closed "computer".com in Simplified Chinese

[stuff]

Its only a matter off time when broser software developers will denie the use off IDN-s.

 

[Rubber Duck]

So, the world is consolidated for the most part on software (Microsoft). But for some reason the Internet will deconsolidate in favor of IDNs? Why not just use software to handle language difference on the fly?

Not sure what you mean. OK, it might be possible to do this but I haven't come across anyone who is even seriously talking about it. It will have taken nearly 10years to get IDN up and running and this sounds 100 times more complexed and any system would be starting virtually from scratch.

Still it would be interesting to see this talked through. I guess you would have to index each site against each language, browsers could use a whole library of dictionaries to translate into an English dot com. Translating out would of course require to know which language the browser was using. Then there would be a massive problems with dodgy translations and synonyms, but I don't suppose the phishers would pay any attention to such a system! Or did you have something simpler in mind?

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

Its only a matter off time when broser software developers will denie the use off IDN-s.

Please provide supporting evidence of this supposition. If you can, then you will obviously save me a lot of time and expense.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[joeny]

I thought this was a "Domain appraisal" thread

Not a member bashing thread , >?

Anyway , Let me start , Domain is worth $0.00

Sorry

Joe

 

[Rubber Duck]

I thought this was a "Domain appraisal" thread

Not a member bashing thread , >?

Anyway , Let me start , Domain is worth $0.00

Sorry

Joe

Does that come with some analysis?

 

[financialtraffic]

I thought this was a "Domain appraisal" thread

Not a member bashing thread , >?

Anyway , Let me start , Domain is worth $0.00

Sorry

Joe

I don't see bashing here. We are discussing the value. Due to the nature of IDNs, there is much more to discuss than black or white, $1,000 or $0.

Much of the value depends on the future. That is why there is more discussion rather than concrete values being tossed around.

 

[Rubber Duck]

I don't see bashing here. We are discussing the value. Due to the nature of IDNs, there is much more to discuss than black or white, $1,000 or $0.

Much of the value depends on the future. That is why there is more discussion rather than concrete values being tossed around.

I absolutely agree, I nonetheless apologise if I have been a little too robust with some of my responses. However, I don't intend to sit back and let anyone get away with talking absolute drivel on a subject I feel passionately about. Of course the freedom to destroy my arguments with better reasoned responses is always there.

I am sure that many here will agree that kicking a few of the arguments around is a useful excercise and clearly we are never all going to agree on all the issues. I do, however, think that such a forum should be a place for exchanging views, which are developed from some rational analysis. In this way we should all be more able to better focus our own investment stratagies.

I for one have at least learnt something from this discussion, as indeed one would hope that anyone with analytical mind would do so.

Like them or loath them IDN is one, if not the big issue of the moment. It is either the biggest opportunity since the original launch of domain names or the greatest red herring in history. You all know which side of the fence I am on, but everyone should be considering whether they should be getting involved or sitting on their hands. I think that we should all appreciate that nothing we say or do is going to greatly influence the outcome, one way or the other.

It is clear that some members fear IDN and would like to see them killed off. Frankly, that is utterly short sighted. The whole issue of IDN will be determined in the Far East, either through their adoption or their failure to catch on. The only choices we have are to attempt to exploit this apparently huge opportunity, or to have the sense to stand back and avoid getting burnt.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[Olney]

Hey guy,
I'm going to apologize after I did a bit of research on how the system is working.

The registrations aren't random it seems to have an assigning system.
It would be good though if there were a better way to buy the domains. I got a feeling that even though there are some 2 character domains I saw available some sites wouldn't let me register them.

I realized that those who don't accept changes in technology will be left in the dust.

I also sort of took it apon myself to register 2 Japanese dot comes that the keywords on overture get searched about 60,000 times a day each in Japan (hell you never know).

I absolutely agree, I nonetheless apologise if I have been a little too robust with some of my responses. However, I don't intend to sit back and let anyone get away with talking absolute drivel on a subject I feel passionately about. Of course the freedom to destroy my arguments with better reasoned responses is always there.

I am sure that many here will agree that kicking a few of the arguments around is a useful excercise and clearly we are never all going to agree on all the issues. I do, however, think that such a forum should be a place for exchanging views, which are developed from some rational analysis. In this way we should all be more able to better focus our own investment stratagies.

I for one have at least learnt something from this discussion, as indeed one would hope that anyone with analytical mind would do so.

Like them or loath them IDN is one, if not the big issue of the moment. It is either the biggest opportunity since the original launch of domain names or the greatest red herring in history. You all know which side of the fence I am on, but everyone should be considering whether they should be getting involved or sitting on their hands. I think that we should all appreciate that nothing we say or do is going to greatly influence the outcome, one way or the other.

It is clear that some members fear IDN and would like to see them killed off. Frankly, that is utterly short sighted. The whole issue of IDN will be determined in the Far East, either through their adoption or their failure to catch on. The only choices we have are to attempt to exploit this apparently huge opportunity, or to have the sense to stand back and avoid getting burnt.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[Rubber Duck]

Hey guy,
I'm going to apologize after I did a bit of research on how the system is working.

