COLLAPSE OF the MOBI & IDN MARKETS -- the aftermath

[bwhhisc]

A stark contrast to the mobee and IDN pump and dumpers.

In the case of IDNs the "flippers" are few and far between. The market dried up about 2 years ago for the better names. There are very few "top tier" IDN names for sale here, and those have asking price of x,xxx and up.

In regards to IDN, follow the money...many public documents available. ICANN Budgets for 2009, 2010, jp registry, ccnic, ru registry, india registry etc. Hundreds of millions of dollars when you add it all up being spent between last year and next few years...

Will computer users that don't read or write English use native language IDN domains? Guess we will have to see. A lot of money being spent by native registries, and a 10 year "struggle" with a lot of politics behind the scenes to finally bring native language urls to mainstream use. But it is now certain idn.idn WILL happen in 2010 and beyond.

IDNs are an advertisers dream...imagine being about to put up a native language keyword on a billboard or TV ad that millions of eyes can actually read (and especially words they can easily remember in their own language). That would seem like a great part of any marketing and advertising strategy for an investment at reg fee of $ 7.50 a year. :lol:

There are Russian IDN.com getting over 1,000,000 visitors annually and making mid to high x,xxx from parking alone...maybe more.
(Don't take it from me...ask Ed from Namedrive for some basic highlights of traffic to idns...I can assure you it is anything but non-existant).

Russian IDN across the board are doing amazingly well on the huge publicity that started 18 months ago. Other languages are lagging behind, but should follow suit when idn.idn is implemented and the publicity hits the news. The news is what jumpstarted it for Russian idn.com, and it was a pretty amazing thing to see the traffic come flowing in. Yahoo, Yandex and Bing are treating IDN indexing nicely, Google will hopefully add unicode into their algorithm soon. Namedrive and SEDO are both investing in IDN parking and monetization, this is no doubt happening based on the growing stats I am sure.

IDNs are just another way to diversify your portfolio, some people have done very well so far with xx,xxx and even xxx,xxx sales. Reported IDN sales continue to climb in price and value. Most people are now holding and developing. .mobi is another story that will not play out for many more years it seems. On the otherhand, IDN.IDN is being "moved" to the launch pad as we speak, and from all accounts appear to be headed for a BIG lift off and happy ending for those that took the chance to grab a few good names.

 

[Fearless]

In the case of IDNs the "flippers" are few and far between. The market dried up about 2 years ago for the better names. There are very few "top tier" IDN names for sale here, and those have asking price of x,xxx and up.

In regards to IDN, follow the money...many public documents available. ICANN Budgets for 2009, 2010, jp registry, ccnic, ru registry, india registry etc. Hundreds of millions of dollars when you add it all up being spent between last year and next few years...

Will computer users that don't read or write English use native language IDN domains? Guess we will have to see. A lot of money being spent by native registries, and a 10 year "struggle" with a lot of politics behind the scenes to finally bring native language urls to mainstream use. But it is now certain idn.idn WILL happen in 2010 and beyond.

IDNs are an advertisers dream...imagine being about to put up a native language keyword on a billboard or TV ad that millions of eyes can actually read (and especially words they can easily remember in their own language). That would seem like a great part of any marketing and advertising strategy for an investment at reg fee of $ 7.50 a year. :lol:

There are Russian IDN.com getting over 1,000,000 visitors annually and making mid to high x,xxx from parking alone...maybe more.
(Don't take it from me...ask Ed from Namedrive for some basic highlights of traffic to idns...I can assure you it is anything but non-existant).

Russian IDN across the board are doing amazingly well on the huge publicity that started 18 months ago. Other languages are lagging behind, but should follow suit when idn.idn is implemented and the publicity hits the news. The news is what jumpstarted it for Russian idn.com, and it was a pretty amazing thing to see the traffic come flowing in. Yahoo, Yandex and Bing are treating IDN indexing nicely, Google will hopefully add unicode into their algorithm soon. Namedrive and SEDO are both investing in IDN parking and monetization, this is no doubt happening based on the growing stats I am sure.

IDNs are just another way to diversify your portfolio, some people have done very well so far with xx,xxx and even xxx,xxx sales. Reported IDN sales continue to climb in price and value. Most people are now holding and developing. .mobi is another story that will not play out for many more years it seems. On the otherhand, IDN.IDN is being "moved" to the launch pad as we speak, and from all accounts appear to be headed for a BIG lift off and happy ending for those that took the chance to grab a few good names.

I take back everything negative I've ever said about IDNs.

 

[DNWizardX9]

I take back everything negative I've ever said about IDNs.

Say it ain't so

 

[snicksnack]

I can see IDN.com or IDN.ccTLD working nicely. I have my doubts about IDN.IDN, but we will see what happens 2010.

 

[Fearless]

Say it ain't so

And I'm bullish on mobi. :yes:

 

[Sarcle]

I can see IDN.com or IDN.ccTLD working nicely. I have my doubts about IDN.IDN, but we will see what happens 2010.

