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... if it was the plural I probubly wouldnt have released it back into the wild.
Mike

Normally I would completely agree with you but with .ws I am looking at just the opposite. If it is going to be marketed as "website", a singular name works better I believe... ANIMAL.WS - The Animal Website as opposed to "Animals Website", unless of course it's the old rock band in which case it would work just fine... :yes:

Just curious, did you catch it from a drop or just happen upon it as I did? It would appear that it had be registered for a couple of years...
http://whois.domaintools.com/animal.ws
http://www.google.com/search?q=animal.ws

Anywho, there should be an SMF forum up shortly... My animal websites (ex. http://caresheet.com, http://spinosaurus.com) generate traffic and the CTR isn't too bad, but the CPC ain't so hot.

Thanks again, got any more gems that you let go??? :cheesy:
 

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Ive got nothing left up my sleaves but if I happen to come across something interesting I will let you know. When I said the word animal the first thing that came to mind was Animal Planet, thus you are correct, Animal Website works well in this case but the word also made me think of Animal from The Muppet Show lol

Best of luck with it...

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jsut wanted to revive this thread.... is their still any value for .ws?
i am looking to register good 4-5 domains , but as i reg .ws only 2 in 8/9 yrs... so more concerned if my cents will give some dollars?
 

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I have 38 .ws domains, my highest click ever at sedo (10.8 euro) was for a .ws - cheaploan.ws

I've also sold a few, including carpets dot ws for $500 at sedo.

The keywords I do have in .ws would be worth seven figures in .com, would even be worth 5 figures in .us for that matter, so I think they're worth it.
 

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interesting...
 

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Headline.ws - won at the auction. But why the hell do I need it? :smilewinkgrin:
 

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Just got Yellow dot-ws ... no particular use for it, but single-word color domains are rare enough that I took the plunge anyway.
 

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As long as you enjoy the name, why not pony up $10 a year to own it? Cost of 3 cups of Starbucks. Just please don't plan on paying for your kids college with the proceeds. Chalk it up to a fun, cheap experiment/novelty you can't lose. Pin hopes on a .ws names and they will be dashed.
 

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Lets see some folks make profitable sites with these words.

Keywords are keywords but will they topple other extensions in the rankings?
 

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1.
I kept a bunch of single-word generic-product .ws names, and let most of my lesser ones go a few years back.
So now I own only about thirty .ws domains like sweaters.ws and pesticides.ws and scubagear.ws.
Sedo's automated pricing tool seems to value keyword .ws domains highly (e.g., $2,999 for sweaters.ws), while Estibot regards them all as worthless. So .ws domains are just a fling, a gamble I'm OK to hold onto, and not the bulk of my portfolio.

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After the .ws extension was granted, the nation changed its name to Samoa.
Thus there no longer is any place actually named Western Samoa.
Not knowing this, I registered (and still own) WesternSamoa.ws

(I wonder what UnitedStates.us is worth?)
 

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I used to own marijuana.ws - let it drop, I could not give it away
 

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I'd not be surprised if I saw bitcoin.ws, JFK.ws or 888.ws in auction as dropped domains.... in fact I have lol, well.... only it was JFK.cc long ago, I think no one touched it

Some boutique (ie failed by now) extensions allow 2-character domains when more mainstream ones like .info do not, that's a rare example where a name with those exts could be sold decently, maybe...

Watch drop lists or expired domain auctions, or go to NameJet and SnapNames, if you see no takers for a hot domain in a weird ext, then it's safe to assume it's a failed one and ppl won't take 'em for free
 

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1. Sedo's so-called valuator is a joke, you should hear how hard I laugh when I add names to Sedo and I see those "suggestions", they're way out there and all are to inflate your domain price, I don't recall seeing too many suggestions to list a name for $60 when it's a $600 name

2. Western Samoans were probably embarrassed to be associated to .WS lmfao, that must've been why they changed the county name

3. I think it was Adam who said on one of his theArtoftheName.com videos that .US is the only ccTLD its nationals actually run away from (sorry, Adam if it wasn't you after all lol), and I agree. Most .US names sell really low or just don't sell, they should do away with the "restriction" that a .US registrant must live in the US (which is not really enforced by any registrar to begin with) and maybe then .US regs and sales will pick up

Sedo's automated pricing tool seems to value keyword .ws domains highly (e.g., $2,999 for sweaters.ws)......

.....After the .ws extension was granted, the nation changed its name to Samoa. Thus there no longer is any place actually named Western Samoa.......

.....(I wonder what UnitedStates.us is worth?)
 
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Don't you know .ws is an abbreviation for 'was' :)
 

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I used to own marijuana.ws - let it drop, I could not give it away

Somebody owns it now. There's a generic site there.

But until some medical marijuana clinic uses it to sell from, .ws isn't ready for prime time.
 