The registrations aren't random it seems to have an assigning system.
It would be good though if there were a better way to buy the domains. I got a feeling that even though there are some 2 character domains I saw available some sites wouldn't let me register them.

I realized that those who don't accept changes in technology will be left in the dust.

I also sort of took it apon myself to register 2 Japanese dot comes that the keywords on overture get searched about 60,000 times a day each in Japan (hell you never know).

No problems, I admire anyone who can take critisism on the chin.

Domains in Chinese Simplfied cannot be registered in Traditional or Japanese where they inherently map to each other.

Congrates on those domains. That kind of Overture is massive. Far bigger than anything I have achieved. Of course I assume it is the Japanese Characters you are inputting into Overture? If not give that a try!

Take them to Sedo.cn for parking and who knows you might start to get some revenue.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[Olney]

No problems, I admire anyone who can take critisism on the chin.

Domains in Chinese Simplfied cannot be registered in Traditional or Japanese where they inherently map to each other.

Congrates on those domains. That kind of Overture is massive. Far bigger than anything I have achieved. Of course I assume it is the Japanese Characters you are inputting into Overture? If not give that a try!

Take them to Sedo.cn for parking and who knows you might start to get some revenue.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

Actually I'm searching for them natively in Japanese. I just found another 4 character combo 2 keywords that gets searched 100,000 times a day according to overture.
And another one that gets searched 60,000 times a day.
I'm only buying these because of the potential value.

I'll buy a few related to my field next week.
Since I'm fluent in Japanese I though "why not"

I looked at sedo.cn but it's all in Chinese do they have an english menu for parking Multilingual names?

Is there any other services that's good to list & park these multilingual domains?

 

[Rubber Duck]

Actually I'm searching for them natively in Japanese. I just found another 4 character combo 2 keywords that gets searched 100,000 times a day according to overture.
And another one that gets searched 60,000 times a day.
I'm only buying these because of the potential value.

I'll buy a few related to my field next week.
Since I'm fluent in Japanese I though "why not"

I looked at sedo.cn but it's all in Chinese do they have an english menu for parking Multilingual names?

Is there any other services that's good to list & park these multilingual domains?

All you have to do is go to Google.Click on language tools. Type Sedo.cn in the URL and select Simplified Chinese to English.

You are obviously much better at this game than me. With Japanese we struggled to get translations and most things we wanted were gone. Most of our Japanese are single character Hirigana.

ク
く
っ
の
ブ
ぶ
ト

These seem to be the most popular. I have thinned them down but we still have about 130 domains altogether.

I also check domains against search terms in jword.jp, do the same with Chinese using 3721.com, if that is any help to you. Overture gives you a good idea what people are searching on, Jword gives you an idea of what search terms companies are paying for.

I think Sedo is the best, as most do not give local character translations, although Afternic does. Nobody is giving decent targeted advertising in Japanese and the use of Japanese Keywords to target advertising, but this will be available in a matter of months. The point is, if you wait until everybody is doing this, all the good stuff will be gone!

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[touchring]

The simplified version is very valuable in the long run (5-10 years?), but the traditional version is worthless - they dun call it computer in HK and Taiwan, but use the term electric brain.

 

[Rubber Duck]

No, but I don't have the simplified term. But I believe that the Traditional version gives me the rights over it!

 

[touchring]

Oh boy stuff. I can sense a massive tongue lashing coming from the IDN King, dwrixon.

Glad I didn't say those words .

There's no right or wrong, idns will take off in a few years after browsers widely support it (that will probably be 4-8 years from now). To most people, a 4-8 years wait is too long. Because they are not liquid - can't be sold for immediate profit, most generic idns are only worth registration value.

As compared to generic english .tw or .cn, i think chinese .com idns are worth way much more. Generic english .tw and .cn are more speculative than practical. Their values are defined by western speculators than actual usage in their native countries. How many people will actually type in computer.tw or computer.cn in a day, or even a year. It's all inflated.

 

[Rubber Duck]

There's no right or wrong, idns will take off in a few years after browsers widely support it (that will probably be 4-8 years from now). To most people, a 4-8 years wait is too long. Because they are not liquid - can't be sold for immediate profit, most generic idns are only worth registration value.

As compared to generic english .tw or .cn, i think chinese .com idns are worth way much more. Generic english .tw and .cn are more speculative than practical. Their values are defined by western speculators than actual usage in their native countries. How many people will actually type in computer.tw or computer.cn in a day, or even a year. It's all inflated.

Agree that IDN will take off, but I think you are wrong about the time scale. We have already managed to demonstrate that there is substantial IDN traffic in China, but there are problems relating to Firewalls and DNS tinkering. Google Adwords has also yet to make much impact in China. In Japan and Thailand usage is lower, but we are getting some traffic that can be converted in to revenue. In Japan Google click values, however, are much lower than Overture Bid rates on local character keywords, which can be as much as $5.00 per click

Browser support is already here, but not native on Internet Explorer that dominates the market. IE 7.0 which is due to go Beta 2 next month will support it, and full support including email will be included with Vista, which is due for release in July 2006. IE 7.0 will be installed through automatic update to those with XP service pack 2. With a resurgent Japanese Economy, I think you can expect large shipments on new computers with the release of Vista, which will substantially assist
adoption.

