For Sale accountant.us.com - for sale

[tunafabulous]

I currently own accountant.us.com

This fabulous domain is part of the CentralNic.

Please PM with your offers.

All offers will be considered and the domain will be awarded to the person with the highest offer.

If necessary, I will set up an Auction.

The US.COM domain is a great way to reflect a US identity and still have the coveted .com domain ending. There are no restrictions or rules when registering a US.COM domain. They can be used by anyone as either a web address or an email address.

Cheers!

 

[David G]

I know it will resolve if setup as a sub-domain but are you positive a sub-domain can be legally sold? Is it not tied directly to the us.com domain so how may it be sold without owning us.com?

Even if the owner of the main domain contracts with someone to 'buy' a sub-domain does not the real ownership stay with whoever controls the main domain? Please explain.

 

[tunafabulous]

RealNames,

Originally founded in 1995 as NomiNation, CentralNic Ltd. was established in April 2000 as an independent global domain registry committed to making it easier for Internet users to establish new and distinctive domain names with regional and country-specific identities

If you've been wanting to register 'whatever.com' and it hasn't been available, you might just be able to get 'whatever.us.com' in its place. These unrestricted domain names are now widely available on a first come first serve basis.

eNom, one of the largest ICANN Accredited Domain Name Registrars, has introduced a series of two-letter, geo-specific, domain names. These domain names, made possible by CentralNic , a private London Based domain name registry, include US.COM, EU.COM, UK.COM, CN.COM, RU.COM, DE.COM & twelve others that represent the worlds most populated countries.

"There are tens of thousands of people in all of these countries who would love to be able to get a more descriptive domain name that ends in dot com, but can't because all the good dot com domains are taken. We not only give them a dot com domain, but we also give them a domain that relates to their specific country or region. People like that."

Read About Everything at http://www.centralnic.com/

There are resellers all over the place.

 

[David G]

.....There are resellers all over the place.

Am sure CentralNIC is good at marketing these sub-domains but the buyer should understand they do not actually own a subdomain since subdomains are part of the main domain and are not recognized by ICANN or show up in a Whois Search, etc.

I seriously question the sale of a sub-domain name and wonder if it should even be permitted on the forum boards in the first place from a legal viewpoint as a newbie may actually believe he owns such a domain when it is not a real domain name in the first place but merely rights to use a sub-domain.

Any member here could also sell subdomains based on their main domain. hmmmm. Perhaps the Mods/Admin here could give an opinion on this issue?

Also, I understand CentralNic filed liquidation bankruptcy not too long ago and if they one day end up closing up shop and shut down their server all these subdomains would stop working and the buyer would instantly lose their money. I really think it borders on a scam they market subdomains pretending they are real domains in their Agreement.

"Dec 2003. Dear Registrar, CentralNic's business is undergoing a re-structuring and part of this re-structuring has involved a creditor's voluntary liquidation....."

 

[DomainTurn.com]

I Agree

If there is not complete ownership is a domain name it should be disclosed
If it is not then there seem's to be a problem with saying you could be the owner of
such a name and not a sub-domain. It's like saying I want to sell you a car. In the process you hand me a hot wheels. Yes it's a car but it's not the car I wanted to buy.

 

[tunafabulous]

OK RealNames,

You may be correct in saying that I do not "own" the domain, but acctually I do own the "rights" to use this domain. To make everyone happy, I will change my wording in all future posts to say "rights for sale!"

Below is a statement from the FAQ section of CentralNic.com.

Q - What happens if I want to sell the name?

"If the registrant of a domain name changes, the new registrant must re-register the name and pay the full registration fee. Prior to re-registration CentralNic requires confirmation from the original registrant."

Upon the sale of the "rights" of this domain, I will re-register the name of the new owner.

 

[Wired]

I "own" or "have rights to" some us.com's and uk.com's.

I also have some .com's, but in reality, I don't really own them either. I lease them and as long as I pay the annual rental fees, I "own" or "have right to" my .coms. If I did completely "own" them, I would have "owned" them the initial time I registered them and pay not a annual recurring rental agreement.

I also own cellphones.me.uk, doesn't this come under the category of a subdomain. Even if ICANN is the prevailing authority, weren't they under some sort of financial problems a couple years back and would the internet drop out if they were not funded?

On both .com and us.com etc, it is in my opinion that rights are similar but then again, I own both .com's and us.com's.

 

[David G]

.....I also own cellphones.me.uk, doesn't this come under the category of a subdomain.

Isn't me.uk a UK Country Code like co.uk and org.uk, and not simply a domain owned by a company like centralnic? Do not think your me.uk name is really a true sub-domain name in the common understanding on what a sub-domain is. (Dan Tobias would know if he is here).

 

[Theo]

We need a new Forum for:

• International character domains
• Third level domains (subdomains) such as this one

This way we keep things nice and tidy.

 

[joezeppy]

Hi All,

I work for Centralnic and will be happy to answer questions about the company.

Centralnic is unique in that we are the largest privately run registry selling domains at the third level. These domains are under a group of two-letter, country-specific, second-level domains including us.com, eu.com, and uk.com. We've done this since 1995, starting with the uk.com domain and today, market 18 of them in total. Our domains have never stopped working since we began so the domains are tried and true and our record speaks for itself. I'll try to address some of the concerns listed in this thread here...