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1. Sedo's so-called valuator is a joke, you should hear how hard I laugh when I add names to Sedo and I see those "suggestions", they're way out there and all are to inflate your domain price, I don't recall seeing too many suggestions to list a name for $60 when it's a $600 name

I agree that the Sedo pricing tool is erratic, but NOT that it produces inflated prices on average. Like an experienced real estate agent, the Sedo tool is (or ought to be) attempting to set prices that will maximize turnover, and their profits are won by competing for listings, not by eking out a better price for the seller.

I have priced some listings at 50% to 100% over the pricing tool, and they have sold. Conversely, many that were priced via the tool, or for less, have not sold.

Since human experts can't agree, why should we expect an automation tool to be any better? So in sum, I think Sedo's tool is an honest attempt to set a price at which a buyer and seller might be willing to transact.

That said, there are some exceptions. The biggest exception is low-value domains. Sedo's new pricing algorithm has a minimum of $299 assigned to all domains. The old pricing algorithm had a minimum of $99.

Another pattern is that Sedo's tool tends to overweigh the keyword, and underweigh the extension and the letter/word-count, IMO.

Also, Sedo's tool overrates meaningful words that are not great businesses; but Sedo's tool has an excellent sense of the value of brand-names; while Estibot underrates great words and great brand names if they are not already frequent product-search words with high ad-bids. It is as if Estibot is catering to domainers seeking parking income rather than resale, while Sedo is serving businesses looking for an online brand identity.

For example, I recently sold HealthyFresh.com at Sedo for the $1,295 price set by the estimation tool, whereas Estibot estimated it at $230. On the other hand, Sedo's automated tool set TrainDirectory.com and DailyWeb.net at over $10,000 each, when IMO a realistic Sedo sale price for either is more like $500 to $900. I can readily imagine a mass-market product (a smoothie or other beverage, an air freshener, or a feminine hygiene product) named HealthyFresh; it's harder to see how to make a big business out of the other two.

In the old days, Estibot was habitually much higher than the Sedo pricing tool; now the reverse seems usually true. I will believe that two perfectly honest and reasonably competent systems will have been achieved when each estimator is higher and lower than the other about 50% of the time!

In sum, if you have business domains in major extensions that Sedo's tool values at $349 or more, and your goal is to sell rather than hoard for clicks, it's not a bad place to start; you are neither thieving nor getting royally screwed. Start at the tool's suggested price; if it doesn't sell in a year at Sedo, drop the price. (I am assuming that you are fairly passive, as I am; that you are not full-time researching and contacting potential buyers, which is a practical impossibility if you have very large numbers of $xxx domains.)

If you use Sedo and Estibot both, and you always set pricing at the higher of the two, you may feel good about "not leaving money on the table", but you'll flip fewer domains. If the goal is to flip them, you could always set at the lesser of the two estimates, and then drop prices as needed. But develop your own judgement over time.

3. I think it was Adam who said on one of his theArtoftheName.com videos that .US is the only ccTLD its nationals actually run away from (sorry, Adam if it wasn't you after all lol), and I agree. Most .US names sell really low or just don't sell, they should do away with the "restriction" that a .US registrant must live in the US (which is not really enforced by any registrar to begin with) and maybe then .US regs and sales will pick up

I recently sold TaxiDriver.us at Sedo for $390, just a bit over the Sedo tool's recommendation of $370.

I like .us for development if the keyword is political or for protest. For example: a libertarian rant at fascism.US; Andrews Air Force Base news at AAFB.us; blogging at justicesystem.us, etc. In fact, I think .USA would be a much more successful TLD than .US even though it would not be a ccTLD.

I also like .us for development if it's a memorable hack, such as mend.us for a fix-it site.

.us for purely local businesses (e.g., pianorepair.us, artsupply.us, movingvanrentals.us, has not taken off; and I wouldn't consider it for my own business unless the .com is already developed by a strong corporation whose industry differs from mine, so that I would not lose returning customers to them.
 

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Thanks, I don't know anything about them, are they an okay registrar? Do they offer free DNS?

Dynadot is my preferred registrar. Their "Super Bulk Pricing" level is as good as anybody else's (with the exception of .MX domains, which I leave at LuckyRegister.com which is a WildWest/GoDaddy affiliate that has great .MX pricing; and .IN domains which I leave at OnlineNIC for the same reason).

I also have domains at Fabulous.com (for domains that need privacy; since privacy is free there), at Enom.com (because of the API to interface Enom with WHMCS, so my registration and hosting business can be automated), and an account I keep empty at GoDaddy (only to receive pushes when I buy).

But the real reason I transfer everything possible to Dynadot is that they participate in Sedo's MLS service, which is the highest volume sales venue I have found. Most of my domains seem to be sold by GoDaddy with the order fulfilled by Sedo. Sedo sucks them from Dynadot automatically and delivers them to GoDaddy automatically.
 
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