IDN's dropping like flies

[memmst]

Loved the end slide, with the erroneous Greek text :-D

IDN cowboys, gotta love 'em.

Thanks for spotting Acro, i'm a better idner than video editor.
Correct file now uploaded to Youtube.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xX35PfANjb4 opcorn:

 

[Theo]

You missed the point :-D
The misconception that keywords in English behave the same way in other languages, is evident. E.g. nudity and nude are not the same words - also nouns are gender-specific. A lot of non-English languages are like this. You can't just open an English to Whathaveyou dictionary and start registering IDN domains.

 

[memmst]

You missed the point :-D
The misconception that keywords in English behave the same way in other languages, is evident. E.g. nudity and nude are not the same words - also nouns are gender-specific. A lot of non-English languages are like this. You can't just open an English to Whathaveyou dictionary and start registering IDN domains.

I don't believe anyone ever said or thought otherwise, sure you must be carful when registering domains that consist of languages unknown to you
But the point is actually that even though all these above described difficulties exists , the relative risk is well worth it , add to the fact that some languages have more reliable tools then others and in addition i myself and others i spoke to used local people..non domainers to translate for us.

Again, yes you will make mistakes...call it a margin of error...but for 1% of errors completely give up on what makes so much sense?

now don't get me wrong..the fact you or anyone else choose not to invest in idn domains (this surely will change imo) is perfectly fine..i am thankful many chose each for they're own reasons not to invest in them or i wouldn't have the opportunity to get what i did.

Did i do the right thing? i have no freaking idea and i love blondes mostly, not domains...but at this point and time it sure looks good.

BTW, cant explain why but a couple of "bad/wrong" idn's i got are getting more traffic then some verified generic terms..go figure...


P.S But don't you also have to be carful when registering mygrandmaisnotaround. biz?

 

[Olney]

Maybe you have the wrong idea Acro
Personally I look for terms in Japanese that I know. I have plenty of domains that are the biggest keywords in Career, Loan, Adult & travel that are important for those markets but the English translations sounds off.

Then there are terms that you just can't contest.

In Japanese I own
アニメ.com (Anime)
ダイヤモンド.jp (Diamond)
セール.com (Sale)
アダルトビデオ.com (Adult videos)
ジン.com (Gin)
プラチナ.jp (Platinum)
ホテル検索.jp (Hotel Search)
カナダ.jp (Canada)

Most of my portfolio follows this kind of quality generics.

Truth is many of us speak the language we invest in. There are terms in every language that may not have the best translation in English but you assume that IDN investors (That can't speak the language) don't get their translations checked.

It's also as simple as actually checking meta data of large company web sites for those who might not be too confident with a language.
A company will always put the best terms for it's market in it's meta keywords.

This whole thread is like a huge stereotype. I saw a post on NP with you Acro from January 2005 hating IDNs.

What happens 5 years from now when absolutely all good short, generic, ASCII dot coms are gone? This is a huge reality that many see. Technology advances.

You missed the point :-D
The misconception that keywords in English behave the same way in other languages, is evident. E.g. nudity and nude are not the same words - also nouns are gender-specific. A lot of non-English languages are like this. You can't just open an English to Whathaveyou dictionary and start registering IDN domains.

 

[TurNIC.com]

idns are the biggest joke around. PERIOD.

 

[Olney]

It's like pushing a rope...

 

[touchring]

You missed the point :-D
The misconception that keywords in English behave the same way in other languages, is evident. E.g. nudity and nude are not the same words - also nouns are gender-specific. A lot of non-English languages are like this. You can't just open an English to Whathaveyou dictionary and start registering IDN domains.

Yes, there are people that just used the dictionary while others research OVT, Google Trends, a lot of statistical tools that ASCII domainers do not even use. When DCG took 5000 idns in march, i doubt he used anything other than a multi-translator.

This whole thread is like a huge stereotype. I saw a post on NP with you Acro from January 2005 hating IDNs.

Wow, 2005 Jan, you could have made yourself rich! $2000-$3000 a mth PPC (pre-IE7) can easily be attainable had you started working on the latins at that time.

I really envy people that knew IDNs that early.

 

[flybuzz]

both IDNs and Mobi are predictions of how the future's market might turn out to be. No one knows for sure until it arrives. There is no reason to be rude on what one believes in.

 

[Theo]

idns are the biggest joke around. PERIOD.

Possibly the first time that TurNIC and I agreed on something :-D

 

[touchring]

both IDNs and Mobi are predictions of how the future's market might turn out to be. No one knows for sure until it arrives. There is no reason to be rude on what one believes in.

You can't compare IDNs with .Mobi when most of the IDNs people invest in are .com (present, not future). This is a very basic difference that even domain experts forget.

 

[wrdekle]

idns are the biggest joke around. PERIOD.

