelete domains. Only ALL registered domains with nameservers.

 

[TomCat99]

Please share the 'tricks' ray2:

 

[Luc]

The tricks have to do with optimizing the whois scan so that only certain groups of domains (those likely to be changing status) should be checked. It's more of an algorithm/script rather than a trick. Optimization feature I guess would be a better way to describe it.

However most of these tricks can't be applied until first level lists are already generated and that usually takes about a month and a half of intense server whois queries.

 

[Aplusmedia]

is exody.com no good?

 

[Luc]

Exody.com is GREAT as far as lists go, but it's a bit complicated to navigate. The interface is very very old and it's hard to tell which list is which (at first).

The lists are excellent though. DRT uses most Exody.com lists so if you have DRT you already have the latest Exody lists (feeds are every 10 minutes).

If there is a list on exody you'd like please let me know and I can try to add it in for you.

 

[bdss]

If you are serious to get into the drop game I would suggest signing up for the master zone files Verisign publishes. This way you will be able to get all the domains which drop on a daily basis.

I would like to get into this..how and where does one sign up.

thanks

 

[Luc]

I would like to get into this..how and where does one sign up.

thanks

You can apply through Verisign and then wait a week or month or longer to get your username and password. Then you'll be able to download zone files directly from their server.

My software, DRT, provides daily updated zone files including .com, .net, .org, .us, .info, .biz, and partial zones for .be, dk, .es, .de, .co.uk, .gr, .nl, .no (since those are not distributed to the public) and a zone file cleaner (since these zone files contain name servers and a lot of duplicate domains).

Good luck.

 

[RsL]

Side note,

One thing I like about downloading zone files from DRT (Domain Research Tool) there is no need to login with a user/pass, etc. Nor is there any need to wait for access from a registrar...

You just access it from the file menu and 'quickly' it is ready to process and sort right from DRT... After using DRT I don't know why any serious domainer would want to use anything else.

Its the best I know of.

Shane

 

[templar]

Is DRT an actively supported tool in 2010? And does it handle searching for domains with words, both 1 word, 2 word, 3 word and 4 word?