Regarding whois, although some whois programs don't show our records, there are many that do and anyone can view our whois records and do lookups using the same standards that all registries use. So it is up to the various whois program writers and operators to show our whois records when they write the programs or set up their web sites. Anyone can view our whois data by visiting our site at http://www.centralnic.com/whois and entering the term they would like to check (without any tld or sld ending... just list the term itself).

Regarding our re-organization, last November, the former owner of Centralnic filed for a voluntary liquidation and I was told at that time that it was due to shareholder problems. In that process, the company was bought out entirely by a holding company that operates a satellite service and real estate operations in London.

The change has turned out to be one of the best things that has happened to Centralnic since I've worked there and the new owners are bringing the company to a new level of success. Since that change over occurred, we have signed on both eNom and Dotster as Registrar / Resellers. We are talking to many other large registrars as well.

As far as "ownership" of domains, there is no doubt that it's a grey area. The legal definition and treatment of top level domains is still being defined. The question of how second level domain sales or registrations and transfers will be treated admittedly is not defined at all. However, our terms allow for registrant transfers under certain conditions and do give rights to registrants so there is certainly a legal basis in the registration of our domain products.

We've worked with the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO), and we've developed a Dispute Resolution Procedure (DRP) that is listed on our web site. So, we've worked hard to protect registrants and to address the various concerns of the domain name community.

I don't think it would be appropriate for me to comment on after market value as that could be seen as an obvious conflict of interest and I'm not aware of any lucrative after market sales. At the same time, I will vouch for their "realness" and "usefulness". Our users love the fact that they can once again find an easy-to-remember, descriptive, and yes, even shorter domain name. For examples of what I mean, take a look at eNom's promotional page... http://www.enom.com/help/faq_altdotcom.asp

We've also done business with large corporations around the world that want to protect their trademarks and their brands online. Centralnic is unique in that we are a privately managed company and yes, we don't have to follow all the ICANN rules for a registry. We are nothing more than a company that has registered some very valuable and useful domains and that resells parts of those rights, but we are perfectly within our rights to do so and what we do is not much different than what an ISP does when they issue an e-mail address to their customers.

I've heard the argument over and over... What will happen if Centralnic goes out of business? My answer is always the same. What will happen if AOL goes out of business or any company for that matter? I can't make you any guarantees. No company can. However Centralnic should be given credit for their 8+ year record of reliability and for what they bring to the table. We made it through boom and bust and we are doing better than ever before right now.

Sorry for the long post. I just wanted to chime in and be available for questions or any concerns.

Best Regards,

 

[totalsol]

[mod]SPAM (in multiple sales threads) Edited out[/mod]

 

[tunafabulous]

Excellent! Thanks for the clarification joezeppy.

 

[Theo]

"Centralnic is unique in that we are the largest privately run registry selling domains at the third level"

That's the exact definition of a sub-domain.

 

[joezeppy]

That's correct Radistar.

 

[DomainTurn.com]

Im sure glad you have taken the time to clarify who you are. It's nice to see another
process in which money can be made. In this case the questions are simple.
is it a sub-domain "yes"
can it be sold in whole ?
Or is it an agreement that is transferable to a future buyer for the purpose of leasing
for a set term. .

 

[seeker]

I also need to ask a simple question that isnt clear in the FAQs.
Can I or anyone else buy/sell accountant.us.com ?
I see it says under 'certain conditions' one can transfer ownership, but what are these conditions?
Also, the new registrant pays again. Thats fine, but is there a transfer procedure?
Does the name become deleted, and then, the new owner simply re registers, or is it a 'true' transfer?
Thanks.

 

[chrisw]

I've never had the reason to try it, but can subdomains of the same primary reside on different servers?

 

[tunafabulous]

It would be a 'true transfer' that would be taken care of by the seller (me).

Are you interested?

 

[LogicalDomains]

I've never had the reason to try it, but can subdomains of the same primary reside on different servers?

Yes, absolutely. For example:
ping news.google.com > 64.233.161.99
ping www3.google.com > 216.239.57.104

 

[joezeppy]

Hi,

Just answering the couple of questions posted above regarding Centralnic domains...

********************* Question *********************
"can it be sold in whole or is it an agreement that is transferable to a future buyer for the purpose of leasing for a set term."
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Centralnic is happy to transfer a domain to a new registrant under the following conditions...

1. Verified approval by the existing registrant.
2. If the registrant for the domain name changes, the new registrant must re-register the name and pay the full registration fee. (This comes from the Centralnic terms and conditions and basically means that the new registrant must add a two-year registration period).

Our domains are similar to others in that they are transferable and there is a set term. I don't know if it would be called "leasing". It's simply a registration period.

********************* Question *********************
"Can I or anyone else buy/sell accountant.us.com ? I see it says under 'certain conditions' one can transfer ownership, but what are these conditions? Also, the new registrant pays again. Thats fine, but is there a transfer procedure? Does the name become deleted, and then, the new owner simply re registers, or is it a 'true' transfer?"
****************************************************

Just contact your reseller or registrar (whoever you bought the domain name from) to coordinate the existing registrant's validation, payment by the new registrant, and the actual transfer. For now, I would suggest that the existing registrant contact the reseller first to give authorization. Once that authorization has been validated, then have the new registrant contact the reseller for payment of the two year renewal. Then, all requirements will have been met and the full transfer can be effected.

Admittedly, we need to further develop our transfer procedure. We haven't dealt much with transfers in the past. We are cognizant of the need for a more uniform, simple, and automated method of effecting transfers and are working on that process. In the mean time, as long as the conditions above are met, we can help effect domain transfers. We expect more of them to occur over time.

Thanks,

J. A.