Whether someone types-in IDN.com or IDN.IDN it still will be the same domain. You can even use "。" IDN。IDN and it'll still get you there.

Cheers.

 

[DNWizardX9]

And I'm bullish on mobi. :yes:

So you're leaving the future to jump on the .mobi titanic... good luck

 

[snicksnack]

Whether someone types-in IDN.com or IDN.IDN it still will be the same domain. You can even use "。" IDN。IDN and it'll still get you there.

Cheers.

so if .com / .net / .org there will be a translation into "each" language, right? and this .(COM-IDN) will then resolve to .COM ? If this is the case it will only increase the traffic on existing .COM domains, which is good. I assumed these where "new extensions", but if it is like you said, then it is free traffic.

 

[bwhhisc]

so if .com / .net / .org there will be a translation into "each" language, right? and this .(COM-IDN) will then resolve to .COM ? If this is the case it will only increase the traffic on existing .COM domains, which is good. I assumed these where "new extensions", but if it is like you said, then it is free traffic.

Chuck Gomes from Verisign has stated that you will be able to have both idn.com AND its equivalent idn.idn. Seems that you will be able to "activate" your .idn at time of your choosing...I am guessing they will want you to pay something for that privledge.

 

[acesfull]

Chuck Gomes from Verisign has stated that you will be able to have both idn.com AND its equivalent idn.idn. Seems that you will be able to "activate" your .idn at time of your choosing...I am guessing they will want you to pay something for that privledge.

My understanding is that if you own ANY .com (IDN.com or ASCII.com), you will be able to activate any-language equivalent of .com. The second level (before the dot) stays the exact same, but if you own a .com, you have the right to activate the .com in any or all language versions of .com.

In most cases, it would only make sense to activate the .com version of the language at the second level, but there may be other times where different language .coms will work - as in the case of numeric domains. As I've stated, this is only my understanding, from the documentation that I've seen so far (mainly statements attributed to Chuck Gomes).

 

[Gerry]

activate the .com in any or all language versions of .com.

Still, pretty confusing.

What are you referring to as "any or all language versions of .com"

If I own a (spanishIDN).com, I already own the .com.

There is really no other version of dot com other than dot com.

Are you implying the ccTLD as well?

For instance, a (spanishIDN).com, would that be a .mx, .es, .vz, and every other spanish speaking country?

I don't think so because each ccTLD is a seperate entity.

 

[acesfull]

Still, pretty confusing.

What are you referring to as "any or all language versions of .com"

If I own a (spanishIDN).com, I already own the .com.

There is really no other version of dot com other than dot com.

Are you implying the ccTLD as well?

For instance, a (spanishIDN).com, would that be a .mx, .es, .vz, and every other spanish speaking country?

I don't think so because each ccTLD is a seperate entity.

As I said, if my interpretation of what I read is correct, then if you own any .com, then you can control (activate) any version of the dot com. (Dot-com in any language is "dot-com").

So, if you have 12345.com, you would have the ASCII version of 12345.com, but could also activate 12345.KoreanDotCom, 12345.RussianDotCom, etc.

If you have a SPANISH.com, or any ASCII.com domain, it may not make sense to activate any other language-version of .com.

We are talking about gTLD only (like .com, and .net). The ccTLD is a different animal.

 

[Gerry]

Ok. If I take ccTLD out of the equation entirely that helps.

 

[Sarcle]

As I said, if my interpretation of what I read is correct, then if you own any .com, then you can control (activate) any version of the dot com. (Dot-com in any language is "dot-com").

So, if you have 12345.com, you would have the ASCII version of 12345.com, but could also activate 12345.KoreanDotCom, 12345.RussianDotCom, etc.

Your take on this is the same I've gathered from Verisign's announcement. I don't really see it being helpful for latin based domains in general. But for numbered domains such as your examples I can see it being really benefical, especially if the traffic is already coming from a non-latin based country.

 

[acesfull]

Your take on this is the same I've gathered from Verisign's announcement. I don't really see it being helpful for latin based domains in general. But for numbered domains such as your examples I can see it being really benefical, especially if the traffic is already coming from a non-latin based country.

...which (if I understand correctly) would likely make NNN.com and NNNN.com domains worth significantly more (transforming your "ASCII" numeric .coms into "real" IDNs, across an array of languages).

 

[snicksnack]

let's they they charge to each .(IDN) an activation fee, if you are not willing to pay this, will someone else be able to get it, evenso you own the .COM ?

 

[Sarcle]

will someone else be able to get it, evenso you own the .COM ?

Nope. It is reserved for the domain holder according to Verisign.

 

[acesfull]

Nope. It is reserved for the domain holder according to Verisign.

Sounds like it would be more like an additional configuration option that goes with your .com or .net domain, along with DNS, e-mail, URL Forwarding, etc.? (IDN-TLD Activation)

 

[snicksnack]

but for sure, knowing these blood suckers, it won't be free

 

[DNWizardX9]

It is ICANN what do you expect. They should make registrations affordable to people in every country including india etc. I am all for $1 - $2 regs