Why is it that all the folks who are down on IDNs can't provide a single fact to support their posts? Is it just that such people are intellectually lazy or incapable? I'd hope not. I prefer to think it is just frustration or maybe just a desire to stir up controversy. Sometimes, I suspect it's good old pump-and-dump type market manipulation (or in this case more "dump and acquire").

In TurNIC's case it is a waste of a god-given talent for reading and speaking Turkish. I hear people are starting to get traffic on turkish IDNs. Too bad...

 

[touchring]

Why is it that all the folks who are down on IDNs can't provide a single fact to support their posts? Is it just that such people are intellectually lazy or incapable? I'd hope not. I prefer to think it is just frustration or maybe just a desire to stir up controversy. Sometimes, I suspect it's good old pump-and-dump type market manipulation (or in this case more "dump and acquire").

In TurNIC's case it is a waste of a god-given talent for reading and speaking Turkish. I hear people are starting to get traffic on turkish IDNs. Too bad...

Dump and acquire will work for trafficless tlds. Not going to work for idns.

 

[Rubber Duck]

idns are the biggest joke around. PERIOD.

No. You and Acroplex get the prize for that.

I guess Acroplex has a vast stockpile of transliterated Greek domains that are effectively worthless. What is your excuse?

You missed the point :-D
The misconception that keywords in English behave the same way in other languages, is evident. E.g. nudity and nude are not the same words - also nouns are gender-specific. A lot of non-English languages are like this. You can't just open an English to Whathaveyou dictionary and start registering IDN domains.

Why not? If they are all total crap as you insist then it wouldn't matter what you registered would it? The fact the you are differentiating in this way, means that, at least to yourself, you are admitting that relevant ones have real value.

I do, however, agree with you that the straight dictionary approach is not wise. I have to admit that I did this in some languages before Google was indexing Unicode, so we couldn't even get a Google Scores. Predictably about a third of the terms we registered were utter rubbish. Of course we have the tools to work out which is which now, unfortunately the terms that we were actually after have long since gone. We just have to be grateful that we have the two-thirds that proved to be good.

both IDNs and Mobi are predictions of how the future's market might turn out to be. No one knows for sure until it arrives. There is no reason to be rude on what one believes in.

I think there is a clear distinction. IDN serve a purpose which cannot be delivered in another way. Dot Mobi does not appear to serve any function that cannot be delivered in at least half a dozen different ways, most of which have more appeal.

 

[MobileDesigner]

I think there is a clear distinction. IDN serve a purpose which cannot be delivered in another way. Dot Mobi does not appear to serve any function that cannot be delivered in at least half a dozen different ways, most of which have more appeal.

On this side of the planet, they are doing pretty well, now. Yes, there are some obstacles, but Ruby developers are hurdling over them quicker that you can say, "DotMo....".

Whoever is not regging .mobis, thank you very much!

:typing:

 

[lyndonmaxewell]

From the thread title,

IDN's dropping like flies

ASCII dot coms (or whatever tlds) are also dropping like flies, every day, every sec. PERIOD.

 

[alex_d]

Well F**k me - what a thread.

I missed a movie on tv tonight as I couldnt stop reading.

This was like that mobi one a while back.

Now I can go and see what else is on the tv.

Alex

 

[Theo]

Despite the fact that 250 of my posts were mysteriously gone overnight, I tend to contribute to DNF's lively conversations :-D otherwise you fellas would be bored, counting your alphabets.

 

[yanni]

idns are the biggest joke around. PERIOD.

Actually, Turkish IDNs enjoy very respectable traffic.

Wanna buy some?


BTW, your Ottoman Empire link goes nowhere, just like the Ottoman Empire did.

 

[bwhhisc]

I tend to contribute to DNF's lively conversations :-D otherwise you fellas would be bored, counting your alphabets.

Do you really speak Greek? Or ever been to another country where you did not speak the language?

Hard to believe anyone who has lived, worked, or visited a country where they had no foreign language skills can't easily grasp the fact that people that do not speak English will certainly want to have "domains" in their own native language.

So anyone...please explain why people that CAN'T read or write English would rather have URLS in "English" that in a language they understand and can read?

 

[Theo]

Do you really speak Greek? Or ever been to another country where you did not speak the language?

Hard to believe anyone who has lived, worked, or visited a country where they had no foreign language skills can't easily grasp the fact that people that do not speak English will certainly want to have "domains" in their own native language.

So anyone...please explain why people that CAN'T read or write English would rather have URLS in "English" that in a language they understand and can read?

Do I really speak Greek? Yes, I do. Do I care what you think? No, I don't.

People will use gestures if necessary. Spoken language and typing behavior, especially in a technology-driven world are two distinct things. Just because more than 1/3 of the world speaks a Chinese dialect does not mean the same - or even remotely close - percentage use the Internet in their native language. I am not talking about content; I'm referring to the way the URL is typed in.

Therefore, I didn't say people don't; I said people's choice is the natural language of the Internet: English.