devolution stolen domains thread

Originally posted by safesys
What kind of domainer would "rely" on a thread explaing how to *use* inaccurate email addresses to steal premium domains?

Me. I wasn't aware of that before, and now I am. I consider that valuable information.

It's a bad idea to use your personal criteria for what consitutes value and apply it to others. That's patronizing, and, at least to me, very distasteful.

Miles

 

Originally posted by RealNames


Sorry safesys, I don't believe your assertion is correct. There is a big difference between the Moderators or Owner simply letting a posting stay online vs deleting it and then reversing themselves and reinstating it.

By reinstating a post after its deletion and a major controversy has already taken place it more or less condones or blesses the publication of the information in the old post, at least indirectly.

However, by a member making a post it in no way condones or approves the post in any way by the forum moderators, who are not legally obligated to read and approve all the posts.

I am interested in any legal cases that uphold the notion that a publisher is not liable for the content posted by third parties. There have been cases involving forum sites to the contrary, the friendreunited and demon cases being 2 that I know of where the site owners were held liable.

This is a moderated site and people complained about the content before it was removed, there is no way a plea of ignorance would hold water.

 

[David G]

Originally posted by safesys - What kind of domainer would "rely" on a thread explaing how to *use* inaccurate email addresses to steal premium domains?

Originally posted by Namethink Me. I wasn't aware of that before, and now I am. I consider that valuable information. It's a bad idea to use your personal criteria for what consitutes value and apply it to others. That's patronizing, and, at least to me, very distasteful. Miles

Agree Miles, I also was not aware of this tidbit of information revealed in safesys's post above. To me it is also very valuable knowledge we could use to protect our domains.

Yes, it's quite arbitrary and distasteful to assume something is of no value to everyone else.

Both Namethink and I are very experienced domainers yet neither one of us knew about inaccurate email addresses being used to steal domains, so why is that not valuable to us?

 

Originally posted by Namethink


Me. I wasn't aware of that before, and now I am. I consider that valuable information.

It's a bad idea to use your personal criteria for what consitutes value and apply it to others. That's patronizing, and, at least to me, very distasteful.

Miles

Isn't that exactly what you're doing too?

 

[David G]

Originally posted by safesys I am interested in any legal cases that uphold the notion that a publisher is not liable for the content posted by third parties. There have been cases involving forum sites to the contrary, the friendreunited and demon cases being 2 that I know of where the site owners were held liable. This is a moderated site and people complained about the content before it was removed, there is no way a plea of ignorance would hold water.

The difference is by letting the post stand dnforum.com is not suggesting or condoning to anyone they go out and steal domains. How could they be liable if someone does this?

If a movie reveals how to rob a Las Vegas Casino why is the film company liable if someone does that. If a newspaper reports about a popular scam and how it is done, are they legally liable - of course not. If media shows how auto dealers turn back odometers are they liable if someone does it - don't be ridiculous!

P.S. Without checking, I am sure the 2 cases mentioned were litigated due to other substantial reasons than the mere posting of info by others. For example, if the owner knows the info is false or made-up or is a deformation of character they could be held liable, not the case we are talking about in any way.

 

Originally posted by safesys


Isn't that exactly what you're doing too?

Whoa there! How can you compare censoring information to publishing it?

In the latter case, where information is made public, the viewer has the choice of using it or not using it, and even has the choice of ignoring it all together.

In the former case, that of censoring information (which is what you and Dan have done), there is no choice given to others about what to do with the information: the choice has been made for them.

I find your comparison between these two vastly different approaches baffling.

Miles

 

With respect to both Realnames and Miles, this could run and run and isn't getting anywhere. I've explained my reasoning as fully as I can, the fact you don't agree is regrettable but it has been upheld by the site owner who has the ultimate say in this matter.

 

Originally posted by safesys
With respect to both Realnames and Miles, this could run and run and isn't getting anywhere. I've explained my reasoning as fully as I can, the fact you don't agree is regrettable but it has been upheld by the site owner who has the ultimate say in this matter.

Okay, but I still think it's a shame. I stand by my objections as noted in this thread.

Miles

 

[buddy]

I respect your decision Safesys, and I know that you did what you thought was the best for this forum. But with all due respect I think you being from the UK, and most of us expressing our concern over this matter are from the US, matters in this case. 1st Amendment/Freedom of Speech is upheld dearly here. Anyone trying to infringe with that will have to pay a visit to the Supreme Court. Freedom of Speech is one of the most fundamental pillars upholding this society. If that is neclected or taken away, you will remove a huge chunk of what we call democracy.

I also agree with what has being said before. Since you took the liberty of removing the thread before consulting with Dan, makes it harder for the admin to go against a moderator's decision. Also, why has not Dan spoken out about this?

Thanks!!

 

[Brujah]

You guys realize the post wasn't really explaining how a domain gets stolen, but a method to scan thousands of names and how to choose the ones to steal ? It was more of a how-to, than a how-to avoid.

 

[WilliamC]

Originally posted by kvinsencius
I respect your decision Safesys, and I know that you did what you thought was the best for this forum. But with all due respect I think you being from the UK, and most of us expressing our concern over this matter are from the US, matters in this case. 1st Amendment/Freedom of Speech is upheld dearly here. Anyone trying to infringe with that will have to pay a visit to the Supreme Court. Freedom of Speech is one of the most fundamental pillars upholding this society. If that is neclected or taken away, you will remove a huge chunk of what we call democracy.

I also agree with what has being said before. Since you took the liberty of removing the thread before consulting with Dan, makes it harder for the admin to go against a moderator's decision. Also, why has not Dan spoken out about this?

Thanks!!

I am a US citizen, born and raised. I would still have yanked the post if it were up to me due to the context of it. this is also a privately owned message board, and it is fully within their rights to do as they see as the best thing, regardless of where they live.

Also, at least one of the legal decisions against message boards he spoke of was here in the USA. I know of several cases where people brought an IRC network to court here in the states and won due to allowing certain types of channels on it just because they did have a policy of moderation and did not get rid of the channels.

And a number of those who have supported their decision, like myself, are american. I seem to see many more supporting them than crying "censorship"

 

You may well be right kvinsencius about the freedom of speech aspect as to me that is secondary to preventing criminal activity.

I'd have no personal problem with it if my decision were overturned.

 

[buddy]

I am a US citizen, born and raised. I would still have yanked the post if it were up to me due to the context of it. this is also a privately owned message board, and it is fully within their rights to do as they see as the best thing, regardless of where they live.

I can understand that it was a really tough decision for the admin, Dan, as well as the moderator, Safesys. Like you said it is a private board, so whatever Dan decides we will have to go with that. And there is nothing to do about that, but since it is a public forum you have to expect that people will express their opinions in the matter. Hopefully we won't see many of these types of threads in the future