As 90% of keyword searches in both Japan and China are in the local language characters, I think companies will soon decide that local branding is essential in their domestic markets. Once one or two large corporates adopt IDN, I would expect things to move very rapidly. Getting left behind could prove a very expensive mistake for those in ecommerce. I would expect English Language domains to be almost redundant in the Far East in 3-4 years.

Converting traffic revenues is still difficult, but once the IDN domains are in more current use, there will be a battle to capture this market and service will improve dramatically. At the end of the day, everything is driven by potential earnings and these are very high.

Regarding use of English domains in local character extensions you have hit the nail on the head. This is at best deluded and at worst a Scam. The biggest Klondyke is going on in India. By the time dot IN is adopted instead of .co.in, most domains will be in Davengari, Bangla, Arabic and Tamil characters.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[elitedomains]

"I just found another 4 character combo 2 keywords that gets searched 100,000 times a day according to overture. I'm only buying these because of the potential value."

"Congrates on those domains. That kind of Overture is massive. Far bigger than anything I have achieved."

LOL- Looks like you made both a "convert" and a "competitor" at the same time there Dave

 

[Rubber Duck]

"I just found another 4 character combo 2 keywords that gets searched 100,000 times a day according to overture. I'm only buying these because of the potential value."

"Congrates on those domains. That kind of Overture is massive. Far bigger than anything I have achieved."

LOL- Looks like you made both a "convert" and a "competitor" at the same time there Dave

Glad to hear things are going OK! Competition is not a problem as it will drive up prices and we already have an impressive portfolio. Still working on it though, getting rid of dross and picking up interesting stuff here and there.

If you having any questions or need information resources, PM me. The only things I won't tell you is what I am going to register next or how to access my portfolio! There are forums that specialise in IDN, so there is quite a bit of shared information and the moment people seem to be quite supportive of one another, as few of us have most of the pieces of the jig-saw.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[touchring]

Agree that IDN will take off, but I think you are wrong about the time scale. We have already managed to demonstrate that there is substantial IDN traffic in China, but there are problems relating to Firewalls and DNS tinkering. Google Adwords has also yet to make much impact in China. In Japan and Thailand usage is lower, but we are getting some traffic that can be converted in to revenue. In Japan Google click values, however, are much lower than Overture Bid rates on local character keywords, which can be as much as $5.00 per click

Browser support is already here, but not native on Internet Explorer that dominates the market. IE 7.0 which is due to go Beta 2 next month will support it, and full support including email will be included with Vista, which is due for release in July 2006. IE 7.0 will be installed through automatic update to those with XP service pack 2. With a resurgent Japanese Economy, I think you can expect large shipments on new computers with the release of Vista, which will substantially assist
adoption.

As 90% of keyword searches in both Japan and China are in the local language characters, I think companies will soon decide that local branding is essential in their domestic markets. Once one or two large corporates adopt IDN, I would expect things to move very rapidly. Getting left behind could prove a very expensive mistake for those in ecommerce. I would expect English Language domains to be almost redundant in the Far East in 3-4 years.

Converting traffic revenues is still difficult, but once the IDN domains are in more current use, there will be a battle to capture this market and service will improve dramatically. At the end of the day, everything is driven by potential earnings and these are very high.

Regarding use of English domains in local character extensions you have hit the nail on the head. This is at best deluded and at worst a Scam. The biggest Klondyke is going on in India. By the time dot IN is adopted instead of .co.in, most domains will be in Davengari, Bangla, Arabic and Tamil characters.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

Well, when it will take off is still subjective. Most of us here are not the first to get involved in IDNs, there is a big group of people stuck with idns since 2000/2001.

 

[Sarcle]

there is a big group of people stuck with idns since 2000/2001.

Yeah, and that should tell you at least something. That either they are the biggest fools in the internet world or they have a serious inkling that something big will hit relativly soon. Or both I guess :-D

 

[seeker]

Dave, I know you are very stubborn about your IDNs, so I wont bother with placing my POV.
I wish you luck, however I believe it will take a lot more than luck to get anything out of IDNs.
by the time IDNs become popular and accepted, the net will be very different, and I seriously doubt the actual characters before the 'dot' will really mater.

 

[Rubber Duck]

Dave, I know you are very stubborn about your IDNs, so I wont bother with placing my POV.
I wish you luck, however I believe it will take a lot more than luck to get anything out of IDNs.
by the time IDNs become popular and accepted, the net will be very different, and I seriously doubt the actual characters before the 'dot' will really mater.

Well I have agreed a sale today for mid $xxx for a single domain.

We have a very active Forum going on IDN that actually has more meaningful discussion than is going on here.

This will be up and running in about 12 months. Its actually getting very hard to book good IDN in China or Japan.

We all make are choices in life. You will have to live with your just as I live with mine!

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon